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The Truth About Mumbai Attacks (Indias Hindu Radicals Responsible)

The conspiracy theories have many more holes than the official one.

Someone is working to prove the official theory, there is evidence that is being gathered.

The conspiracy theorists have to just shoot from their hips. :disagree:
 
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November 29, 2008

The terrorists in the Indian city of Mumbai, who killed more than 150 people and injured over 300, used the same tactics that Chechen field militants employed in the Northern Caucasus, says Russian counter terrorism presidential envoy Anatoly Safonov.

In towns of the Northern Cauasus in 1990s, terrorists seized homes and hospitals and took numerous hostages.

"These tactics were used during raids by militant Chechen field commanders Shamil Basayev and Salman Raduyev against the towns of Buddyonnovsk and Pervomaiskoye. For the first time in history the entire towns were terrorized, with homes and hospitals seized. The Mumbai terrorists have learned these tactics well," Safonov told Russian news agency Interfax on Thursday.

Safonov says that the terror in Mumbai is proof that the anti-terror measures on a regional level are insufficient.

“The world is spending enormous resources to fight nonexistent threats and to support the military adventures of the leaders of certain countries. And it turns out that a big city may be unprotected against the raid of a handful of terrorists. This is another warning that in the global world terrorism truly remains the greatest challenge," Safonov said to Interfax.

He also pointed out that now it’s the task of Indian special services to track down the terrorist group behind the attack on Mumbai. Safonov said they would need to determine whether it was “a subsidiary of some prominent terrorist organization”.

The presidential aide expressed hope that the Russian-Indian working group for combating terrorism will meet in the near future.

"We express our support and condolences to the people of India and sympathize with the families that lost relatives and dear ones in the terrorist attack in Mumbai," Safonov said.

On Thursday terrorists attacked 10 targets in Mumbai, including several five star hotels, a cafe and a railway station.

Police say they have regained full control over the city.
 
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Terror has no religion, do not go soft: Muslim cleric

Lucknow: Going soft on terror will not make Muslims happy as the perpetrators of such acts do not segregate their targets by religion, the cleric who heads Lucknow's oldest Islamic seminary has said after the daring Mumbai attack.

"If the politicians of this country think that by shying away from taking on terrorists directly and by going soft on terror they will get kudos from Muslims, they are sadly mistaken," said Lucknow's Naib Imam Maulana Khalid Rasheed, who also heads the Firangi Mahal seminary.

"It is quite clear now that Indian politicians of all shades were somehow living under an illusion that if they were to turn harsh against acts of terror, they would alienate the Muslims of this country," Maulana Rasheed told IANS in an interview.

"They ought to realise that the perpetrators of terror do not segregate their targets in terms of religion, and the victims of terror too cut across religious lines. When you count dead bodies, the first thing that hits you is the horror, not the religion of those killed."

Over 180 lives were lost in the Mumbai attack in which terrorists struck at 10 prominent locations in the city November 26 night and carried on for nearly 60 hours.

Maulana Rasheed, who wondered "when will these politicians change their mindset, said, "I could see fear and apprehension in the utterances and eyes of each of the leaders - cutting across party lines - as they appeared on various TV channels throughout the three-day-long ordeal in Mumbai".

He is surprised that some parties thought Muslims in India did not appreciate any criticism of Pakistan.

"What is worse is that leaders of some parties have even begun to think that any criticism of Pakistan would not be relished by this country's Muslims," he lamented.

"When will they ever realise that by doing so they are clearly reflecting their perverted psyche of labelling all Indian Muslims as pro-Pakistanis, which is the worst abuse for any Indian Muslim."

Maulana Rasheed is also irked about the Centre's move to invite the chief of the Pakistani espionage agency Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI) to assist India in tackling terror. Pakistan has responded by saying it is willing to send an ISI representative.

"India's bid to invite the ISI chief after the Mumbai attack is like asking a criminal to help the police contain crime," quipped the Maulana.

He said "the move has only undermined India's strength and reflects the total lack of self-confidence in the leaders of this country".
 
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Birmingham Star
UK

1 Dec 2008

US intelligence officials are searching urgently for clues that might identify the Mumbai attackers and ease tensions between India and Pakistan.

