The Only Way to World Peace is an Islamic Union

[Kaniska]

Not at all my intention, I want to know what ground realities are for you. Since all you can talk about in bashing this Union, is some Boko Haram ISIl, ISIS, which are barely a hundred thousand in total (with no known origins or backings), compared to the 1.6 billion Muslims that you know nothing about and who want a Union of theirs.

Now you makes sense...Agreed...Again...I resepct many Muslim nations who are really deserve respect like GCC, Turkey,Indonesia and Malaysia to some extent......And again, we know about those hundred thousand Musims who are alligned with terrorist group because none of the same Muslim voice does not come up and stand against them...If you see the politics of the Muslim world, apart from Gulf countries and some other Muslim countries that i have mentioned, rest of the Muslim world population is always supporive of these Jihadist elements....So if you are referencing about Muslim population of good countries like GCC, even Iran, Indonesia and Malaysia and Turkey, your argument is good...But if you start considering rest of the Muslim world, people are supportive of these Jihadi group....

Personally I do not blame you for our fate, you have done your job to break the enemy nation in 2 and it is your job to abuse and terrorize us the enemy. But I need to point out these facts because we Muslims need to learn from our past mistakes. Sorry if that brings up unpleasant facts about your nation.



What useful idiots are you talking about? Please clarify.

Kalu...Nothing to say Sorry about..My argument is never personal...Because you are always an interesting poster for me..You are some one to whom i always likes to read about because of your knowledge and also i like to argue with you because i feel that it makes sense for to inform my view point to a learned person from other group...

Yes, i do not mind learning unpleasant truth..It is nothing new to me that i do not know about my country...

 

[WAR-rior]

Personally I do not blame you for our fate, you have done your job to break the enemy nation in 2 and it is your job to abuse and terrorize us the enemy. But I need to point out these facts because we Muslims need to learn from our past mistakes. Sorry if that brings up unpleasant facts about your nation.



What useful idiots are you talking about? Please clarify.

Instead of so much crying, Why dont you start an organization for 'Annexation into Pakistani'. Serves your agenda.

 

[The SC]

Um, no. This is "Muslim tolerance" in which you can do (religiously) what the Muslim rulers tell you to do, at best. The millet system in the Ottoman empire assigned you a religion based on the community you were from, and you had no personal say in the matter. That is not freedom of religion or conscious by any stretch. Taking 20% of the male children and forcing them to convert is not freedom of anything. Don't brag about that, be ashamed.

Religious liberty means the right to decide for yourself what you believe, not have it told to you by the state, in any form. It is between you and God. This is not the case in any Muslim country, including modern Turkey. Modern Turkey gives lesser rights to even minority Muslim sects. Non-Muslims will have their parentage checked before being allowed to enroll in non-Muslim schools. Etc, etc, etc.

Muslims apparently just have a different definition of "tolerance" than the rest of the world. Call me when you find a predominantly Muslim nation that believes and practices equality between persons, irrespective of religion. That doesn't mean you allow them to do xyz, it means they can pick their religion, change religions at will, and there are no legal consequences for it. Further, the law does not ignore offenses against them because of their religious beliefs. The state doesn't take their property, or tax them differently. Their houses of worship aren't turned into mosques. They aren't killed as devil worshipers, and so on and so forth.

And, importantly, Muslims can decide to not be Muslim.

I can say the same about the US, you are predominantly Christians and you have all the minoriyties under watch.
Freedom has its limits, you trasgress the law and you get punished be it in Muslim countries or elsewhere. Muslim religious tolerance is well documented by the most prominent scholars of the West and the East, so what you think of it has no value in reality.
Another thing is that even with the millet system that you confuse with governing by law the whole population, including the minorities, is that you forget that your crusader ancestors used to kill everyone , at least the Muslims took kids from poor families and gave them the chance to become... rulers of Islamic states in many instances. And you think without shame about Muslim rule.
Talk about some democracy...
In brief, the Muslims have civilized the West, go ask your best European and American scholars about that.

 

[Kaniska]

I can say the same about the US, you are predominantly Christians and you have all the minoriyties under watch.
Freedom has its limits, you trasgress the law and you get punished be it in Muslim countries or elsewhere. Muslim religious tolerance is well document by themost prominent scholars of the west and the East, so what you think of it has no value in reality.
Another thing is that even with the millet system that you confuse with governing by law the whole population, including the minorities, is that you forget that your crusader ancestors used to kill everyone , at least the Muslims took kids from poor families and gave them the chance to become... rulers of Islamic states in many instances. And you think without shame about Muslim rule.
Talk about some democracy...
In brief, the Muslims have civilized the West, go ask your best European and American scholars about that.

You may be true...but coming to present scenario, who are the Muslim countries that practice simillar kind of freedom that West has provided to others? ....

 

[The SC]

Now you makes sense...Agreed...Again...I resepct many Muslim nations who are really deserve respect like GCC, Turkey,Indonesia and Malaysia to some extent......And again, we know about those hundred thousand Musims who are alligned with terrorist group because none of the same Muslim voice does not come up and stand against them...If you see the politics of the Muslim world, apart from Gulf countries and some other Muslim countries that i have mentioned, rest of the Muslim world population is always supporive of these Jihadist elements....So if you are referencing about Muslim population of good countries like GCC, even Iran, Indonesia and Malaysia and Turkey, your argument is good...But if you start considering rest of the Muslim world, people are supportive of these Jihadi group....

