The Only Way to World Peace is an Islamic Union

[kalu_miah]

Nothing against ECO,D-8 not possible(Egypt(Sisi) and Turkiye(Erdogan)wouldnt want to work with each other).

Rulers will come and go. Because of Sisi, Egypts participation may be affected or downgraded somewhat, but I don't think it will be stopped totally and the D-8 organization will keep making progress as a whole.

I will ask another question. Do you think Egypt and KSA will hesitate to buy TAI Anka and Altay MBT, when they are in full production and also when the engines are designed and developed in house in Turkey?

 

[T-123456]

Rulers will come and go. Because of Sisi, Egypts participation may be affected or downgraded somewhat, but I don't think it will be stopped totally and the D-8 organization will keep making progress as a whole.

I will ask another question. Do you think Egypt and KSA will hesitate to buy TAI Anka and Altay MBT, when they are in full production and also when the engines are designed and developed in house in Turkey?

They will never buy Turkish again as long as Erdogan is in charge.

 

[kalu_miah]

For D-8, a objection from my side either. There'll be a zero level co-op in present conditions. Thus, I dont see much national gains at all in there.

If you have objection to D-8, you should take it up with your own govt., as it is hosting D-8 mission in Istanbul:

http://www.developing8.org/Contact.aspx
Maya Akar Center Buyukdere
Cadde 100-102
Kat:12, Daire:50
Esentepe 34394 Istanbul, Turkey
Tel : +90 (212) 356 18 23
+90 (212) 356 18 24
Fax : +90 (212) 356 18 29

http://www.developing8.org/About.aspx
D-8, also known as Developing-8, is an organization for development cooperation among the following countries: Bangladesh, Egypt, Indonesia, Iran, Malaysia, Nigeria, Pakistan and Turkey.

The establishment of D-8 was announced officially through the Istanbul Declaration of Summit of Heads of State/Government on June 15, 1997.

The objectives of D-8 Organization for Economic Cooperation are to improve member states’ position in the global economy, diversify and create new opportunities in trade relations, enhance participation in decision-making at international level, and improve standards of living.

D-8 is a global arrangement rather than a regional one, as the composition of its members reflects. Organization for Economic Cooperation (D-8) is a forum with no adverse impact on bilateral and multi-lateral commitments of the member countries, emanating from their membership to other international or regional organizations.

Dr. Seyed Ali Mohammad Mousavi from Iran is currently the Secretary General of the D-8 Organization with its Secretariat based in Istanbul-Turkey.

Idea Behind D-8 Establishment
The idea of cooperation among major Muslim developing countries was mooted by Dr. Necmettin Erbakan, the then Prime Minister of Turkey, during a Seminar on “Cooperation in Development” which was held in Istanbul in October 1996. The group envisioned cooperation among countries stretching from South East Asia to Africa. Representatives from Bangladesh, Egypt, Indonesia, Iran, Malaysia, Nigeria and Pakistan attended the Seminar. This conference was the first step towards the establishment of D-8 and it was only after a series of preparatory meetings that D-8 was set up officially and began its activities with the Istanbul Declaration issued at the end of the summit of Heads of State and Government held in Istanbul on June 15, 1997.

http://www.developing8.org/MissionStatement.aspx
According to the first Summit Declaration (Istanbul, 1997), the main objective of D-8 is declared to be socio-economic development in accordance with following principles:
-Peace instead of conflict.
-Dialogue instead of confrontation.
-Cooperation instead of exploitation.
-Justice instead of double-standard.
-Equality instead of discrimination.
-Democracy instead of oppression.

Thus D-8 objectives are to improve developing countries’ positions in the world economy, diversify and create new opportunities in trade relations, enhance participation in decision-making at the international level, and provide better standard of living.

By the same token, D-8 is a forum with no adverse impact on bilateral and multi-lateral commitments of the member countries, emanating from their membership to other regional or international organizations.

The following three phrases are quotations from the D-8 fifth Summit Declaration (Bali, 2006) which illustrates some application of the principle objectives:
-We commit ourselves to work together to solve the problem of economic disparities within our countries.
-We reaffirm our commitment to enhance cooperation in the field of energy to develop alternative and renewable energy resources.
-We emphasize the importance of D-8 in contributing to the economic development of its member countries and ensure that it promotes global trade.

http://www.developing8.org/Secretary.aspx
Dear Visitor,

Welcome to the official website of the Developing 8 Organization for Economic Cooperation (D-8). You will find an abundance of information about the main activities of the Organization as well as its official documents which constitute the framework of the D-8 activities. Please take time to browse through them and find out for yourself how this young Organization has endeavored from its inception in 1997 to promote cooperation among its 8 Member Countries in a variety of areas. We, at the Secretariat, are keen to provide the latest information on different aspects of the D-8 activities and will be pleased to receive your feedback - comments, criticisms and proposals which would certainly help improve the website and our work at the Organization.

