The Untold story of Pakistan's Communist Movement.

[DESERT FIGHTER]

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The communist party died long ago...

 

[genmirajborgza786]

Absolutely must watch documentary by Ammar Aziz.
The Untold story of Pakistan's Communist Movement.

@Alpha1 @jaibi @RAMPAGE @danish falcon @FaujHistorian @Jazzbot @Mr Second @vostok and others ............

LAL Salam
comrade

my hero

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

Communism is a silly economic ideology. No private property, collective ownership of all assets, classless society, etc.

Karl Marx was a clever guy, but aspiring for concepts like "no private property" or a "classless society" are far too idealistic and unrealistic as a national system.

China's current system is called "Socialism with Chinese characteristics". It is a system designed specifically for China, and it has been doing very well.

 

[M. Sarmad]

Illegal occupants should be forced out. good move on part of KP police.

Illegal occupants ??? The land belongs to the peasants , not feudal lords . And that is not what communism says only , Islam says the same ... The land belongs to Allah alone . This concept is supported by Quranic verses . But as you said that its not a cult meeting but a public forum , I wont quote them . Just you should know that the concept of common ownership of land is not new to Islam :
Hima
Before the advent of Islam in the tribal eco-structure the concept of private ownership of land was not much in vogue. The reason of this non-developed concept was that land was more or less a common source of subsistence. This was also characterised as Hima, the collective reserves for grazing of cattle. So, in the pre Islamic period Hima had generally become as privileged holding of a tribe or a rulling class. Concurrently as we have seen the concept of fay’ of the Muslim; hima also had a definite transformation from the hima of one particular tribe to the common hima of the Muslims. Consequently Hima was made a common land


Allama Muhammad Iqbal , the "Mufakkir e Pakistan" , said :

Utho! Meri Dunya Ke Ghareebo Ko Jaga Do
Kakh-e-Umra Ke Dar-o-Diwar Hila Do

Rise, and from their slumber wake the poor ones of My world!
Shake the walls and windows of the mansions of the great!

Garmao Ghulamon Ka Lahoo Souz-e-Yaqeen Se
Kunjishik-e-Firomaya Ko Shaheen Se Lara Do

Kindle with the fire of faith the slow blood of the slaves!
Make the fearful sparrow bold to meet the falcon’s hate!

Sultani Jamhoor Ka Ata Hai Zamana
Jo Naqsh-e-Kuhan Tum Ko Nazar Aye, Mita Do

Close the hour approaches of the kingdom of the poor—
Every imprint of the past find and annihilate!

Jis Khait Se Dehqan Ko Mayassar Nahin Rozi
Uss Khait Ke Har Khausha-e-Gandum Ko Jala Do
Find the field whose harvest is no peasant’s daily bread—
Garner in the furnace every ripening ear of wheat!

By the time of Zia Ul Lanti Pakistani communists had fled the country or had being jailed. There are still some old Pakistani communists living in exile in UK

The communist party died long ago.

Taimur Rahman is the General Secretary of the Communist Mazdoor Kissan Party.
His page on Facebook has a reach of over 1 million members. Laal | Facebook

There are 134,000 people are writing on our wall every week. And without any advertising we attract about 12,000 new members every week.

Laal is the first progressive organisation in the history of Pakistan with such outreach. I think this calls for a celebration.

 

[FaujHistorian]

Communism in Pakistani heartland never could get a hold. People fiercely believe in private ownership of property and generally respect the idea of boundary,

However Marxism has been quiet popular among educated and urban elite for a long time while rural people absolutely abhor the marxist mumbo jumbo.

In the cities, the Ideology of Marxism has taken many different forms across the sections on the basis of supposed Hazrat Umar welfare system, to anti-landlord propaganda among Bihari educated elite.

Thus modern Islamists and liberals both essentially follow marxism, and thus our economy is in constant tailspin.


In fact modern day Islamism grows in the poisonous red houses of the Pakistani marxist leftists.

Then the same marxists leftists turn around and play innocent victims.

peace

 

[M. Sarmad]

In fact modern day Islamism grows in the poisonous red houses of the Pakistani marxist leftists.
Then the same marxists leftists turn around and play innocent victims.

Can you elaborate please

 

[FaujHistorian]

Can you elaborate please

Good question. It will take books to explain.

However one way to understand the link between Islamists and Marxists leftists may be to look at the things at the top of their agenda.


Marxists and leftists in Pakistan have spread their hateful ideas as follows:

1. Anti-Pakistani state
2. Anti Pakistan army
3. anti West (specially USA)
4. anti-industry
5. anti-business

6. One thing that marxists leftists like my fellow Bihari community has is the anti-land lords (imported from Bihari Marxism).

