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The woes of Bengalis and Burmese of Karachi

Irony coming from a Pakistani.
Whats your problem with my comments, those folks should not be in Pak let alone be breeding in Pak, if they want to apply asylum the legal way, then we will look at their applications through the eyes of the Pakistani law however if somebody is illegal then they have no right to be here.
 
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Whats your problem with my comments, those folks should not be in Pak let alone be breeding in Pak, if they want to apply asylum the legal way, then we will look at their applications through the eyes of the Pakistani law however if somebody is illegal then they have no right to be here.

Pakistan has the highest population growth rate in
S Asia, with BD being one of the lowest.
Pakistan is projected to surpass 300 million by 2050.:o:
Worry about your problems as BD can take care
of itself.

PS- When you compensate BD for the unjust
fiscal transfers and damage during 1971 war,
then BD will be happy to take a look at the
illegal BD'shi issue.
 
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Pakistan has the highest population growth rate in
S Asia,
Somehow I doubt it, never the less it is not like Punjabis, Sindhis and Pashtuns are breeding in your damn lands:lol:

When you compensate BD for the unjust
fiscal transfers
Hahaha, where is your gratitude for all the high class wheat we sent you folks

damage during 1971 war
It was your Mukhti Bani aided and abetted by India which committed the brunt of the atrocities PERIOD.
 
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Err the Pakistani Bengalis who stayed loyal to Pakistanis don't have any issues with citizenship etc. There was a family across the street from us and we were very close to them, no racism, no problems with getting I.Ds etc either.

The only "Bengalis" who have problems are the illegal economic migrants. The illegals should definitely be sent back to Bangaldesh. We have enough problems as it is with population explosion of Afghanistanis, don't really need groups of illegal Bangladeshis breeding here as well.
 
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Somehow I doubt it, never the less it is not like Punjabis, Sindhis and Pashtuns are breeding in your damn lands:lol:

Google is your friend.



It was your Mukhti Bani aided and abetted by India which committed the brunt of the atrocities PERIOD.


If only you had accepted Mujib as your leader, then things would have been so much better for both BD and Pakistan.
Yes, the split would have happened anyway but it would have been peaceful and both countries would now be more stable and prosperous
 
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If only you had accepted Mujib as your leader, then things would have been so much better for both BD and Pakistan.
Yes, the split would have happened anyway but it would have been peaceful and both countries would now be more stable and prosperous
We should never have been one in the first place, incredibly absurd idea, thankfully no more, I am sure the feeling is mutual from your end, lets leave it at that.
 
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Pakistan has the highest population growth rate in
S Asia, with BD being one of the lowest.
Pakistan is projected to surpass 300 million by 2050.:o:
Worry about your problems as BD can take care
of itself.

PS- When you compensate BD for the unjust
fiscal transfers and damage during 1971 war,
then BD will be happy to take a look at the
illegal BD'shi issue.


There is no rationale for comparing Pakistan with Bangladesh.

Bangladesh has an area of 51,703 sq. mi. and a population density of over 1,250 people per sq. km. (Source) which is one of the highest in the world. Pakistan in comparison has more land (340,509 sq. mi.) and resources. Our population density is only 250 people per sq. km. which is lesser than India's 445 people per sq. km. (Source). If anything, Pakistan needs a much larger population if we are to develop rapidly. We certainly have the land to house them and the resources to feed them.

And when it comes to projected population growth by 2050, Bangladesh is in the top ten along with Pakistan and India (Source).

Now that we have discussed this matter, can we stick to the topic?
 
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We should never have been one in the first place, incredibly absurd idea, thankfully no more, I am sure the feeling is mutual from your end, lets leave it at that.
While you are entitled to your opinion, this is exactly what Indians want.

And exactly what Pakistani intelligentsia and academicians DON'T want, as observed on Pakistani satellite channels. ☺

So - who should we Bangladeshis believe?

There is no rationale for comparing Pakistan with Bangladesh.

Bangladesh has an area of 51,703 sq. mi. and a population density of over 1,250 people per sq. km. (Source) which is one of the highest in the world. Pakistan in comparison has more land (340,509 sq. mi.) and resources. Our population density is only 250 people per sq. km. which is lesser than India's 445 people per sq. km. (Source). If anything, Pakistan needs a much larger population if we are to develop rapidly. We certainly have the land to house them and the resources to feed them.

And when it comes to projected population growth by 2050, Bangladesh is in the top ten along with Pakistan and India (Source).

Now that we have discussed this matter, can we stick to the topic?

Let's open a separate thread to discuss- as land is not simply land, it has to SUSTAIN agriculture and therefore human habitation.