Dr. Seyed Ali-Mohammad Mousavi, Iran

Born in 1967 in Iran(YAZD Province), received his Bachelor's degree in Political Science from the Imam Sadegh University (Tehran, Iran), MA degree in International Relations from the Imam Sadegh University (Tehran, Iran), and PhD in Strategic Management from the National Supreme Defense University (Tehran, Iran). Dr. Seyed Ali-Mohammad Mousavi had served in a number of Intergovernmental positions in Iran and enjoys experience in multilateral cooperation. He served as the Director-General for International Economic Cooperation, Ministry of Foreign Affairs, Tehran, Iran before assuming his post as the Secretary-General of the D-8. He was also previously engaged as the Permanent Representative of the Islamic Republic of Iran to the Economic Cooperation Organization (ECO), and the former D-8 Commissioners of the Islamic Republic of Iran to the Developing 8 Countries.

He has published a number research papers in the field of Energy , Political Economy, Strategic Management, Global Economy, Human Rights and Socio-economic.

 

[Hiptullha]

Religion has its place and its once private life.

It doesn't need to be in public for there to be an Islamic bloc. RCD and cooperation between Muslim states during '60s and '70s was done by secular and progressive governments.

 

[Kompromat]

If you could have read the ()'ed part, you wouldn't have said that yara..as i said there nor we or them want Turkey in . period

The fact is that you are unwilling to join a Muslim Union which doesn't exist yet but you want to join a Christian Union which won't accept you because you are Muslim.

 

[Hiptullha]

Those Muslims nations are successful because they did not think religion is the ultimate thing to bring peace but who ever thought it otherwise, their situation is self evident....

I'm sorry, but your comment is loaded with ignorance. Iraq and Afghanistan? They've been in conflict for SEVERAL decades. There have been coups, wars, ideological conflicts and foreign occupations with the two superpowers using their proxies to take control of the country. Pakistan? We're also facing a sort of a crisis. We were facing a crisis, before Islamic militancy too. Remember the Leftist separatists in Balochistan and Khyber Pakhtunwa? Remember how we were facing opposition from Afghanistan, and USSR over Pakthunistan? You've proved how short-sighted you are by forgetting this. You've proved how indoctrinated you are by solely blaming religion. This is no real religious war going on. It's a shifting of powers. First, we were facing the USSR, and thus we had leftists and communists vying for control. Now we're in the middle of a greater war where the US is using it's proxies (Islamic funamentalists) to counter influence from Russia.

 

[kalu_miah]

Let us be very clear with our objective..Our issue is with Pakistan not with Islam....We are dealing with many Islamic nations and we do not have problems....So if also Pakistan would have any other religion expcept Muslim nations, India would have supported Pakistan rebel in BD to break up Pakistan as it serves our national and security interest at that point of time..

So if you would like to assume something else it is a different issue, again, focous on Musims people respecting your same Muslim people ....You can take example of India and BD but what about entire middle east?....Why the Gulf Arab nations are developing where as rest of the Islamic world is struggling among each other? It is because those Muslim world who has focoussed on eductaion, technology and increasing the quality of life of its citizen are developing...And those nation who pursure Jihadi ideology there are struggling ....Take example of SA,UAE,Indonesia and even BD and compare it with Afganistan,Pakistan,Iraq and other warring Muslim nation....Those Muslims nations are successful because they did not think religion is the ultimate thing to bring peace but who ever thought it otherwise, their situation is self evident....

The only reason there was partition in 1947 is because of religious difference, so it is disingenuous at best to say that your nation do not have problem with Islam and Muslims. Let us not venture into hypothetical, what we are dealing with is reality on the ground. You found a way to break the largest Muslim nation on earth, and you have done it for your own interest, credit to you. So Hindu's due to their long history with Islam and Muslims consider any unity effort among Muslims as their existential threat, a sentiment they share with Israel and Zionists of the world.

Gulf Arab nations develop because of oil wealth, only ones you can give credit to are nations such as Turkey, Indonesia and to some extent Malaysia, who are developing because of their hard work.

The root of Jihadi ideology is Salafism that spread among Muslims due to petro dollar of Gulf states.

 

[Hiptullha]

The fact is that you are unwilling to join a Muslim Union which doesn't exist yet but you want to join a Christian Union which won't accept you because you are Muslim.

I think you're wrong in saying the EU is a Christian union. It is very progressive and liberal. And anyway, conservatives in Europe are in favour of Russia over Europe as they see Putin as a more traditional and "Christian" person.

