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The hostility of Pakistani nationalists towards the word 'Afghan' is unwarranted and unnatural. The ones who came up with word 'Pakistan' (Chauhdry Rahmat Ali, Aslam Khattak and others) have clearly told us that 'A' in the word Pakistan stands for Afghania, the name they gave to then unnamed Frontier province. If the word Afghan bothers you, so should the word Pakistan. The word was invented by Chauhdri Rahmat Ali and co, and did not exist before them, so you have to accept their explanation.
 
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For example look at the continous to and fro about the Durand Line. Is it artificial? Yes indeed it is. But is artificial like all the other lines in South Asia if not the entire Third World. Have you seen the lines in Middle East. UAE, Saudia Arabia, Oman, Yemen, Iraq all are Arab but are dissected by European lines mostly drawn post WW1 undr the Sykes-Picot Agreement. One people, one language, one region, the Arabs were sliced and diced in dozen states.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sykes–Picot_Agreement

Coming to South Asia almost every bordr was either drawn by British or Russian or by both working together. Non is native or natural - whatever that means as by definition every border is unnatural because we only have one planet. One earth. Here are the lines in South Asia [below] with their names most acquire from the English officials who drew the lines.

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You will notice that almost every border was drawn by British/Russians with little to no leave given to the natives. They [Europeans] drew the lines according to their own interests of the time. Yet today for some reason everybody wants to make much song and dance about the Durand Line. If and this is simple logic the Durand can be questioned then every other line can also be questioned. The entire South Asia would dissolve into sea of anarchy.

The argumant peddled about Durand that it divides one ethnic group is also applicable with as much vigour to the rest. The Anglo-Russian Boundary Commission Line running along the Amu darya on the northern Afghan border divides Tajiks in Afghanistan from Tajiks in Tajikistan. Abdullah Abdulla by rights should be resident of and asking to be part of greater Tajikistan. The same applies to Dostum and his Uzbeks who should be part of Uzbekistan. This also applies to Turkmenistan and Turkmen of Afghanistan. Then you have issue of Mongol Hazara in Hazarajat in central Afghanistan who should be given their own Shia state. Ditto for Nuristanis.

Those who keep harping on about Duran ignore this reality. I have also said same to Indians. The Ladakhi people of J & K are a Tibeten people are visibly are Chinese. They should by rights go to China. The Johnson Line should be dissolved because British forced it on the natives. Right now there is a stand off between the Chinese and Indians. The people in that region are Tibeto-Burmans and similar to Chinese. Should they not be considered a Sino people therefore McMahon Line should be dissolved. All this would lead to anarchy.

Ut is for this reason and pragmatism that we build up what we have. Not descend into chaos. Of course there is always a way of changing lines and that is military force. But in age of nuclear weapons I don't think that is very easy option to consider.

It is for this reason I find it hypocritical for people to talk non stop about Durand Line but entirely ignore all the rest of artificial lines in South Asia.

The hostility of Pakistani nationalists towards the word 'Afghan'
There is no hostility inmy discourse with the word "Afghan". On many occasions I have educated people here that "A" in Pakistan stands for "Afghan". However as you have already stated that today (2017) that term carries tow meaning (i) historical as ethnoym and (ii) modern as a nationality. The problem as you very well know Mian Babban and there is no way around this that there is for right or wrong of it (with regret) lot of hostility between Afgan state and Pakistan state which is often reflected in their respective people. So it is possible under this hostile climate people are going to throw invectives against Afghanistan within the meaning of (ii). How else are they supposed to express their thoughts since that term carries both meanings.

It's like people cuss Americans. You know Brazil, Mexico, Canada are also in the Americas. But when they cuss Americans they mean the USA.
 
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Awghanistan is persian name. Farsis call pashtuns afghans. Its not really proper identity.

Proper identity is pashtun, pathan, pakhtun.

Pukhtoon or Pashtun are the only correct term. Pathan is a name given to us by non-Pukhtoons. Also for other peoples general knowledge the word Afghan (as ethnicity not as a nationality) is synonym with the word Pukhtoon.

So just to make it easier for people to understand, my ethnicity is Pukhtoon/Afghan but my nationality is Pakistani. Hope that helps
 
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The hostility of Pakistani nationalists towards the word 'Afghan'
There is no hostility inmy discourse with the word "Afghan". On many occasions I have educated people here that "A" in Pakistan stands for "Afghan". However as you have already stated that today (2017) that term carries tow meaning (i) historical as ethnoym and (ii) modern as a nationality. The problem as you very well know Mian Babban and there is no way around this that there is for right or wrong of it (with regret) lot of hostility between Afgan state and Pakistan state which is often reflected in their respective people. So it is possible under this hostile climate people are going to throw invectives against Afghanistan within the meaning of (ii). How else are they supposed to express their thoughts since that term carries both meanings.

