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The S-400 Missile deal will make Pakistan's Nuclear Ballistic Missiles obsolete

Lol. One suggestion to you stop drinking whatever you are nowadays.
They will buy all these hi-tech weapons systems but still drink from the rear end of a cow.

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Guys Please give him a Thump Up:enjoy:

CBMs range from 15,00–21,000 MPH.

US Minuteman III and Russian RS-28 are around 15,000 mph

Chinese DF-41 is almost 20,000 mph

Russian RS-36 18,000 MPH

Do we really need to fire Ballistic missiles across the border?
Where else would you want to fire it?
 
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CBMs range from 15,00–21,000 MPH.

US Minuteman III and Russian RS-28 are around 15,000 mph

Chinese DF-41 is almost 20,000 mph

Russian RS-36 18,000 MPH

Its ICBM...
and your point is?? none of the missile you mentioned is Pakistani and Pakistan doesn't have any MIRV
Technically you can take down the incoming targets (leave the numbers abd decoys) an ABM is not going to chase a BM.... there're 3 chances to take down a BM.... you'll have 4-5 mins at the early stage.. and then in Space.. NAd india abd Pakistan being a neighbor if played correctly before the BM entering into space there's much more possibilities to take down the missile at the early stage..
 
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first AAD and PAD was going to make Pak capability obsolete(read that probably in this forum) now S-400 is going to make Pak capability obsolete.It looks like they produce something to make Pak capability obsolete everyday or every other day. :mad:
 
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These Indians monkeys wasted their nuke sub. These Indians cannot operate the S-400 system.

Besides, no missile defence system can guarantee to take out missiles raining down at an enormous high velocity. I'm not even going to enter the numerical debate here. The Indian monkeys are kidding themselves.
 
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Every ABM in the world is tested for non MIRV non maneuvering warheads.
The solutions are inexpensive and not very complicated.
Once the warhead has separated from PBV and settled into its final descend after course correction a small rocket at the back can fire at random.

Thing is the ABM system relies heavily on predicted position of incoming target.
If by the time the ABM S-400 missile reaches predicted target position and it's not there, not much can be done as both the ABM and target are too fast . The ABM cannot make a U turn or make a very large deviation. It will miss the target.
Man, that's amazing, why didn't you help your Chinese friends .. you could have saved billions for them.. anyways next time.. :enjoy:

In this world, everything has a match. Nothing is perfect.
Last time, I heard, India developed a shell tracking radar and deployed and they got the capability to track and destroy every shell fired towards India.
IMO, India should not be worried on LOC violations; but the so called invention seems to be just a wet dream, they have nothing or some incompetent system.
I guess, you were talking about Swathi - weapon locating radar -
https://www.armyrecognition.com/apr...i_weapon_locating_counter-battery_radars.html
 
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Its ICBM...
and your point is?? none of the missile you mentioned is Pakistani and Pakistan doesn't have any MIRV
Technically you can take down the incoming targets (leave the numbers abd decoys) an ABM is not going to chase a BM.... there're 3 chances to take down a BM.... you'll have 4-5 mins at the early stage.. and then in Space.. NAd india abd Pakistan being a neighbor if played correctly before the BM entering into space there's much more possibilities to take down the missile at the early stage..
Ababeel is mirv missile of Pakistan
 
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Lol I should say that S-400 deal mean China can set ADIZ over New Delhi, Modi and Indians Generals will have to beg Chinese S-400 operators the permission to land. India in past had begged Russia not to sell S-400 to China, seem like Russia gave India some bad taste for cozying with US...LMAO

And for my Pakistani friends don't worry China will eventually sell our version of S-400 which mean most of 400km northern India bordered with Pakistan will be a non fly zone for Indian airforce...be patient my friends.. we will get there :lol:

Which one? The one rejected by Turkey?

Ababeel is mirv missile of Pakistan

S 400 is capable of shooting down ababeel in Pakistan Sky.
 
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Loosers can mock winners because they can not match them.

India can only pick on smaller countries. When it faces countries of equal size, it loses every time.

So India need to stop being a bully to its smaller neighbors.

BTW, India wins only at boasting. That is why it’s sp12.
 
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with new air defence system our strategies and counter s400 system will also emerge. Israel quite easily defeated the so called best of that time Syrian air defences within hours.

no weapon can make our missile program absolute as solid fuel missiles are too fast and the distance of 400 km to target them too less for s400 to intercept. 60 km nasr will take seconds to hit the target. it won't give much reaction time to any air defence in the world to intercept any of our missile.
 
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just one question. China had already secured deal for S 400. if its so good system and can make ballistic missiles absolute, then why is India testing new missiles to deter China?
 
