The Weird Truth About Arabic Numerals

[khansaheeb]

Nonsense.

Algebra itself comes from Arabic words Al Jabr.

Whoever says otherwise is an idiot and does not know history.

Same with alcohol which is an Arabic word.

Its no hidden secret that Kafirs try to use information propaganda to weaken the recognition of achievements done by Islamic civilization.

Another point I would like to make is that well what are the presenter's credentials in the video.

What are his intellectual credentials? Is he a scholar? Is he a historian? He is just some guy ranting on YouTube which anyone can do.

If you want real information go look in some accredited history book or encyclopedia.

I wonder what Britannica says about Algebra and its origins.

If the Mongols hadn't thrown all the books in the Tigris ( it is said that the flow of the Tigris turned black for a week due to the amount of ink from the paper) and burnt all the libraries in Baghdad then history would be clear and indisputable. The Muslims were so focused on knowledge and were forgetting Allah that Allah in all his wisdom taught them a lesson.

What I found interesting in my school, college and university days is that where the Europeans had contributed in mathematics their names were referenced to specific work (very few references indeed) but the vast majority wasn't and it was only in later life that I concluded that the unreferenced work was done by the Arabs and the jealous Colonialists wouldn't commend them. All the arithmetic, most of the GCSE and A'Level work content was the achievement of Arab Mathematics scholars. Up to the 16th Century English didn't know how to divide and multiply and it was considered so complicated they had to go to Rome to learn it.

 

[KhalaiMakhlooq]

If the Mongols hadn't thrown all the books in the Tigris ( it is said that the flow of the Tigris turned black for a week due to the amount of ink from the paper) and burnt all the libraries in Baghdad then history would be clear and indisputable. The Muslims were so focused on knowledge and were forgetting Allah that Allah in all his wisdom taught them a lesson.

What I found interesting in my school, college and university days is that where the Europeans had contributed in mathematics their names were referenced to specific work (very few references indeed) but the vast majority wasn't and it was only in later life that I concluded that the unreferenced work was done by the Arabs and the jealous Colonialists wouldn't commend them. All the arithmetic, most of the GCSE and A'Level work content was the achievement of Arab Mathematics scholars. Up to the 16th Century English didn't know how to divide and multiply and it was considered so complicated they had to go to Rome to learn it.

I think early Islam is unrecognisable compared to what Muslims call 'traditional Islam'.

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/house-of-learning-the-golden-age.593183/

 

[TMA]

Mate today the national languages of both Afghanistan and Tajikistan are Persian! When we meet Afghani or Tajik people we totally understand them. They speak our language.

The entire western and northern Afghanistan is ethnic Persian speakers. The one's who speak pashto language border your country. They comprise less than 40% of Afghani population. Lets at least get the facts right.

And no we don't have any imperial design on these Persian speakers. Just don't want some rabid takfiri sawdi funded regimes to come to power and talk shit against Iran. Other than that we don't give a toss.

True Afghans (Pukhtoons) are the largest group, but let us be generous and say they make up 50%.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnic_groups_in_Afghanistan

That's what I said.



They are the dominant ethnic group and the country is literally named after them.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnic_groups_in_Afghanistan
Whilst they are the largest ethnic group and Afghanistan is named after them, this does not mean that the non Afghan Afghans have any less right to that land. Only 50% are Afghans. Therefore 50% of Afghanistan is not Afghan (Pukhtoon). Also you must know that the Afghan (Pukhtoons) spread their power during the time of the Hotak and Durrani Empires (after rebelling against other Persian speaking empires) and conquered many non Afghans into their empires and then called this land after themselves and did not include the 50% of the people of their empire in the name.

And also I am sure you know that since British India times, most Afghans (Pukhtoons) don't live in Afghanistan and since 1947, Pakistan is the largest Afghan (Pukhtoon) nation in the world....hence the ا/A in Pakistan standing for Afghania.

he was from Uzbekistan not Iran, Uzbeks are Turkic people not Persians

Back then many Persians lived in co-terminous Uzbekistan as well as ethnic Uzbeks. Today the Persians are only a tiny tiny minority....it is possible that he could have been an ethnic Persian from co-terminous Uzbekistan???

 

[PakSarzameen5823]

this does not mean that the non Afghan Afghans have any less right to that land.

