The UK's EU referendum: All you need to know

[Hyde]

Do you think the eu wil let us keep free trade without political union.I think norway has some agreement along those lines

It will be similar to Norwegian or Swiss model but Britain being the second largest economy in Europe, expect to seal better deal once the emotions/ hue and cry comes to an end.

I think EU will try to punish Britain by adding extra cost but it may still be worth it in the long run.

We would certainly have done better within EU but I think we would still be able to enjoy free market, freedom of movement (freedom of tourism if not work) etc...

I think 2 years of negotiation period is enough to find suitable pathway but I wont be surprised if the total procedure takes longer than 2 years... (as written in the constitition that you must complete all formalities within 2 years)

David Cameron has already stated that he wont invoke article 50 until a new leader has been chosen by his party.

 

[flamer84]

It will be similar to Norwegian or Swiss model but Britain being the second largest economy in Europe, expect to seal better deal once the emotions/ hue and cry comes to an end.

I think EU will try to punish Britain by adding extra cost but it may still be worth it in the long run.

We would certainly have done better within EU but I think we would still be able to enjoy free market, freedom of movement (freedom of tourism if not work) etc...

I think 2 years of negotiation period is enough to find suitable pathway but I wont be surprised if the total procedure takes longer than 2 years... (as written in the constitition that you must complete all formalities within 2 years)

David Cameron has already stated that he wont invoke article 50 until a new leader has been chosen by his party.

Britain gained nothing.If it wants access to the free market it will pay more than now,it will still need to bend over to EU labour/travel regulations and on top of that it won't have a say in decisions taken.It only achieved to crash stocks.Cameron knows that this is a disaster and that's why he's leaving.He's the new Gorbachev.

 

[mike2000 is back]

Pound is falling because of project fear created by remain side and now they have to deal with it.. market was expecting remain side to win which did not happen but bank of England gave statement that they will do something to bring financial stability

True, funny thing is that what tipped the balance in people voting OUT is what that unelected E.U commissioner said before the vote, since he said 'insultingly' that there will be no reform whether britain vote to leave or stays. Lol. In short these bureaucrats don't want any changes at all to those outdated E.U laws which is also why many people in the E.U who want to leave, hold such views. It meant that people who were unsure about their decision opted for leave since they knew that there is no chance for Britain to change things from the inside. let's see if things will change as we voted to get out.

Britain is suspicious of Europe as a whole and Germany in particular

Some of it is also about "Catholics live in Europe" and the Eastern Europe block is
Orthodox/Russian

Also Britain does sees itself as the Protestant bastion against a Catholic Europe

Its not that overt but its an under current that has been flowing since long between Europe and Britain

Seriously what's wrong with yoy muslim islamist and religion??
You people see Everything through Religion . . No wonder your region is the way it is today. Lol Better to focus on Pakistan's many troubles and middle eastern sectarian wars, Guess you definitely know more about that than the topic at hand. Lol

 

[RoadRunner401]

David Cameron resigns.

Prime Minister David Cameron, who had led the campaign to keep Britain in the EU, said he would resign by October and left it to his successor to decide when to invoke Article 50, which triggers a departure from European Union.

 

[mike2000 is back]

Britain gained nothing.If it wants access to the free market it will pay more than now,it will still need to bend over to EU labour/travel regulations and on top of that it won't have a say in decisions taken.It only achieved to crash stocks.Cameron knows that this is a disaster and that's why he's leaving.He's the new Gorbachev.

No, he is not really and we will see.
As I said before, its just because we human beings are usually scared of change, so we often need some time to adapt.
For example before we joined the E.U in the 70s many people were saying the same thing about how our economy is going to collapse and decline into oblivion if we joined the E.U, how we are going to lose all our sovereignty/laws etc, some even said if we don't adopt the Euros we will be doomed. Yet none of that happened, our economy grew, our currency is the worlds 3rd largest reserve currency and among the top 3 most iinfluential/used around the world. Etc

So all these fear mongering is just fear mongering. lol. We will carry on moving forward even if we are not in the E.U. In fact, it may do some good, hopefully this will make those unelected arrogant E.U Commissioners to take other E.U member countries complaints about reforms more seriously next time. Lol

DO note that if we were never part of E.U then people wouldnt be saying all these doomsday scenario like what they are saying today. Lol Since they will all have been used to it. Lol Anyway they will still get use to it, and 2-5 years from now everyone will even forget they ever predicted a doomsday scenario. Lol

Moreover, the real reason most brits voted out was because of immigration (70%) and sovereignty(20%) to be honest. It was a mistake to admit other eastern European countries in so early, since the difference in living standard is quite wide. If E.U had first restricted itself to western europe while advancing towards the East on a case by case basis with time as their living standards improve, then we would all have been far better off, and no brit(mostly the common man) will be complaining so much about so many immigrants taking their jobs and lowering their wages. This is what tipped the balance as well.

