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Why Turkey does what it does.
The Syrian conflict is about to intensify
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turkey should take all the area and bring back all 3.6 million arab back to their homeland
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Allah swt protect Turkey from the nefarious designs of NATO.
The quicker they can conclude the operation the better.
The quicker they can conclude the operation the better.
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countries only work for their own interest.
I am shocked and want to know what is the interest to support terrorist organizations against Turkey?
On the other hands Kurd terrorists want separate country "Kurdistan" which consists on Iran, turkey, Iraq & Syria.
China, Russia Iran & Iraq are becoming biggest fools. There will no OBOR if US backed Kurds will be succeeded, there will be more 100 years of USA's hegemony.
To make safe zone by turkey is only harmful for USA's long term strategy. But why other countries are opposing this temporary idea of safe zone is beyond my comprehension.
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It's going to get a lot worse when Arab League arms Assad to fight assymetric war against Erdogan in Syria.
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NATO is clearly the threat here and they are the clear backers of YPG,as a means to hurt a strong, independent Muslim majority nation.
Regarding other stakeholders, Assad sees an opportunity to reclaim Kurdish territories by moving his troops there as the Kurds had no choice but to invite him. YPG would rather be uncomfortably governed by Assad than obliterated by Turkey. As soon as Assad picks the YPG as his allies, Iran and Russia are obliged to follow. China will naturally sympathise more with Russia than Turkey at this moment in history, even if it is slightly counterintuitive for Russia, Iran, China and Assad to suddenly be on the same page as NATO. There is an element of resistance by all these parties to "pan-Turkism", but that is secondary. The main trigger is the simple fact that Assad has openly and unsurprisingly sided with the YPG as a marriage of convenience to restore his territorial control - that set the dominoes off.
Turkey should immediately resettle the refugees and withdraw once objectives are quickly achieved, otherwise these NATO dogs will fund YPG terrorism against them under the guise of a "freedom struggle". We all know the drill here. Standard NATO duplicity. Their terrorists are suddenly noble freedom fighters. The biggest irony is of course that they now have to support Assad, though they can get away with indirect support only.
The one major major unknown here is actually Israel. It is not inconceivable that Israel will find itself having to bomb Assad or IRGC or Hezbollah in Syria to protect the Golan heights or limit Assad's gains. They would be uncomfortably close to having to keep the Kurds in check also as a consequence of this. Equally, Assad may expect Kurdish realignment against Israel as part of the bargain.
So either NATO has miscalculated seriously, or Turkey is walking into a dangerous trap.
I believe now that these events have all been orchestrated by NATO as a calculated gamble to attack Turkey.
The outcome depends on how quickly Turkey can achieve its objectives.
Of course, the one assumption here is that all is as it seems with the Shia alliance. I am assuming Assad and IRGC genuinely want the Golan and genuinely oppose Israel. Alternatively, they may all have been in cahoots for decades simply to keep Turkey down. But Tbh, I feel this conspiracy is less likely.
Regarding other stakeholders, Assad sees an opportunity to reclaim Kurdish territories by moving his troops there as the Kurds had no choice but to invite him. YPG would rather be uncomfortably governed by Assad than obliterated by Turkey. As soon as Assad picks the YPG as his allies, Iran and Russia are obliged to follow. China will naturally sympathise more with Russia than Turkey at this moment in history, even if it is slightly counterintuitive for Russia, Iran, China and Assad to suddenly be on the same page as NATO. There is an element of resistance by all these parties to "pan-Turkism", but that is secondary. The main trigger is the simple fact that Assad has openly and unsurprisingly sided with the YPG as a marriage of convenience to restore his territorial control - that set the dominoes off.
Turkey should immediately resettle the refugees and withdraw once objectives are quickly achieved, otherwise these NATO dogs will fund YPG terrorism against them under the guise of a "freedom struggle". We all know the drill here. Standard NATO duplicity. Their terrorists are suddenly noble freedom fighters. The biggest irony is of course that they now have to support Assad, though they can get away with indirect support only.