I never suggested otherwise.

Afghan (Pukhtoons) spread their power during the time of the Hotak and Durrani Empires

Their power spread with the Islamic conquests since they made up a significant portion of the Islamic armies that poured into the east of the Indus River. That's why you have so many Indic Pathans.

And also I am sure you know that since British India times, most Afghans (Pukhtoons) don't live in Afghanistan and since 1947, Pakistan is the largest Afghan (Pukhtoon)
nation in the world....hence the ا/A in Pakistan standing for Afghania.

I am aware.

 

[TMA]

I never suggested otherwise.



Their power spread with the Islamic conquests since they made up a significant portion of the Islamic armies that poured into the east of the Indus River. That's why you have so many Indic Pathans.



I am aware.

But before their spread of "Islamic conquests", they actually rebelled against other Muslims empires in the first place....and incidentally a co-terminous Pakistani actually "paved" the way for the Hotaks and Durrani Empires to do so

 

[PakSarzameen5823]

they actually rebelled against other Muslims empires in the first place

They did a bit of both. Some joined them as soldiers, others were fiercely independent and fought tooth and nail against them. This is similar to how Hindu Kshatriyas behaved towards the Muslim empires.

and incidentally a co-terminous Pakistani actually "paved" the way for the Hotaks and Durrani Empires to do so

How so?

 

[TMA]

They did a bit of both. Some joined them as soldiers, others were fiercely independent and fought tooth and nail against them. This is similar to how Hindu Kshatriyas behaved towards the Muslim empires.



How so?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khushal_Khattak

 

[PakSarzameen5823]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khushal_Khattak

He didn't pave the way for anyone.

 

[TMA]

He didn't pave the way for anyone.

Yeah maybe you are right, but the Afghan Afghans see him as their hero and national poet.
He talked about uniting the Afghans and this was before the Hotaks and Durrani Empires managed to do this albeit for a short period of time....

 

[PakSarzameen5823]

Yeah maybe you are right, but the Afghan Afghans see him as their hero and national poet.
He talked about uniting the Afghans and this was before the Hotaks and Durrani Empires managed to do this albeit for a short period of time....

Hotaks and Durranis have nothing to do with him other than the fact that they also happened to be Pashtun. He is not the reason for their existence.

Afghan nationalists sure can be an odd bunch, they hate it when Pakistan dares to praise Pashtuns from Afghanistan, but then they do the same with Pashtuns from Pakistan. It's so stupid.

 

[TMA]

Hotaks and Durranis have nothing to do with him other than the fact that they also happened to be Pashtun. He is not the reason for their existence.

Afghan nationalists sure can be an odd bunch, they hate it when Pakistan dares to praise Pashtuns from Afghanistan, but then they do the same with Pashtuns from Pakistan. It's so stupid.

Well they have had a traumatic experience....their 5000 year history turns out to be about 200 years of so and most of their empire crumbled in even less than that....what can you expect?

 

[PakSarzameen5823]

Well they have had a traumatic experience....their 5000 year history turns out to be about 200 years of so and most of their empire crumbled in even less than that....what can you expect?

What traumatic event are you talking about? And how does it make their history become shorter?

 

[TMA]

What are you talking about?

I am being a tad sarcastic....as you know many Afghan Afghan claim that Afghanistan is 5000 years old....it must be a shock to the Afghan nationalists that they are only about 200 years or so old....many of them live in that dream of when they had an empire.....

 

[PakSarzameen5823]

I am being a tad sarcastic....as you know many Afghan Afghan claim that Afghanistan is 5000 years old....it must be a shock to the Afghan nationalists that they are only about 200 years or so old....many of them live in that dream of when they had an empire.....

Well, technically the oldest mention of the word Afghan comes from one of the ancient Persian empires (can't quite recall which one). And prior to that the Greeks called what is now Afghanistan "Ariana" (along with all of Pakistan west of the Indus River).

 

[TMA]

Well, technically the oldest mention of the word Afghan comes from one of the ancient Persian empires (can't quite recall which one). And prior to that the Greeks called what is now Afghanistan "Ariana" (along with all of Pakistan west of the Indus River).

Yes I have heard this however I meant as a state. The word Pakistan is older than 1947 but Pakistan came into being in 1947. True the difference is only like 15 years or so but you get my point.