At the end if the day we need to seriously review our immigration policy(which I believe the next government will do) and follow Australian or even Canadian model of high skilled immigration depending on skills, experience and what value they and bring to our country or through a case by case basis. This also applies for migrants from non E.U countries coming here

@mike2000 is back do you understand what I mean?

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The world is a very big place.
Too bad the U.S is not in our commonwealth. lol

 

[21 Dec 2012]

Without the Scots and the Irish, the leave percentage gets even further boosted. The English are all in to leave. Now lets see whether the Scotland and (greater) Ireland are or not. David Cameron may leave behind a legacy of two broken Unions.

 

[jaunty]

They are in power, but they don't have a majority in parliament. Yes they had 44.7% but that was against 55.3, statistically that is very hard to close. Europe is in dire straights at the moment. Other states will also vote against Scotland , do you know about the separatist problems in Spain? Spain has said they would boycott such membership. They would also have to adopt the Euro which they don't want to do and accept a whole raft of new legislation that the Scotts don't want.

Just as I predicted http://www.theguardian.com/politics...d-scottish-independence-referendum-is-certain

It only took a few hours.

They will first assess the public opinion now, if there is still a positive sentiment for independence, I am 100% sure that they will call for another independence referendum within a couple of years again and I would be shocked if they don't get more than 45% votes this time. Those who voted yes last time would vote yes again but there will be a significant swing from the no side following this development. Last time a lot of Scots voted no in order to stay in the EU.

 

[vostok]

I should note that my own predictions have not come true. The old Britain still able to surprise! They are building two aircraft carriers for a reason! In the world to come, Britain wants to have its own place - it is praiseworthy.

 

[MarkusS]

No, he is not really and we will see.
As I said before, its just because we human beings are usually scared of change, so we often need some time to adapt.
For example before we joined the E.U in the 70s many people were saying the same thing about how our economy is going to collapse and decline into oblivion if we joined the E.U, how we are going to lose all our sovereignty/laws etc, some even said if we don't adopt the Euros we will be doomed. Yet none of that happened, our economy grew, our currency is the worlds 3rd largest reserve currency and among the top 3 most iinfluential/used around the world. Etc

So all these fear mongering is just fear mongering. lol. We will carry on moving forward even if we are not in the E.U. In fact, it may do some good, hopefully this will make those unelected arrogant E.U Commissioners to take other E.U member countries complaints about reforms more seriously next time. Lol

DO note thar if we were never part of E.U then people wouldnt be saying all these doomsday scenario like what they are saying today. Lol Since they will all have been used to it. Lol Anyway they will still get use to it, and 5-10years from now everyone will even forget they ever predicted a doomsday scenario. Lol

Moreover, the real reason most brits voted out was because of immigration (70%) and sovereignty(20%) to be honest. It was a mistake to admit other eastern European countries in so early, since the difference in standard of living is quite wide. If E.U had first restricted itself to western europe while advancing towards the East on a case by case basis with time as gtheir living standards improvise, then we would all have been far better off, and no brit(mostly the common man) will be complaining so much about so many immigrants taking their jobs and lowering their wages. This is what tipped the balance as well.
At the end if the day we need to seriously review oyr immigration policy and follow Australian or even Canadian model of high skilled immigration depending on skills, experience and what value they and bring to our country or through a case by case basis. This also applies for migrants from non E.U countries coming here



The world is a very big place.
Too bad the U.S is not in our commonwealth. lol

None of this will change with BREXIT.

The UK will be forced to open market just as norway and switzerland and allow evry EU citizen into it and working permits as well.

Beside that its obvious that the UK breaks apart from this. Scotland wants to remain in the EU with overwhelming numbers. Scotland wont allow to be led into isolation

 

[RedRock]

True, funny thing is that whar tipped the ballabce in people voting OUT is what that unelected E.U commissioner said before the vote, since he said 'insultingly' that there will be no reform whether britain vote to leave or stays. Lol. In short these bureaucrats don't want any changes at all to those outdated E.U laws which is also why many people in the E.U who want to leave, hold such views. It meant thar people who were unsure about their decision opted for leave since they knew that there is no chance for Britain to change things from the inside. let's see if things will change as we voted to get out.



Seriously what's wrong with yoy muslim islamist and religion??
You people see Everything through Religion . . No wonder your region is the way it is today. Lol Better to focus on Pakistan's many troubles and middle eastern sectarian wars, Guess you definitely know more about that than the topic at hand. Lol

Hey
Was wondering that since the British don't want to be apart of EU, could it also be the same in the case for NATO? I know know there is much of a difference between the two, but could it be possible?

 

[Kuwaiti Girl]

No, he is not really and we will see.
As I said before, its just because we human beings are usually scared of change, so we often need some time to adapt.
For example before we joined the E.U in the 70s many people were saying the same thing about how our economy is going to collapse and decline into oblivion if we joined the E.U, how we are going to lose all our sovereignty/laws etc, some even said if we don't adopt the Euros we will be doomed. Yet none of that happened, our economy grew, our currency is the worlds 3rd largest reserve currency and among the top 3 most iinfluential/used around the world. Etc

So all these fear mongering is just fear mongering. lol. We will carry on moving forward even if we are not in the E.U. In fact, it may do some good, hopefully this will make those unelected arrogant E.U Commissioners to take other E.U member countries complaints about reforms more seriously next time. Lol

How ironic of you to mention fear-mongering as an example in a situation like this lol.