The one major major unknown here is actually Israel. It is not inconceivable that Israel will find itself having to bomb Assad or IRGC or Hezbollah in Syria to protect the Golan heights or limit Assad's gains. They would be uncomfortably close to having to keep the Kurds in check also as a consequence of this. Equally, Assad may expect Kurdish realignment against Israel as part of the bargain.
So either NATO has miscalculated seriously, or Turkey is walking into a dangerous trap.
I believe now that these events have all been orchestrated by NATO as a calculated gamble to attack Turkey.
The outcome depends on how quickly Turkey can achieve its objectives.
Of course, the one assumption here is that all is as it seems with the Shia alliance. I am assuming Assad and IRGC genuinely want the Golan and genuinely oppose Israel. Alternatively, they may all have been in cahoots for decades simply to keep Turkey down. But Tbh, I feel this conspiracy is less likely.
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Get real. The Arab League didn’t even fully condemn the Turkish operation, Qatar, Somalia & Algeria didn’t oppose it.
The problem only is the Gulf countries, but they already tried to arm terror groups when they tried to overthrow Assad, but they are a bunch of ignorant rulers with too much money and they lost then. Even they are not that stupid to arm Assad now.
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No they are not being fools its probably Turkey if they dont understand the risks involved if it goes well Turkey can resettle all the Syrians back but it will have mean restoring ties with the Assad regime and please dont give the b///lss..itt about him being a butcher or from different sect its all interests the Yanks are playing both the Kurds and Turks, Erdogan once after this operation should seriously retire and give the baton to level headed person
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The YPG overplayed their hand. Had they stuck to Kurdish majority regions they could have played the "we are only protecting ourselves card". By expanding into Arab and Christian/Assyrian majority regions they gave away their expansionist goals.
Anybody who argues that Turkey is overreacting clearly has no knowledge of a) the links between the YPG and the PKK and b) the terrorism campaign of the PKK against Turkish civilians. A strong and independent YPG on the border of Turkey is a clear give away of what would happen next.
Anybody who argues that Turkey is overreacting clearly has no knowledge of a) the links between the YPG and the PKK and b) the terrorism campaign of the PKK against Turkish civilians. A strong and independent YPG on the border of Turkey is a clear give away of what would happen next.
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That argument gone after Kurds reached a deal with Assad
Trump told Erdogan, in writing
don't be a tough guy, don't be a fool
and
History will look upon you forever as the devil if good things don't happen,
I don't want to be responsible for destroying the Turkish economy -- and I will, I've given you a little sample with respect to Pastor Brunson
“Moscow and Damascus have always maintained they are against any form of partition or illegal foreign presence in Syria.”
Moscow has managed to maintain contacts with all parties in the conflict, even in spite of its stance against partition and illegal foreign presence. Trilateral talks between Iran, Turkey and Russia occurred in Astana at Moscow’s urging.
Putin managed to bring together in Sochi the Syrian government and opposition groups to discuss the future of Syria. In Geneva, Moscow mediated between Damascus and the international community, shielding Syria from the diplomatic skulduggery of the US and other enemies of Syria.
Turkey, solely as a result of its defeat in Syria, now finds itself in active dialogue with Moscow and Tehran. As Ankara experiences worsening relations with Washington and other European capitals, Moscow saw a great opportunity to bring Turkey closer to Damascus.
Russia’s operation was complicated and required a lot of patience; but thanks to negotiations supervised by Russia, together with the bravery and courage of Syrian soldiers, almost all of the terrorist pockets scattered around Syria have been progressively overcome.
Other than the Idlib province, the main problem for Damascus lay with the US occupation in the northeast of the country, under the pretext of protecting the Kurds (SDF) from the “Assad regime”, as well as to “fight Daesh”.
Erdogan currently finds himself boxed in, squeezed in by a collapsing economy, threatened by his allies (the purchase of the Russian S-400 system irritated many in Washington and in NATO): he desperately needs to present some kind of victory to his base.