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no weapon can make our missile program absolute as solid fuel missiles are too fast and the distance of 400 km to target them too less for s400 to intercept. 60 km nasr will take seconds to hit the target. it won't give much reaction time to any air defence in the world to intercept any of our missile.
Depends upon detection mechanism and reaction time of system in question. Not wise to station ballistic missiles near border and they take time to reach a target.

S-400 systems will certainly upset strategic balance in the region.

This arms-race will get out of hand, if Pakistani economic woes are not fixed.

Russias s400 in Syria couldnt even stop a handful of Tomahawk missiles (80's technology) and Indias gutter press and journos think it can stop nuclear tipped missiles :lol:

After U.S. Strikes Syrian Air Base, Russians Ask: 'Where Were Our Vaunted s-400 Air Defense Systems?'
https://www.rferl.org/a/weher-was-the-s-300-s-400-missile-defense-systems/28417014.html
That is not the fault of S-400 system.

US has technological superiority over every country in reality. Russia and China are near-peer adversaries due to their capacity to strike at US mainland but not in conventional terms.

Tomahawk cruise missiles are very capable at present. Read about Block IV variant.

And it is quiet possible that US spoofed Russian defenses in the process.

Every ABM in the world is tested for non MIRV non maneuvering warheads.
My friend,

Perhaps you are not paying attention and unaware of the concept of "midcourse discrimination." Watch this video to understand the entire kill chain process:


The network is incredibly vast, sophisticated and powerful - unparalleled in capabilities.

GMD EKV [in itself] is extremely fast, maneuverable and equipped with multi-color electro-optical and infrared sensors to discriminate actual warhead from decoys [i.e. threat cloud phenomenon], get a lock on the warhead and collide with it.

The ICBM-class target that was intercepted in a live test in 2017 was actually MiRV'ed and the purpose of the test was to verify execution of "midcourse discrimination" protocols.

Writing is on the wall:

"This is the first full-fledged intercept test of the system since the successful intercept in June 2014 (FTG-06b). Dubbed “FTG-15,” today’s event involved an ICBM-range target launched from the Kwajalein Atoll. Multiple sensor systems, including space-based infrared satellites and likely an Aegis SPY-1 radar, detected the missile and tracked its location. The Sea-based X-band Radar (SBX) also surveilled the missile, providing high resolution imagery which allowed the GMD system to discriminate the missile’s warhead from its accompanying debris.

Using this data, a GBI was launched from Vandenberg AFB. Once in space, the GBI released its Exoatmospheric Kill Vehicle (EKV), which identified the warhead with its onboard electro-optical and infrared sensors, diverted into the warhead’s path, and collided with it."


Source: https://missilethreat.csis.org/gmd-intercept-mean/

Accompanying debris - interesting choice of words. These were the decoys (i.e. threat cloud phenomenon). The ICBM-class target was designed to simulate modern-era ICBM capability.

intercept.gif


In the video that they released for public consumption, they omitted lot of detail. Watch the aforementioned animation - it show you the complete picture.

44 GMD interceptors active as of 2018 [24/7 basis]. Their numbers will be expanded to 100 in near future.

I am actually surprised that MDA disclosed this much. There was no need.

Thing is the ABM system relies heavily on predicted position of incoming target.
And how do you know? Through some journalist piece? Journalists receive instructions from their bosses in regards to disclosure of information. Many are not aware of actual facts or keep mum. Spread of disinformation is [deliberate] sometimes, so the public and observers keep guessing.

So where was the aforementioned ICBM exactly heading that day?

Where-ever it was heading, the GMD network got a lock on it when it took-off (i.e. thermal signature), tracked its movement in real-time with a multi-layered setup of sensors (sea, land and space) and the EKV killed the actual warhead (or two EKVs killed two warheads) by getting a lock on it and maneuvering towards it with incredible speed.

Even if the warhead was maneuverable, it could not fool the EKV and/or outmaneuver it.

Please keep in mind that a maneuverable warhead does not behave like a thug trying to dodge cops in a Ford Mustang by changing lanes at every opportunity [mid-flight]. A warhead's maneuverability is to re-adjust its trajectory to a limited extent so that it can reach its target with better precision.

Do you think a Russian maneuverable warhead will change course and head back to Russia after getting a lock from a GMD EKV? :lol:

If by the time the ABM S-400 missile reaches predicted target position and it's not there, not much can be done as both the ABM and target are too fast . The ABM cannot make a U turn or make a very large deviation. It will miss the target.
S-400 is nowhere close to GMD network in tracking and killing targets. It is intended to kill TBM, SRBM and MRBM class targets at most. It might intercept a cruise missile as well but not verified. What it can kill, depends upon its detection mechanism in the end and range.

The solutions are inexpensive and not very complicated.
Once the warhead has separated from PBV and settled into its final descend after course correction a small rocket at the back can fire at random.
Solution is to find another method of ensuring strategic balance.