It's like people cuss Americans. You know Brazil, Mexico, Canada are also in the Americas. But when they cuss Americans they mean the USA.

Dostum is a dick but you offended now more than one billion people.
What. Why one billion? Which one billion?

Just to clarify from Rehmat Ali's "Now or Never" Pamphlet. He refers to NWFP as "Afghan".


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http://www.columbia.edu/itc/mealac/pritchett/00islamlinks/txt_rahmatali_1933.html
 
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There is no hostility inmy discourse with the word "Afghan". On many occasions I have educated people here that "A" in Pakistan stands for "Afghan". However as you have already stated that today (2017) that term carries tow meaning (i) historical as ethnoym and (ii) modern as a nationality. The problem as you very well know Mian Babban and there is no way around this that there is for right or wrong of it (with regret) lot of hostility between Afgan state and Pakistan state which is often reflected in their respective people. So it is possible under this hostile climate people are going to throw invectives against Afghanistan within the meaning of (ii). How else are they supposed to express their thoughts since that term carries both meanings.
I am not talking about that. Pakistani nationalists have issues with the word Afghan , obviously due to Afghanistan country, but due to nationalism, intolerance and bigotry they also expect Pakistani Pashtuns to not have any thing to do with the word Afghan. They are triggered and become hostile, "pack your bags and go to Afghanistan then" is their usual response when you insist that Afghan is just another word for Pashtun. At the same time they insist on calling us "Pathans", an Indian corruption of the word Pakhtana.
 
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I am not talking about that. Pakistani nationalists have issues with the word Afghan , obviously due to Afghanistan country, but due to nationalism, intolerance and bigotry they also expect Pakistani Pashtuns to not have any thing to do with the word Afghan. They are triggered and become hostile, "pack your bags and go to Afghanistan then" is their usual response when you insist that Afghan is just another word for Pashtun. At the same time they insist on calling us "Pathans", an Indian corruption of the word Pakhtana.
I know I agree with you there 100%. But we must fight that ignorance. History as a subject in Pakistan is full of fraud and distortions. To many Pakistani have no real understanding of histort and instead are brainwashed. To be fair to a degree this even applies to UK but in Pakistan they murdered and twisted history. For example Pakistan has only gained land once in it's history and that was in Kashmir. You know who the trail blazers were? It definitey was not Bihari runaways to Karachi who did that. So patience and brains will win in the end. I frankly am praying that IK wins and trust me I am not religious at all.
 
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@Kaptaan you have often claimed that pakistan has foolishly gifted Indus history to Indians based on simple name but wouldn't that stand true with Afghanistan as well. Look at the reaction on our own history. We hold majority pashtuns and majority historical pashtun lands yet we have given them the very essence of afghan just like we have given India the very essence of Indian. Is this also not wrong when so much of modern day Afghanistan was not even in original pushtun lands just like nearly nothing of India was in Indus.

Yes, this is correct. Ahmad Shah was born in Multan, and made Peshawar the winter capital. The earliest Pakhtuns (Kushans) were an empire centered around Peshawar. Hephthalites as well. Earlier references to Pakhtuns (Pactyans) were in the area of Gandhara. But they do have significant cities in Afghanistan too.

This is the Greater Iran (uniting all Iranic Races) and Greater India (uniting all Indic Races)
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concept of Greater Iran or India is nationalist concept of unifying all Ethinicities that belong to either Iranic or Indic fold into one Nation.

now tell me and why are you claiming Hindu Majority Jammu,Haryana, Punjab(dhrmic), gujarat and some parts of UP ?
is it Race ? AFAIK there is no Pakistani race like Indic,Iranic or Afghan.
is is culture ? pakistan is too diverse to for that.
is it Ancestry ? again pakistan itself is divided in to 2 different Races Indic and Iranic.

what is your base for claims on large Indian Lands ?

This explains why Indians and Iranians seem to jerk each other off every now and then... and why Iranians are hostile to Pakistan. You guys are living in this fantasy world.

That map is garbage. What part of Kashmir, and northern KPK (northern areas?), is "Indic"?

The hostility of Pakistani nationalists towards the word 'Afghan' is unwarranted and unnatural. The ones who came up with word 'Pakistan' (Chauhdry Rahmat Ali, Aslam Khattak and others) have clearly told us that 'A' in the word Pakistan stands for Afghania, the name they gave to then unnamed Frontier province. If the word Afghan bothers you, so should the word Pakistan. The word was invented by Chauhdri Rahmat Ali and co, and did not exist before them, so you have to accept their explanation.

This is unfortunate, and it's actually due to class discrimination. What you're saying is technically accurate. For most Pakistanis, the word Afghan conjures up the afghan refugees. The Pakistani Pakhtuns therefore like to distance themselves from them, because the refugees are poor. There's also the political situation of late that plays into this as well...but that's somewhat recent. India is the most garbage of garbage though. They'd happily be associated with Afghans, but indians are synonymous with absolute trash.
 
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