This may be the primary reason behind Erdogan’s decision to move into Syria under the pretense that the YPG is a terrorist organization linked with the PKK — proceeding to create a buffer zone on the border between Syria and Turkey and declaring “mission accomplished” to boost popularity ratings.
With Trump, he is desperate to shift attention away from the impeachment proceedings (a hoax), and similarly needs to present some kind of victory to his base. Why, what better way to do this than with a mini withdrawal of US troops from Syria, leaving the Kurds to their destiny (Trump’s care factor regarding SDF is minimal, as they are more connected to his political opponents in the Democratic Party), while claiming victory over Daesh for the umpteenth time in recent months?
Trump, with a handful of tweets directed against the Pentagon’s “crazy spending” and America’s past wars, finds himself and his base giving each other high fives on their commitment to the doctrine of “America First”.
Erdogan and Trump have also solved the embarrassing internal conflict within NATO between Turkey and the US, probably reestablishing personal relationships (the tough talk from the White House notwithstanding).
The agreement between the Kurds (SDF) and Damascus is the only natural conclusion to events that are heavily orchestrated by Moscow. The deployment of Syrian and Russian troops on the border with Turkey is the prelude to the reconquest of the entirety of Syrian territory — the outcome the Kremlin was wishing for at the beginning of this diplomatic masterpiece.
Washington and Ankara have never had any opportunities to prevent Damascus from reunifying the country. It was assumed by Moscow that Washington and Ankara would sooner or later seek the correct exit strategy, even as they proclaimed victory to their respective bases in the face of defeat in Syria. This is exactly what Putin and Lavrov came up with over the last few weeks, offering Trump and Erdogan the solution to their Syrian problems.
Trump will state that he has little interest in countries 7,000 miles from the homeland; and Erdogan (with some reluctance) will affirm that the border between Turkey and Syria, when held by the Syrian Arab Army, guarantees security against the Kurds.
Putin has no doubt advised Assad and the Kurds to begin a dialogue in the common interests of Syria. He would have no doubt also convinced Erdogan and Trump of the need to accept these plans.
An agreement that rewards Damascus and Moscow saves the Kurds while leaving Erdogan and Trump with a semblance of dignity in a situation that is difficult to explain to a domestic or international audience.
Moscow has started joint patrols with the Syrian Arab Army on the borders with Turkey for the purposes of preventing any military clashes between Ankara and Damascus. If Ankara halts its military operation in the coming days, Damascus will regain control of the oil fields.
The world will then have witnessed one of the greatest diplomatic masterpieces ever conceived, responsible for bringing closer the end of the seven-year-long Syrian conflict.
Moscow has managed to maintain contacts with all parties in the conflict, even in spite of its stance against partition and illegal foreign presence. Trilateral talks between Iran, Turkey and Russia occurred in Astana at Moscow’s urging.
Putin managed to bring together in Sochi the Syrian government and opposition groups to discuss the future of Syria. In Geneva, Moscow mediated between Damascus and the international community, shielding Syria from the diplomatic skulduggery of the US and other enemies of Syria.
Turkey, solely as a result of its defeat in Syria, now finds itself in active dialogue with Moscow and Tehran. As Ankara experiences worsening relations with Washington and other European capitals, Moscow saw a great opportunity to bring Turkey closer to Damascus.
Russia’s operation was complicated and required a lot of patience; but thanks to negotiations supervised by Russia, together with the bravery and courage of Syrian soldiers, almost all of the terrorist pockets scattered around Syria have been progressively overcome.
Other than the Idlib province, the main problem for Damascus lay with the US occupation in the northeast of the country, under the pretext of protecting the Kurds (SDF) from the “Assad regime”, as well as to “fight Daesh”.
Erdogan currently finds himself boxed in, squeezed in by a collapsing economy, threatened by his allies (the purchase of the Russian S-400 system irritated many in Washington and in NATO): he desperately needs to present some kind of victory to his base.
This may be the primary reason behind Erdogan’s decision to move into Syria under the pretense that the YPG is a terrorist organization linked with the PKK — proceeding to create a buffer zone on the border between Syria and Turkey and declaring “mission accomplished” to boost popularity ratings.
