The PAF is set to receive a batch of Egyptian Air Force Mirage-Vs

[litman]

it seems PAF has judged the situation well now. PAF is not wasting money on any new fourth gen platform. they are just maintaining and upgrading the existing ones. 4th gen jets are things of the past now. they are useful against poorly equipped enemy only. in case of pak -ind war neither of the two air forces can carry out deep strike into the enemy territory. it is even more difficult for PAF as we have lesser number of jets. with AWACS , SAMs and BVR capable jets defending an air space the whole of the aggressor force will be totally annihilated even before reaching their target specially during the early days of war. if God forbid a war breaks out today PAF must stay in its air space and they will carry out ground strikes close to the border. they wont make the mistake of going deeper. no 4th gen jet can do the job effectively now. the 26- 27 feb operations both by the IAF and PAF showed that both the air forces had to use a large no of air crafts in the strike package in order to carry out minor strikes close to the border . the IAF used everything at its disposal and manged to destroy only few trees. this is the worth of 4th gen jets today. i dont say that they are totally useless today but only the fifth gen jets can effectively neutralize the enemy both in the air and on the ground today. so PAF must focus on getting a couple of squadrons of fifth gen jets . the 4th gen jets will only be able to inflict damage to the enemy force under the umbrella of fifth gen jets. so a combination of fifth gen jet, F-16s, JFTs and upgraded mirages will be sufficient to meet our requirments in near future. If JFT can replace the mirage in ground strike role it will be a great benefit. full scale war between india and pak is unlikely and if it happened then we wont be needing jets as the whole region will be totally destroyed.

 

[Zarvan]

it seems PAF has judged the situation well now. PAF is not wasting money on any new fourth gen platform. they are just maintaining and upgrading the existing ones. 4th gen jets are things of the past now. they are useful against poorly equipped enemy only. in case of pak -ind war neither of the two air forces can carry out deep strike into the enemy territory. it is even more difficult for PAF as we have lesser number of jets. with AWACS , SAMs and BVR capable jets defending an air space the whole of the aggressor force will be totally annihilated even before reaching their target specially during the early days of war. if God forbid a war breaks out today PAF must stay in its air space and they will carry out ground strikes close to the border. they wont make the mistake of going deeper. no 4th gen jet can do the job effectively now. the 26- 27 feb operations both by the IAF and PAF showed that both the air forces had to use a large no of air crafts in the strike package in order to carry out minor strikes close to the border . the IAF used everything at its disposal and manged to destroy only few trees. this is the worth of 4th gen jets today. i dont say that they are totally useless today but only the fifth gen jets can effectively neutralize the enemy both in the air and on the ground today. so PAF must focus on getting a couple of squadrons of fifth gen jets . the 4th gen jets will only be able to inflict damage to the enemy force under the umbrella of fifth gen jets. so a combination of fifth gen jet, F-16s, JFTs and upgraded mirages will be sufficient to meet our requirments in near future. If JFT can replace the mirage in ground strike role it will be a great benefit. full scale war between india and pak is unlikely and if it happened then we wont be needing jets as the whole region will be totally destroyed.

4.5 Generation Jets are not going anywhere for next 30 to 35 years at least. And PAF will go for at least one 4.5th Generation before looking for 5th Generation

 

[The Eagle]

while we confuse them with arrival of grandpa mirages, indians are awaiting the actual delivery of rafaels-

Who knows what's happening. They can take deliveries and this side will keep up with everything that counters the threat and so confuse them.

No more 4th gen fighters apart from what we operate to boost numbers. What is coming with Azm will be the “new” jet.

Kuch keh bhi dia aur chup bhi rahay.

 

[SQ8]

Sir if it's all part of misinformation what should we take your claim on no more new 4th Generation jet seriously ???

“New” means new platform.
Not what we already operate.

On this planet only Pakistanis would be celebrating that we are procuring more of this junk.

It is the same Junk that successfully penetrated a fairly sophisticated ADGE to guide a weapon well into the target, then made it out of there pretty intact.

The effectiveness of a platform that matters and specifically how little it takes to add capability.

 

[YeBeWarned]

“New” means new platform.
Not what we already operate.


It is the same Junk that successfully penetrated a fairly sophisticated ADGE to guide a weapon well into the target, then made it out of there pretty intact.

The effectiveness of a platform that matters and specifically how little it takes to add capability.

how true is this news of M2k's from Egypt is ?

 

[SQ8]

how true is this news of M2k's from Egypt is ?

As true as Asif Zardari being completely uninvolved in corruption.

 

[YeBeWarned]

As true as Asif Zardari being completely uninvolved in corruption.

LOL that example ... I guess except for a minor chance of used/New F-16s, no other planes would be joining the PAF until project Azm comes to life .

 

[Pandora]

It is the same Junk that successfully penetrated a fairly sophisticated ADGE to guide a weapon well into the target, then made it out of there pretty intact.

The effectiveness of a platform that matters and specifically how little it takes to add capability.

Dude no matter how you paint it its an obsolete platform. We are still using it bcz we have no other option for now but lets not paint it as some next gen aircraft which performs amazingly. We call Indian Migs 21 flying coffins but in comparison our mirages are nothing less than graves.

 

[Tameem]

No more 4th gen fighters apart from what we operate to boost numbers. What is coming with Azm will be the “new” jet.

Is the "New" jet considered 4.5th Generation?

 

[Mighty Lion]

lack of engine means even those wont happen..

bottom line mirage 3/5 is PAF jaguars..and will go by 2030..so acquiring used for spares is perfectly okay..

i doubt PAF is desperate for these, if Egypt doesn't want to sell, PAF will walk away

the platforms we got from libya, Jordan etc had many many hours on them..

with 20+ jf-17s b3 rolling from next year and all f7s already gone(except for the new PGs) PAF would easily replace these by 2025-2030

Off topic but your info is incorrect. Darin 3 upgraded Jaguars will remain in service till 2038

“The HAL will upgrade 56 Jaguars to DARIN-III standard, and the project will be completed by 2024,” an official told The Hindu. "These will remain in operational service till 2038", he added.

 

[Bilal Khan 777]

Nice package to sustain PAF Mirages till 2025.

 

[Hassan Guy]

How many more years will the Mirage remain in service?

PAF:

 

[_NOBODY_]

Nice package to sustain PAF Mirages till 2025.

Welcome back sir.

 

[khanasifm]

Nice package to sustain PAF Mirages till 2025.

Fokes as far as I know there is no official or otherwise confirmation just speculations based on c-130

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Correct

 

[The Maverick]

Your mirage 5 will be of use as bomb truck.
And even then in your own airspace if you still have air superiority in your side of loc.

The mirage 5 would be useless against any one of India.s principle fighters be it su30 mki. Mig29 up mirage2000 Rafale or Tejas. In a dog fight or bvr fight

As for those referring jaguar they will operate as strike only were we maintain air supremacy as cas or x strike package flanked by air superiority fighters.

We would losing pilots