FBI agents are in India to investigate the attacks in Mumbai that killed at least 195 people, including six Americans.

The US State Department has warned citizens still in India's financial capital that their lives remain at risk.

A US counter-terrorism official has already deduced that some signatures of the attack were consistent with the work of Pakistani militant groups Lashkar-e-Taiba and Jaish-e-Mohammed and reported to be linked to al Qaeda.

But the official emphasised it was premature to pinpoint who was responsible for the attacks.


Another official, specialising in counterintelligence, also cautioned against rushing to judgment on the origins of the gunmen who waged a two-and-a-half-day rampage through India's leading commercial center before being killed.

The US officials spoke on condition of anonymity due to the sensitivity of the situation.

US officials are concerned about a flare-up in animosity similar to one that occurred after Pakistani militants attacked the Indian parliament in December 2001, the officials said.

Underscoring those fears, Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice has called the Foreign Minister of India twice, along with Pakistani President Asif Ali Zardari, since the crisis began.

President George W. Bush has pledged cooperation with Indian authorities and has been receiving regular updates.
 
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NEW DELHI, Nov 30: Pro-Indian Kashmiri leader Farooq Abdullah has said the Indian government should stop blaming Pakistan for the Mumbai bloodbath.

He told The Tribune daily in Jammu that instead of wasting time on a blame game, Pakistan and India should launch joint efforts to combat terrorism because New Delhi alone could not eliminate it.

“We must make a combined effort to deal with the problem and at the same time help the Pakistan government and its people to come out of the morass of terrorism,” he said.

“Islamabad (itself) is trying to deal with the problem, so linking the Pakistan government with the Mumbai attack is not wise on our part,” he added.—APP
 
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The conspiracy theories have many more holes than the official one.

Someone is working to prove the official theory, there is evidence that is being gathered.

The conspiracy theorists have to just shoot from their hips. :disagree:

LOL. Official story is also a conspiracy theory unless proven.
 
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Well if the FBI Team finds that the attack on Mumbai was from Pakistani soil it willbe interesting to see how things take turn then.
 
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LOL. Official story is also a conspiracy theory unless proven.

Exactly. Official theory needs to be proven by the investigative agencies and they would take care to reveal what they can prove in a court of law.

What about the conspiracy theories? What do they have to back them up besides some fertile minds that in most instances can't hide their support for the terrorists?

Are they liable to be held to their words?
 
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Exactly. Official theory needs to be proven by the investigative agencies and they would take care to reveal what they can prove in a court of law.

What about the conspiracy theories? What do they have to back them up besides some fertile minds that in most instances can't hide their support for the terrorists?

Are they liable to be held to their words?

Is Naval, Coast Guard & RAW failure and lying a conspiracy theory ???
 
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December 1 2008
Guardian UK

*These attacks were born of local and regional hostilities, and it seems likely a part was played by a Mumbai crime boss*​

A perverse narcissism seized the British media last week, with several papers seemingly desperate to claim the Mumbai terrorists as British citizens. There was no evidence for this beyond a couple of unsourced stories in the Indian press, but it served to confirm the thesis that the whole operation was organised by al-Qaida and thus merely another manifestation of the cultural clash between Islam and its religious competitors.

The Mumbai attacks were not about global jihad. The attacks on foreign tourists at the Taj and the Oberoi, and on the Lubavitch centre, were designed to secure maximum publicity - a strategy that worked splendidly. Yet the roots of this nightmarish event are to be found elsewhere: in the deterioration in relations between Hindus and Muslims in Mumbai and India since the late 1980s, and in regional relations between India and Pakistan.

The operational key to the Mumbai attacks, however, is almost certainly held by D-Company, the sprawling and hugely effective organised criminal syndicate that is steered from the Pakistani port city of Karachi by the most powerful figure in Mumbai's fabled underworld, Dawood Ibrahim. It is virtually impossible that Dawood was unaware of the preparation of the attack, given the D-Company's extensive intelligence network (which in several past instances has proved more effective than the Indian state's intelligence capacity).