With Trump, he is desperate to shift attention away from the impeachment proceedings (a hoax), and similarly needs to present some kind of victory to his base. Why, what better way to do this than with a mini withdrawal of US troops from Syria, leaving the Kurds to their destiny (Trump’s care factor regarding SDF is minimal, as they are more connected to his political opponents in the Democratic Party), while claiming victory over Daesh for the umpteenth time in recent months?
Trump, with a handful of tweets directed against the Pentagon’s “crazy spending” and America’s past wars, finds himself and his base giving each other high fives on their commitment to the doctrine of “America First”.
Erdogan and Trump have also solved the embarrassing internal conflict within NATO between Turkey and the US, probably reestablishing personal relationships (the tough talk from the White House notwithstanding).
The agreement between the Kurds (SDF) and Damascus is the only natural conclusion to events that are heavily orchestrated by Moscow. The deployment of Syrian and Russian troops on the border with Turkey is the prelude to the reconquest of the entirety of Syrian territory — the outcome the Kremlin was wishing for at the beginning of this diplomatic masterpiece.
Washington and Ankara have never had any opportunities to prevent Damascus from reunifying the country. It was assumed by Moscow that Washington and Ankara would sooner or later seek the correct exit strategy, even as they proclaimed victory to their respective bases in the face of defeat in Syria. This is exactly what Putin and Lavrov came up with over the last few weeks, offering Trump and Erdogan the solution to their Syrian problems.
Trump will state that he has little interest in countries 7,000 miles from the homeland; and Erdogan (with some reluctance) will affirm that the border between Turkey and Syria, when held by the Syrian Arab Army, guarantees security against the Kurds.
Putin has no doubt advised Assad and the Kurds to begin a dialogue in the common interests of Syria. He would have no doubt also convinced Erdogan and Trump of the need to accept these plans.
An agreement that rewards Damascus and Moscow saves the Kurds while leaving Erdogan and Trump with a semblance of dignity in a situation that is difficult to explain to a domestic or international audience.
Moscow has started joint patrols with the Syrian Arab Army on the borders with Turkey for the purposes of preventing any military clashes between Ankara and Damascus. If Ankara halts its military operation in the coming days, Damascus will regain control of the oil fields.
The world will then have witnessed one of the greatest diplomatic masterpieces ever conceived, responsible for bringing closer the end of the seven-year-long Syrian conflict.
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Well , Turkey was the one who supported Iraqi kurd separation refrandum despite all Iran warning .... Later we had use force and intimidating Iraq central power to call the referendum illigall ....countries only work for their own interest.
I am shocked and want to know what is the interest to support terrorist organizations against Turkey?
On the other hands Kurd terrorists want separate country "Kurdistan" which consists on Iran, turkey, Iraq & Syria.
China, Russia Iran & Iraq are becoming biggest fools. There will no OBOR if US backed Kurds will be succeeded, there will be more 100 years of USA's hegemony.
To make safe zone by turkey is only harmful for USA's long term strategy. But why other countries are opposing this temporary idea of safe zone is beyond my comprehension.
For years we warned Turks about stopping arming Syrian rebels , si syran Central government can finish this mess but they refused ....
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I hope puppet Arab leaders and Assad clever than you because Turkey has proxy potential in the region more than every country and if we dont do something with proxies in other parts of the region not because we cant do it . If Assad moves this way, war never ends in Syria .
If he use proxies we use proxies. It is such as simple as we develop every weapon that proxies will need in the future.
One important change every Turkey's enemy to understand ,we have strategy to stop every enemy outside of our country's borders .For ethis aim we wont use old Turkey's methods which's not cepable to do operation abroad. Technology gives us more capacity to do it. Syria, Libya,Qatar are examples . If puppets want to the increase list they can do what you have said.
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Lol what a BS you are telling here, Turkey never supported independent KRG, in fact the only reason why Turkey didnt allow US to use Turkish soil for the invasion in 2003 is not to make KRG more independant than it already is.
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