Per capita GDP for Pakistan and Bangladesh is about the same now, but human development in Bangladesh is ahead of India in most important categories (Education, maternal health) and also of course ahead of Pakistan.

Please look at UNESCO statistics.
 
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So - who should we Bangladeshis believe?


Trust the Sangh. What could possibly go wrong? :partay: :partay:


land is not simply land


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A Pakistani patriot!
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You can facepalm all you want- but land must be USABLE i.e. ARABLE LAND. What good is land that is fallow? Saudi has Rab Al Khali. What good does that do them? If land is not productive agriculturally or even as pastoral land, then how does it sustain a population??

Ratio of Arable land in Bangladesh is much higher compared to Pakistan or North India - I believe somewhere around 76% of all land available. This is fertile, productive soil. The amount of crops grown on it is unmatched by any region in Pakistan or North India.

Pakistan and North India has fertile areas too- but crops grown are different and smaller in scale compared to Bangladesh.
 
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You can facepalm all you want- but land must be USABLE i.e. ARABLE LAND. What good is land that is fallow? Saudi has Rab Al Khali. What good does that do them? If land is not productive agriculturally or even as pastoral land, then how does it sustain a population??

Ratio of Arable land in Bangladesh is much higher compared to Pakistan or North India - I believe somewhere around 76% of all land available. This is fertile, productive soil. The amount of crops grown on it is unmatched by any region in Pakistan or North India.

Pakistan and North India has fertile areas too- but crops grown are different and smaller in scale compared to Bangladesh.


The problem with your argument is that you can't do something on what you don't have. The fact that Pakistan has additional land and resources implies we have the option to do things with it. For example, we can build a wind or solar farm. You don't need the entire country to be arable.


Per capita GDP for Pakistan and Bangladesh is about the same now, but human development in Bangladesh is ahead of India in most important categories (Education, maternal health) and also of course ahead of Pakistan.

Please look at UNESCO statistics.


Irrelevant.

These are arbitrary indicators. And they are available for all countries. You may as well compare Bangladesh with Myanmar. They have a similar GDP "per capita" to yours and they are right next to you. There is also Ghana, if you have the time.
 
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The problem with your argument is that you can't do something on what you don't have. The fact that Pakistan has additional land and resources implies we have the option to do things with it. For example, we can build a wind or solar farm. You don't need the entire country to be arable.

Well you do have a point. But ultimately land and resources have to be consumed by the population. You may have enough land and resources now, but eventually the trend cannot be heading toward positive ends.

Bangladesh population is increasing at 14% while Pakistan's is increasing at 34% or so (as of 2012). I hope this is going to come down, this cannot be a great thing for a 'Naya Pakistan'.

Pakistan's estimated population as of January 1, 2017 was 194.9 million people,[1] making it the world's sixth-most-populous country, behind Brazil and ahead of Nigeria. During 1950–2011, Pakistan's urban population expanded over sevenfold, while the total population increased by over fourfold. In the past, the country's population had a relatively high growth rate that has been changed by moderate birth rates. As of 2016, the population growth rate stood at 2.10%.[1] Initial estimates of the 2017 Census in Pakistan put the population at 210–220 million.[3]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Pakistan

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Pakistan's total fertility rate (TFR --- the number of live births the average woman has in her lifetime) is reported by the UN to be 3.2. This is well above India's rate of 2.6 and far above the Bangladesh rate of 2.2 (which is only barely above the generally accepted replacement rate of 2.1). Pakistan's fertility rate is the highest of any of the largest countries and one of the highest in the world outside sub-Saharan Africa.

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Average household size is very high, at 6.8. This is a slight decline from the rate of 6.9 in 1998. By comparison, more developed countries, such as in Europe and North America, tend to have average household sizes of from 2.2 to 2.6.

At the same time, Karachi is densifying in an unusual way: it is increasing its average household size. While the average household size is dropping modestly in the nation as a whole, Karachi's average household size rose from 6.7 to 7.3 between 1998 and 2011, meaning that nearly 10 percent of any recent density increase is within housing units (it is not known whether this is due to higher local fertility rates or "doubling up" of family units in housing units).

As the largest metropolitan area of one of the world's largest nations, Karachi draws residents from the rest of the nation (and outside) to take advantage of its economic opportunities. Pakistan is not a rich country, with a gross domestic product (purchasing power parity) of less than $3,000 per capita in 2011. This compares generally to rates of $30,000 to $40,000 in the larger European Union economies, $40,000 to $50,000 in Australia, Canada, United States and Hong Kong and $60,000 in Singapore. However, incomes are higher in Karachi than in the rest of the country.

Hyderabad

Hyderabad (Pakistan, not India) is the second largest metropolitan region in the province of Sindh. Hyderabad's claim to fame is that it is growing even faster than Karachi. Between 1998 and 2011, Hyderabad grew from 1.4 million to 3.4 million, or 129 percent.