India's security services have begun investigating Dawood's possible role in the attack because he controls most of the smuggling routes into India's great commercial centre. In 1993, he put his network at the disposal of the ISI, Pakistan's intelligence service, to let it smuggle in huge amounts of the explosive RDX. As the Mumbai author, Hussain Zaidi, demonstrates in his extraordinary book, Black Friday, the RDX was then used for the terrorist attacks in March 1993, in which 257 people died, still the single highest death toll in any of the atrocities visited upon Mumbai in recent years. Dozens of co-conspirators have been convicted, largely thanks to the evidence of some bombers who became state witnesses, revealing the terrorist plans in minute detail.

Sasool Dock, where a dozen or so of the attackers landed, is one of the port areas under D-Company's control. In the 1993 attacks, Dawood was able to land the RDX at night because he corrupted police officials responsible for monitoring the coast in Mumbai and its environs. If Dawood's role in the recent attacks is confirmed, it is highly likely that officials will again have been paid to turn a blind eye.

Dawood himself has not returned to Mumbai, where he was born and raised, for more than 20 years, since he fled the city for Dubai to escape murder charges. But before he left, he had eliminated several of his major rivals on his way to becoming the biggest criminal boss in the city. The organisation has grown and prospered, trading primarily in gold, narcotics and weapons, ever since.

Until 1993, D-Company was a fully secular organisation. Dawood himself is a Muslim but his most trusted lieutenant, Chota Rajan, was a Hindu. In December 1992, however, a series of riots inspired by the rising power of extreme Hindu nationalism left the Muslim community in Bombay (as it was then called) cowed and frightened. Two thirds of the 900 people killed in the riots were Muslims and a number of Dawood's associates were injured or had their property damaged in the events.

Incensed by the anti-Muslim feeling whipped up by the local nationalist party, Shiv Sena, Dawood agreed to assist in the appalling bomb attacks of March 1993 in revenge. The result was a unique twist in the growing power of organised crime in Mumbai - the syndicates lined up behind religious faith. Chota Rajan established his own organisation, and a de facto war broke out between Hindu and Muslim crime groups. "Mumbai's underworld was the most secular part of this city," Rakesh Maria, a deputy police commissioner, told me. "In other spheres we saw communal issues having an impact, but we never for a moment imagined this could affect organised crime."

Dawood's relationship with the ISI in Pakistan became closer when the authorities in Dubai decided his presence in the city was no longer conducive to the public good (nor its relations with India) and in 2003 he moved to Karachi. Most analysts agree that this has increased Dawood's dependency on his ISI sponsors. Yet, despite an absence of almost a quarter of a century from his home, D-Company still dominates the Mumbai underworld.

The intended political impact of the attacks is to prevent any rapprochement between Islamabad and Delhi, a development that threatens to undermine extremist constituencies in both Pakistan and India. It will unquestionably strengthen the various Hindu nationalist organisations such as the BJP as general elections loom in the country.

As a consequence, along with sorting out its shambolic intelligence and security forces, it must be a priority of the Indian government to prevent any Hindu nationalist backlash against the Muslims of Mumbai. Dawood Ibrahim may believe that his proven links with atrocities are designed to defend the increasingly impoverished and marginalised Muslim communities in Mumbai and India. In fact, he merely places them at even greater risk.

Misha Glenny is the author of McMafia: Crime without Frontiers misha.glenny@which.net
 
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December 1 2008
Guardian UK

*These attacks were born of local and regional hostilities, and it seems likely a part was played by a Mumbai crime boss*​

A perverse narcissism seized the British media last week, with several papers seemingly desperate to claim the Mumbai terrorists as British citizens. There was no evidence for this beyond a couple of unsourced stories in the Indian press, but it served to confirm the thesis that the whole operation was organised by al-Qaida and thus merely another manifestation of the cultural clash between Islam and its religious competitors.

The Mumbai attacks were not about global jihad. The attacks on foreign tourists at the Taj and the Oberoi, and on the Lubavitch centre, were designed to secure maximum publicity - a strategy that worked splendidly. Yet the roots of this nightmarish event are to be found elsewhere: in the deterioration in relations between Hindus and Muslims in Mumbai and India since the late 1980s, and in regional relations between India and Pakistan.