More bad news for missile enthusiasts; MOKV is under development and will be tested in the 2020s.

mokv_1021.jpg


An MOKV will carry multiple EKVs and will be able to intercept multiple ICBMs accordingly.

ICBMs will be obsolete at some point. Nuclear MAD will come to an end.
 
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India can only pick on smaller countries. When it faces countries of equal size, it loses every time.

Ya, We show that in Doklam.

So India need to stop being a bully to its smaller neighbors.

Ya we are learning it from china what to with small neighbors. We have example of Tibet, Taiwan, Vietnam in front of us. We an take it as a model to deal with small neighbors.
 
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Depends upon detection mechanism and reaction time of system in question. Not wise to station ballistic missiles near border and they take time to reach a target.

S-400 systems will certainly upset strategic balance in the region.

This arms-race will get out of hand, if Pakistani economic woes are not fixed.


That is not the fault of S-400 system.

US has technological superiority over every country in reality. Russia and China are near-peer adversaries due to their capacity to strike at US mainland but not in conventional terms.

Tomahawk cruise missiles are very capable at present. Read about Block IV variant.

And it is quiet possible that US spoofed Russian defenses in the process.


My friend,

Perhaps you are not paying attention and unaware of the concept of "midcourse discrimination." Watch this video to understand the entire kill chain process:


The network is incredibly vast, sophisticated and powerful - unparalleled in capabilities.

GMD EKV [in itself] is extremely fast, maneuverable and equipped with multi-color electro-optical and infrared sensors to discriminate actual warhead from decoys [i.e. threat cloud phenomenon], get a lock on the warhead and collide with it.

The ICBM-class target that was intercepted in a live test in 2017 was actually MiRV'ed and the purpose of the test was to verify execution of "midcourse discrimination" protocols.

Writing is on the wall:

"This is the first full-fledged intercept test of the system since the successful intercept in June 2014 (FTG-06b). Dubbed “FTG-15,” today’s event involved an ICBM-range target launched from the Kwajalein Atoll. Multiple sensor systems, including space-based infrared satellites and likely an Aegis SPY-1 radar, detected the missile and tracked its location. The Sea-based X-band Radar (SBX) also surveilled the missile, providing high resolution imagery which allowed the GMD system to discriminate the missile’s warhead from its accompanying debris.

Using this data, a GBI was launched from Vandenberg AFB. Once in space, the GBI released its Exoatmospheric Kill Vehicle (EKV), which identified the warhead with its onboard electro-optical and infrared sensors, diverted into the warhead’s path, and collided with it."




Accompanying debris - interesting choice of words. These were the decoys (i.e. threat cloud phenomenon). The ICBM-class target was designed to simulate modern-era ICBM capability.

intercept.gif


In the video that they released for public consumption, they omitted lot of detail. Watch the aforementioned animation - it show you the complete picture.

44 GMD interceptors active as of 2018 [24/7 basis]. Their numbers will be expanded to 100 in near future.

I am actually surprised that MDA disclosed this much. There was no need.


And how do you know? Through some journalist piece? Journalists receive instructions from their bosses in regards to disclosure of information. Many are not aware of actual facts or keep mum. Spread of disinformation is [deliberate] sometimes, so the public and observers keep guessing.

So where was the aforementioned ICBM exactly heading that day?

Where-ever it was heading, the GMD network got a lock on it when it took-off (i.e. thermal signature), tracked its movement in real-time with a multi-layered setup of sensors (sea, land and space) and the EKV killed the actual warhead (or two EKVs killed two warheads) by getting a lock on it and maneuvering towards it with incredible speed.

Even if the warhead was maneuverable, it could not fool the EKV and/or outmaneuver it.

Please keep in mind that a maneuverable warhead does not behave like a thug trying to dodge cops in a Ford Mustang by changing lanes at every opportunity [mid-flight]. A warhead's maneuverability is to re-adjust its trajectory to a limited extent so that it can reach its target with better precision.

Do you think a Russian maneuverable warhead will change course and head back to Russia after getting a lock from a GMD EKV? :lol:


S-400 is nowhere close to GMD network in tracking and killing targets. It is intended to kill TBM, SRBM and MRBM class targets at most. It might intercept a cruise missile as well but not verified. What it can kill, depends upon its detection mechanism in the end and range.


Solution is to find another method of ensuring strategic balance.

More bad news for missile enthusiasts; MOKV is under development and will be tested in the 2020s.

mokv_1021.jpg


An MOKV will carry multiple EKVs and will be able to intercept multiple ICBMs accordingly.

ICBMs will be obsolete at some point. Nuclear MAD will come to an end.

Good entertaining graphics.Have seen these before.MOKV is old concept. :D
Btw i am not interested in getting into these missile defense argument.i am just wondering if they have come up with something that can protect Seoul from those artillery. :enjoy:
 
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