Other Areas

So far, the reported census results are limited to the provincial data and local data in the province of Sindh. However, in view of the strong growth rates around the nation, it seems likely that the count in the nation's second largest urban area, Lahore, will surpass 10 million.

Urban Growth in Pakistan

Finally, any review of suburban and exurban land use on Google Earth suggests that Pakistan is taking the advice of the United Nations in its State of the World Population Report 2007: Unleashing the Potential of Urban Growth, which said (Note 2):

(a) expanding their city limits; (b) planning for road grids in the areas of expansion; (c) locating
the required 25- to 30-metre-wide right-of-way for the infrastructure grid on the ground




Radiating both from Karachi and Hyderabad, there are new grids of streets for housing and other development of a type that will allow the burgeoning cities of Pakistan to grow and perhaps even breathe at the same time.

Wendell Cox is a Visiting Professor, Conservatoire National des Arts et Metiers, Paris and the author of “War on the Dream: How Anti-Sprawl Policy Threatens the Quality of Life.”

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http://www.newgeography.com/content/002940-pakistan-where-population-bomb-exploding

Irrelevant.

These are arbitrary indicators. And they are available for all countries. You may as well compare Bangladesh with Myanmar. They have a similar GDP "per capita" to yours and they are right next to you. There is also Ghana, if you have the time.

Except the UN considers all the data seen in the previous article 'alarming'. Most of the Muslim population in the rest of the world do not want to see Pakistan headed down this slippery slope either.
 
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Per capita GDP for Pakistan and Bangladesh is about the same now, but human development in Bangladesh is ahead of India in most important categories (Education)

Really ? You're far worse than us on education index. :lol: Stop lying through your teeth, liar !!!
 
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Bangladesh population is increasing at 14% while Pakistan's is increasing at 34% or so (as of 2012). I hope this is going to come down, this cannot be a great thing for a 'Naya Pakistan'.


Irrelevant.

We just discussed that Pakistan is a much larger country with more resources at its disposal and we need human capital if we are to develop. As cost of living rises and people become more educated, the population growth will level off. This is an established pattern.


Pakistan's total fertility rate (TFR --- the number of live births the average woman has in her lifetime) is reported by the UN to be 3.2. This is well above India's rate of 2.6 and far above the Bangladesh rate of 2.2 (which is only barely above the generally accepted replacement rate of 2.1). Pakistan's fertility rate is the highest of any of the largest countries and one of the highest in the world outside sub-Saharan Africa.


I like those numbers. The world needs good strong Pakistanis.


At the same time, Karachi is densifying in an unusual way: it is increasing its average household size. While the average household size is dropping modestly in the nation as a whole, Karachi's average household size rose from 6.7 to 7.3 between 1998 and 2011, meaning that nearly 10 percent of any recent density increase is within housing units (it is not known whether this is due to higher local fertility rates or "doubling up" of family units in housing units).


Karachi is dense though not nearly as dense as Dhaka.

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Karachi's density is down to the fact that there aren't too many competing cities. For example, Punjab and KPK have more equatable population clusters so it keeps population density in check. Things will change as Gwadar starts to take shape. Ideally, Gwadar will start a chain reaction leading more people to move to Balochistan but this is long and slow process.


Urban Growth in Pakistan

Finally, any review of suburban and exurban land use on Google Earth suggests that Pakistan is taking the advice of the United Nations in its State of the World Population Report 2007: Unleashing the Potential of Urban Growth, which said (Note 2):

(a) expanding their city limits; (b) planning for road grids in the areas of expansion; (c) locating
the required 25- to 30-metre-wide right-of-way for the infrastructure grid on the ground


Radiating both from Karachi and Hyderabad, there are new grids of streets for housing and other development of a type that will allow the burgeoning cities of Pakistan to grow and perhaps even breathe at the same time.

Wendell Cox is a Visiting Professor, Conservatoire National des Arts et Metiers, Paris and the author of “War on the Dream: How Anti-Sprawl Policy Threatens the Quality of Life.”


Urban sprawl becomes an issue when the cities lack density. That's not the case with Karachi. You have no clue of what you're talking about. It would be nice if you knew something about urban development.


Except the UN considers all the data seen in the previous article 'alarming'.


Bilal, what you have cobbled up is fairly mild stuff. I don't see anything 'alarming' here. The sky is not falling.


Most of the Muslim population in the rest of the world do not want to see Pakistan headed down this slippery slope either


I suppose you met "Most of the Muslim population in the rest of the world" who gave this important message to pass on to me because... or you're just a bored kid. Please find someone else to play with. :partay:
 
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