 

[jbond197]

Two questions :

1. Where would this Islamic Union be located?

2. Will all the Muslims around the world move to this Islamic Union?

 

[Kaniska]

The only reason there was partition in 1947 is because of religious difference, so it is disingenuous at best to say that your nation do not have problem with Islam and Muslims. Let us not venture into hypothetical, what we are dealing with is reality on the ground. You found a way to break the largest Muslim nation on earth, and you have done it for your own interest, credit to you. So Hindu's due to their long history with Islam and Muslims consider any unity effort among Muslims as their existential threat, a sentiment they share with Israel and Zionists of the world.

Gulf Arab nations develop because of oil wealth, only ones you can give credit to are nations such as Turkey, Indonesia and to some extent Malaysia, who are developing because of their hard work.

The root of Jihadi ideology is Salafism that spread among Muslims due to petro dollar of Gulf states.

It is nothing hypotheitical as you see..Of course. you are correct with your own perception...But India will secure its own intrests for its citizens and take corrective action when needed...India does not differentiate nation like Pakistan and Nepal or BD based on religion rather based on its intrests..If India needs to take any action in Hindu majority Nepal too, India will take it....Now it is up to understand based on your perception..

And relating to the post of Islamic Union, the reason why Indian posters and in specific to me, i mentioned because it is void of any substance and ground reality....Every idea should be based on some assumption but your assumption is void...You can clearly see in this foroum itself who are the people who are advocating for Islamic Union. It is Pakstan,BD and to some extent may be war torn countries that has not seen much development recently...If you have seem Arab nations posters do not see the necessity of Islamic Union because for they are doing fine with their development process and so also TurlKy and Indonesia....So none of the developed Islamic nation would like to get associated with your block because they are not getting any additional benefit of it..

Bottomline is develped nation would like to ally with more developed nation than themselves rather than less developed nation..This is a trend not only for Muslim union but for Individual nation too....

 

[Kompromat]

I think you're wrong in saying the EU is a Christian union. It is very progressive and liberal. And anyway, conservatives in Europe are in favour of Russia over Europe as they see Putin as a more traditional and "Christian" person.

It is precisely what i stated. A Christian union, though not formally governed by Christianity since Christianity doesn't have a governance system. Entry of non Christian states is barred.

Is the European Union a ‘Christian club’? | euronews, u talk
BBC NEWS | Europe | Turkey entry 'would destroy EU'

 

[kalu_miah]

It is nothing hypotheitical as you see..Of course. you are correct with your own perception...But India will secure its own intrests for its citizens and take corrective action when needed...India does not differentiate nation like Pakistan and Nepal or BD based on religion rather based on its intrests..If India needs to take any action in Hindu majority Nepal too, India will take it....Now it is up to understand based on your perception..

And relating to the post of Islamic Union, the reason why Indian posters and in specific to me, i mentioned because it is void of any substance and ground reality....Every idea should be based on some assumption but your assumption is void...You can clearly see in this foroum itself who are the people who are advocating for Islamic Union. It is Pakstan,BD and to some extent may be war torn countries that has not seen much development recently...If you have seem Arab nations posters do not see the necessity of Islamic Union because for they are doing fine with their development process and so also TurlKy and Indonesia....So none of the developed Islamic nation would like to get associated with your block because they are not getting any additional benefit of it..

Bottomline is develped nation would like to ally with more developed nation than themselves rather than less developed nation..This is a trend not only for Muslim union but for Individual nation too....

That is why I call Indians delusional, what do you call efforts like D-8 and ECO then? What are they doing? Why are countries like Turkey, Kazakhstan, Indonesia and Malaysia members in these organizations?

 

[XenoEnsi-14]

The fact is that you are unwilling to join a Muslim Union which doesn't exist yet but you want to join a Christian Union which won't accept you because you are Muslim.

Who gives a crap about what a religious figure says in the EU, the EU is secular and doesn't have an official religion. Turkey can join the EU if it wants to and the EU should accept them, I don't see why Turkey couldn't.

 

[shuntmaster]

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Instead of turning to foreign powers for aid, Muslim countries can rely on eachother for help. I've noticed that many countries in the ME which have turned to the US or USSR for support had to carry out orders and directives which were in some cases detrimental to themselves. If we can have mutual assistance then we won't suffer as much. I still find a pan-Afro-Asiatic union much more attractive.

I hope you realize that if and when Muslim gang up into some kind of an union, there will be a natural reaction for the rest of the world to gang up against that union. Can the Muslim world afford this? For ex. if the world Muslim union starts to get involved in conflict areas like Kashmir, Xinjiang or Chechnya, then India, China and Russia will naturally come together to fight it.

 

[Hiptullha]

It is precisely what i stated. A Christian union, though not formally governed by Christianity since Christianity doesn't have a governance system. Entry of non Christian states is barred.

Is the European Union a ‘Christian club’? | euronews, u talk
BBC NEWS | Europe | Turkey entry 'would destroy EU'

Opposition doesn't mean anything.
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These 2 predominantly Muslim countries are also close to becoming EU members.