It's exactly fear-mongering that prompted half the British population to foolishly vote against remaining part of the EU.

The UK has just shot itself in the foot.

Not only is this decision going to isolate the UK from the rest of Europe, but it will also lead to Scottish independence.

 

[mike2000 is back]

None of this will change with BREXIT.

The UK will be forced to open market just as norway and switzerland and allow evry EU citizen into it and working permits as well.

Beside that its obvious that the UK breaks apart from this. Scotland wants to remain in the EU with overwhelming numbers. Scotland wont allow to be led into isolation

Its just all talk, they are not going anywhere without our approval, they already had their referundum and voted to stay. Case is already closed. lol.
However, they will make alot of noise as usual so Westminster can grant them more powers, usual political tricks, nothing new.
As I said, it might be a sad bitter divorce we just had with the E.U, but they shouldn't cry, we are still in EUROPE, and NATO , we are not just in E.U. After all, as you can see Switzerland, Norway, Bosnia-Herzegovina, Serbia, Kosovo, Albania, Macedonia, Moldova, Iceland, etc etc. are not part of the E.U but they are still in Europe, and life continues.lol

I think Britain leaving will have a positive effect for the E.U at least, since E.U complacent bureaucrats will seriously start taking what common people in europe complains are and reform accordingly.

 

[MarkusS]

Its just all talk, they are not going anywhere without our approval, they already had their referundum amd voted to stay. Case is already closed. lol.
However, they will make alot if noise so Westminster can grant them more powers, usual political tricks, nothing new.
As I said, it might be a sad bitter divorce we just had with the E.U, but they shouldn't cry, we are still in EUROPE, and NATO , we are not just in E.U After all, as you can see Switzerland, Norway, Bosnia-Herzegovina, Serbia, Kosovo, Albania, Macedonia, Moldova, Iceland, etc etc. are not part of the E.U but they are still in Europe, and life continues.
I think Britain leaving will have a positive effect for the E.U at least, since E.U complacent bureaucrats will seriously start taking what common people in europe complains are and reform accordingly.

You are not going anywhere without there approval. We live in the 21st century. You dont follow the rules then you are out.

Also with all honesty you arent europe and never where. You are americas colony sadly said but Blair sold you out.

 

[mike2000 is back]

How ironic of you to mention fear-mongering as an example in a situation like this lol.

It's exactly fear-mongering that prompted half the British population to foolishly vote against remaining part of the EU.

The UK has just shot itself in the foot.

Not only is this decision going to isolate the UK from the rest of Europe, but it will also lead to Scottish independence.

Not really, its mostly the common man in britain who voted leave, since some of them are the ones who have been affectes the most by what they see and by E.U inability and unwillingness to reform.
It wont isolate us, we will still trade with Europe, and they will still trade with us, WIN-WIN. Their citizens will still move here(under different conditions though) and we as well , we will still carry on cooperating on Military projects and deployments(thats for those few E.U countries like France who have a real military) etc. The only difference is that we like Norway or Switzerland will not be part of the E.U 2 years from now. EUROPE still needs us the way we need them and both sides know this, only that this time the terms will be different..

You are not going anywhere without there approval. We live in the 21st century. You dont follow the rules then you are out.

Also with all honesty you arent europe and never where. You are americas colony sadly said but Blair sold you out.

Lol Dont be so heartbroken bro, we are still in EUROPE and many beautiful Italian girls will keep coming here.

Ask yourselves why many europeans have an unfavourable view towards Brussels. the french are even more anti E.U than we brit. Ever paused one minute and asked yourself why?. . Its E.U bureaucrats.

 

[MarkusS]

Not really, its mostly the common man in britain who voted leave, since some of them are the ones who have been affectes the most by what they see and by E.U inability and unwillingness to reform.
It wont isolate us, we will still trade with Europe, and they will still trade with us, WIN-WIN. Their citizens will still move here(under different conditions though) and we as well , we will still carry on cooperating on Military projects and deployments(thats for those few E.U countries like France who have a real military) etc. The only difference is that we like Norway or Switzerland will not be part of the E.U 2 years from now. EUROPE still needs us the way we need them and both sides know this, only that this time the terms will be different..



Lol Dont be so heartbroken bro, we are still in EUROPE and many beautiful Italian girls will keep coming here.

Ask yourselves why many europeans have an unfavourable view towards Brussels. the french are even more anti E.U than we brit. Ever paused one minute and asked yourself why?. . Its E.U bureaucrats.

It wont works like this amigo.

The UK is out and never really was in. I visited UK and its an alien culture and not european in any way.

Simple fact is that your people will propably need visa to get entry into italy.

You forget one thing. You say the terms will be different. They will but in our way of interest. Now we can push our conditions on the UK.