The true Afghanistan

[Jaanbaz]

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Bangistan...............

 

[UnitedPak]

This is the Greater Iran (uniting all Iranic Races) and Greater India (uniting all Indic Races)

concept of Greater Iran or India is nationalist concept of unifying all Ethinicities that belong to either Iranic or Indic fold into one Nation.

now tell me and why are you claiming Hindu Majority Jammu,Haryana, Punjab(dhrmic), gujarat and some parts of UP ?
is it Race ? AFAIK there is no Pakistani race like Indic,Iranic or Afghan.
is is culture ? pakistan is too diverse to for that.
is it Ancestry ? again pakistan itself is divided in to 2 different Races Indic and Iranic.

what is your base for claims on large Indian Lands ?

Those are linguistic groups, not races

There is no such thing as an Indic or Iranic race.

 

[Nexus]

Those are linguistic groups, not races

There is no such thing as an Indic or Iranic race.

There is.
Punjabi,Haryanvi,Hindi,bihari,Bangali rajasthani and gujarati are different languages not racial groups.

I am a proud kathiyawari(boli) gujarati(language) Indic/Indo-Aryan(Racial and Cultural identity).

Dont tell us what we are and what we are not you have identity crisis, not us.

 

[UnitedPak]

There is.
Punjabi,Haryanvi,Hindi,bihari,Bangali rajasthani and gujarati are different languages not racial groups.

I am a proud kathiyawari(boli) gujarati(language) Indic/Indo-Aryan(Racial and Cultural identity).

Dont tell us what we are and what we are not you have identity crisis, not us.

Claiming ownership of foreign regions and defining new racial groups is the hallmark of having an identity crisis. I just feel that you are making things up as you go along. Indo-Aryan is a language family. Its not really up for discussion.

 

[Indus Pakistan]

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Hey Gula what do the Hazara call themselves. Curious?

 

[Kabira]

I don't care if a Pashtun calls himself Pakistani/Pathan/Martian but truth is that the earliest reference of the word Awghan was in 300 AD. I don't have any intention to break up the ethnic harmony in Pakistan. I just wanted to clarify that pathan is incorrect. If all Pashtuns would begin to call themselves pathan even then it's not correct because pathan/pathani wasn't proclaimed as a identity by Pashtuns themselves. "Kalabazai?" Ta kala razi?
I've never been to Pakistan so idk what you mean.

300AD? Thats BS. Afghan word was used by farsis some 7 centuries ago or later.

 

[Indus Pakistan]

This is the Greater Iran (uniting all Iranic Races) and Greater India (uniting all Indic Races)

Ooops you left out all your Dravid brothers? And what is it with this "Indic"? It says Indo-Aryan in language category. And language is only one aspect of a person. You think niggers speaking English belong to Anglo-Saxon world? Or Fari speaking Mongol Hazara belong to Iran?

Eeeh Afghan? You do know afghan is since decades also a nationality?

Precisely. Meaning of terms change or drift through history. They are not static. Today Afghan means Mongo Hazara who look more like Downs Sydrome then Pashtuns. Then you have Turkic Turkmens who belong to Turkic world. Ditto for this fella below.

 

[Indus Pakistan]

This below is a West Indian speaking English. According to some nutters here he ought to be classed "Englandic" or "Indic" because of this passion for flaying "names".

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

This below is a West Indian speaking English. According to some nutters here he ought to be classed "Englandic" or "Indic" because of this passion for flaying "names".

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[PAKISTANFOREVER]

This below is a West Indian speaking English. According to some nutters here he ought to be classed "Englandic" or "Indic" because of this passion for flaying "names".

He and he's ilk are the founders and pioneers of White Western civilisation......they do after all speak English..........lol....lol.....

Bamba claaaaaaat civilisationnnnn.........maaaaan!!!!!.......

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

And I don't get why you guys are so focused on looks. Even some Pashtuns have mongloid features. So what?

Pushtuns, Afghan or Pakistani are one of the most beautiful races on earth.

 

[Kabira]

Yeah of course in the 1990's along with the creation of boy bands.

At least you didn’t say 3099BC, progress I guess.

 

[Mian Babban]

It has been incorrectly assumed that "Awghan" is an Iranian/Persian term for Pashtuns. A Chinese traveler Hseun Sang entered into Afghanistan (region between Ghazni and Bannu) from China direction and mentioned its people as Awghan and the region as Roh. Its obvious the locals were calling themselves Awghans which the Chinese traveller picked up. Our medieval Pashto poets call themselves Afghans which means its not an alien word like Pathan.

Note : Awghan is original, while Afghan is its Persian modification

 

[WaLeEdK2]

Pakistani Pashtuns from my experience aren't to fond of afghans even the Pashtun ones. My friends uncle is an SSP in KPK. If I remember correctly his name is SSP Abbas Majeed Marwat. He literally hates the afghans. Afghanistan isn't a country. it's just an area where powers (foreign and domestic) use to gain strategic depth for national interests. That's the bitter truth which they cannot swallow which hinders their rational facility in turn creating a cloud of insane delusion that harms not only themselves but everyone around them.

 

[Indus Pakistan]

He's a uzbek his nationality is Afghan

I know. The singular point you need to understand is that most countries are ethnic composites. I am not against Afghanistan. I am for all Afghans in Pakistan (of whatever ethnic background) being given Pakistan nationality and accorded full rights like any other citizens of whatever background. I don't hold any grudge against Mongol Hazara. I care little for religious persuation or even no religion. I am cool with that. I say all this so that you don't regard me as hostile to Afghanistan like lots of other members here are.


However let me tell you does get my goat. Afghans or Indians who fantasise about dividing Pakistan along ethnic lines. I take issue with people who like drawing wedges inside Pakistan. good or bad this is now home to nearly 200 million people and just like Afghaistan we are also a composite of ethnic groups. I take issue with Afghans who themselves are made up of Turkic, Mongol, Iranic language groups, Indo-Iranian, Turkic, Indo-Aryan ethnic groups with Shia and Sunni followers divided amongst dozens of other lines having the temerity to divide Pakistan along it's fracture lines. You can see what lack of unity and accomodation has done to afghanistan over the last 40 years. I do not want the same for Pakistan. Is that so diofficult to understand? That is why I stress nationalism because it overarches the regional, ethnic, religious, tribal, caste divisions that are endemic in Pakistan as well as wider South Asia.

As European history has shown nationslism can be dangerous however in case of our region we need it to form the states that we have today. I would not want these states to fall apart because as Syria or Iraq has shown or even Afghanistan chaos prevails. Children and familes die. Outsiders walk in to rape and plunder or use civilians as target practice. I hope this makes my position clear to you.

I am from Attock district. We have Pashtuns, Hindokwans, Gujjars, Punjabi other castes as well as other recent migrants. I get Afghans [otherr forums] telling me to dump the Punjabis etc. I always say okay. If Afghan Pashtuns dump Mongols, Uzbeks, Tajiks, Turkmen fine. If you do that fine let's go for a Pashtunistan. A pure, clean ethnic state. Of course that would require mass deportations, killings and genocide to create a single, pure, homogenous ethnic state encompassing both sides of the Durand Line. Is that a workable proposition? Is that what we really want?

I would much prefer to build what we have and create a prosperous, educated and forward looking society. That is possible within the Pakistani state. And that is why I look like a nationalist because I see that as way to bridge sectarianism, ethnocentrism, tribalism, casteism. If that means looking like a alt-nationslists so be it. If it takes nurturing hatred of India to create unity at home so be it. Because I did European history upto A-Level and saw how the nation states in Europe were "manufactured" in crucible of fire and hate. It was not a easy path.