So apart from #6, Islamists and marxists leftists have done the same heinous crimes against our nation.


Hope this explains.

Thank you.

 

[M. Sarmad]

Good question. It will take books to explain.

However one way to understand the link between Islamists and Marxists leftists may be to look at the things at the top of their agenda.


Marxists and leftists in Pakistan have spread their hateful ideas as follows:

1. Anti-Pakistani state
2. Anti Pakistan army
3. anti West (specially USA)
4. anti-industry
5. anti-business

6. One thing that marxists leftists like my fellow Bihari community has is the anti-land lords (imported from Bihari Marxism).

So apart from #6, Islamists and marxists leftists have done the same heinous crimes against our nation.


Hope this explains.

Thank you.

No brother , it does not take books to explain , it takes two words "Anti Oppression" , Original Islam was socialist but contemporary Mullah Islam is surely imperialistic ....

The question was how do you compare the conservative Mullahs with leftist intellectuals ??
They are the exact opposite
Mullah Islam means oppression , and socialism means "anti oppression"

 

[FaujHistorian]

No brother , it does not take books to explain , it takes two words "Anti Oppression" , Original Islam was socialist but contemporary Mullah Islam is surely imperialistic ....

The question was how do you compare the conservative Mullahs with leftist intellectuals ??
They are the exact opposite
Mullah Islam means oppression , and socialism means "anti oppression"

they may raise different slogans.

Look at their action brother. Look at their actions.


But their economic approach is exact same oppressive and anti-development.

anti-oppression?

ha. Every commie state used state oppression that was worse than any oppression by a poor industrialist or a landlord.

So please do not use bookish definitions.

Thank you

 

[M. Sarmad]

they may raise different slogans.

Look at their action brother. Look at their actions.


But their economic approach is exact same oppressive and anti-development.

anti-oppression?

ha. Every commie state used state oppression that was worse than any oppression by a poor industrialist or a landlord.

So please do not use bookish definitions.

Thank you

Yes , the top 10 % who posses over 86 % of the wealth of the world may find it oppressing ... but what about the 90 % ?? Do you even count them ??

The bottom half of the global population together possess less than 1% of global wealth.
In sharp contrast, the richest 10% own 86% of the world’s wealth, with the top 1% alone accounting for 46% of global assets.
At the top, 32 million people control $98.7 trillion – that’s 41 percent of the world’s wealth in the hands of 0.7% of the total adult population.

This is the curse of capitalism and yet you find socialism to be oppressive !!!

 

[FaujHistorian]

Yes , the top 10 % who posses over 86 % of the wealth of the world may find it oppressing ... but what about the 90 % ?? Do you even count them ??

The bottom half of the global population together possess less than 1% of global wealth.
In sharp contrast, the richest 10% own 86% of the world’s wealth, with the top 1% alone accounting for 46% of global assets.
At the top, 32 million people control $98.7 trillion – that’s 41 percent of the world’s wealth in the hands of 0.7% of the total adult population.

This is the curse of capitalism and yet you find socialism to be oppressive !!!

please bhai.

before you make these arguments, just read what the bloody socialists aka Mao and Stalin did to their own people.

Let's not get bogged down in this academic debate about numbers. They can be used to blame anyone and everyone.

Please read history.

Thank you

 

[M. Sarmad]

please bhai.

before you make these arguments, just read what the bloody socialists aka Mao and Stalin did to their own people.

Let's not get bogged down in this academic debate about numbers. They can be used to blame anyone and everyone.

Please read history.

Thank you

Both China and Russia are super powers , Mao and Stalin are heroes for their people .. Please stop blindly following uncle sam`s pseudo intellectual propaganda

 

[FaujHistorian]

Both China and Russia are super powers , Mao and Stalin are heroes for their people .. Please stop blindly following uncle sam`s pseudo intellectual propaganda

Yes, heros.

no wonder both Russians and Chinese could not wait to throw away and ditch Maoism and satalinism,

It is only Pakistani marxists now that are blind followers of dead philosophies and their debunked philosophers cruel proponents.

 

[RAMPAGE]

@FaujHistorian

I have a question for you.

Do you agree that an Islamic state should forcibly collect Zakat from every single person who calls himself a Muslim ???

 

[FaujHistorian]

@FaujHistorian

I have a question for you.

Do you agree that an Islamic state should forcibly collect Zakat from every single person who calls himself a Muslim ???

The concept of the so called the horror of horrors Islamic state is the worst thing considering 100's of years of experience,
let alone it collecting anything.

hope this helps.