The operational key to the Mumbai attacks, however, is almost certainly held by D-Company, the sprawling and hugely effective organised criminal syndicate that is steered from the Pakistani port city of Karachi by the most powerful figure in Mumbai's fabled underworld, Dawood Ibrahim. It is virtually impossible that Dawood was unaware of the preparation of the attack, given the D-Company's extensive intelligence network (which in several past instances has proved more effective than the Indian state's intelligence capacity).

India's security services have begun investigating Dawood's possible role in the attack because he controls most of the smuggling routes into India's great commercial centre. In 1993, he put his network at the disposal of the ISI, Pakistan's intelligence service, to let it smuggle in huge amounts of the explosive RDX. As the Mumbai author, Hussain Zaidi, demonstrates in his extraordinary book, Black Friday, the RDX was then used for the terrorist attacks in March 1993, in which 257 people died, still the single highest death toll in any of the atrocities visited upon Mumbai in recent years. Dozens of co-conspirators have been convicted, largely thanks to the evidence of some bombers who became state witnesses, revealing the terrorist plans in minute detail.

Sasool Dock, where a dozen or so of the attackers landed, is one of the port areas under D-Company's control. In the 1993 attacks, Dawood was able to land the RDX at night because he corrupted police officials responsible for monitoring the coast in Mumbai and its environs. If Dawood's role in the recent attacks is confirmed, it is highly likely that officials will again have been paid to turn a blind eye.

Dawood himself has not returned to Mumbai, where he was born and raised, for more than 20 years, since he fled the city for Dubai to escape murder charges. But before he left, he had eliminated several of his major rivals on his way to becoming the biggest criminal boss in the city. The organisation has grown and prospered, trading primarily in gold, narcotics and weapons, ever since.

Until 1993, D-Company was a fully secular organisation. Dawood himself is a Muslim but his most trusted lieutenant, Chota Rajan, was a Hindu. In December 1992, however, a series of riots inspired by the rising power of extreme Hindu nationalism left the Muslim community in Bombay (as it was then called) cowed and frightened. Two thirds of the 900 people killed in the riots were Muslims and a number of Dawood's associates were injured or had their property damaged in the events.

Incensed by the anti-Muslim feeling whipped up by the local nationalist party, Shiv Sena, Dawood agreed to assist in the appalling bomb attacks of March 1993 in revenge. The result was a unique twist in the growing power of organised crime in Mumbai - the syndicates lined up behind religious faith. Chota Rajan established his own organisation, and a de facto war broke out between Hindu and Muslim crime groups. "Mumbai's underworld was the most secular part of this city," Rakesh Maria, a deputy police commissioner, told me. "In other spheres we saw communal issues having an impact, but we never for a moment imagined this could affect organised crime."

Dawood's relationship with the ISI in Pakistan became closer when the authorities in Dubai decided his presence in the city was no longer conducive to the public good (nor its relations with India) and in 2003 he moved to Karachi. Most analysts agree that this has increased Dawood's dependency on his ISI sponsors. Yet, despite an absence of almost a quarter of a century from his home, D-Company still dominates the Mumbai underworld.

The intended political impact of the attacks is to prevent any rapprochement between Islamabad and Delhi, a development that threatens to undermine extremist constituencies in both Pakistan and India. It will unquestionably strengthen the various Hindu nationalist organisations such as the BJP as general elections loom in the country.

As a consequence, along with sorting out its shambolic intelligence and security forces, it must be a priority of the Indian government to prevent any Hindu nationalist backlash against the Muslims of Mumbai. Dawood Ibrahim may believe that his proven links with atrocities are designed to defend the increasingly impoverished and marginalised Muslim communities in Mumbai and India. In fact, he merely places them at even greater risk.

Misha Glenny is the author of McMafia: Crime without Frontiers misha.glenny@which.net

This one referring to a new theory. :woot:
 
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Is Naval, Coast Guard & RAW failure and lying a conspiracy theory ???

I think we are mixing issues here.

Are you trying to say that there was some ineptitude shown by some Indian agencies in tackling the terror?

Or

Are you saying that it was a conspiracy hatched by India and the terrorists were Indians?


Both are separate issues, you agree with that?

I see people jumping smoothly from one issue to another without really understanding what they stand for.

So let us take any one track and discuss that.
 
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