It is all about the economic inequalities, the more or highest they are the more support these guys get, the better the economies are the less support they get, as you can see it yourself from your own post.

You may be true...but coming to present scenario, who are the Muslim countries that practice simillar kind of freedom that West has provided to others? ....

Many, you should get familiar with them and their political systems, most of them have minorities represented in parliament.

 

[kalu_miah]

@Kaniska GCC is not the paragon of virtue. Salafi doctrine (including Qutbism) + petrodollar = spread of extremism throughout Muslim world

As for support of extremism, this has increased because of almost 100 billion dollars or more used for spreading Salafi doctrine by GCC nations. Even after all that this is the result:
Concerns about Islamic Extremism on the Rise in Middle East | Pew Research Center's Global Attitudes Project
Muslim Publics Share Concerns about Extremist Groups | Pew Research Center's Global Attitudes Project

Intolerant Salafi doctrine and its spread due to petro dollar has been the single biggest disaster that befell the Muslim world, that destabilized our societies and countries and ruined our reputation on world stage.

 

[A.P. Richelieu]

The Only Way to World Peace is an Islamic Union

The situation may be summarized as follows. Israel's aim, is to reshape the Middle East in line with its own strategic interests. In order to do this, it needs a "world power." That power is the United States, and Israeli hawks, thanks to their influence there, are trying to wage a militant American strategy against the Islamic world. Although Israel is a small state with a population of only 4.5 million, the plans drawn up by Israeli strategists and their counterparts in the West are directing the world affairs.
a deep rooted solution lies in a project which can resolve all the problems between the Islamic world and the West and deal with the fragmentation, suffering and poverty in the Islamic world and totally alter it. An Islamic Union. Recent developments have shown that the whole world, not just Islamic regions, stands in need of an "Islamic Union." This Union should heal the radical elements in the Islamic World, and establish good relations between Muslim countries and the West, especially the United States.

This Union, can find a solution to the mother of all problems, "The Arab-Israeli conflict". With Israel retreating to its pre-67 borders and Arabs recognizing its right to exist, there can be real peace in the Middle East. And Jews and Muslims, both Children of Abraham and believers in one true God may peacefully co-exist in the Holy Land, as they have done during the past centuries. Then, Israel would not need a strategy to destabilize or divide the Arab States. And it will not have to face the results of occupation in forms of terrorism and constant fear of annihilation. Then, both the Israeli and Iraqi (and Palestinian) children may grow up in peace and security. That is a Middle East that any sane person should work to see.

Arabs revolted against the Ottoman Empire, so if they admit their mistake, and ask Erdogan to be readmitted
into Turkey, under Erdogans rule, You are already halfway done.

 

[Kaniska]

@Kaniska GCC is not the paragon of virtue. Salafi doctrine (including Qutbism) + petrodollar = spread of extremism throughout Muslim world

As for support of extremism, this has increased because of almost 100 billion dollars or more used for spreading Salafi doctrine by GCC nations. Even after all that this is the result:
Concerns about Islamic Extremism on the Rise in Middle East | Pew Research Center's Global Attitudes Project
Muslim Publics Share Concerns about Extremist Groups | Pew Research Center's Global Attitudes Project

Intolerant Salafi doctrine and its spread due to petro dollar has been the biggest disaster that befell the Muslim world, that destabilized our societies and countries and ruined our reputation on world stage.

I agree with you...But you are not understanding my point....I agree that it is alleged that they spread radicalism but it is also true that GCC always takes care of their citizen seriously....They invest in education, Technology and other things that give them long run benifit...My point is that they are smart nations....even petro dollar is with Syria, Iran and Iraq too...why they are not as successful as GCC nations? You might blame them they are ally of West but if you see other side of the coin, they are ally of the West because they feel that being ally of the West provides them more economic benefit than just uniting with other Muslim nations for religious cause....So bottomline is they are smart enough to ally with any one who provides benifit to their citizen, but other Muslim nations accepts aid from them and go in the opposite way...

 

[kalu_miah]

I agree with you...But you are not understanding my point....I agree that it is alleged that they spread radicalism but it is also true that GCC always takes care of their citizen seriously....They invest in education, Technology and other things that give them long run benifit...My point is that they are smart nations....even petro dollar is with Syria, Iran and Iraq too...why they are not as successful as GCC nations? You might blame them they are ally of West but if you see other side of the coin, they are ally of the West because they feel that being ally of the West provides them more economic benefit than just uniting with other Muslim nations for religious cause....So bottomline is they are smart enough to ally with any one who provides benifit to their citizen, but other Muslim nations accepts aid from them and go in the opposite way...

While I agree that they have taken good care of their citizen, specially compared to Iran, which is totally corrupt and has even more idiotic policy of Shia extremism, Syria did not have much oil and Saddam's Iraq was more developed and educated than any GCC nation before he started war with Iran, if I am not mistaken.

I would disagree that GCC rulers are smart and far sighted. Yes the Monarch's are better than the dictators like Assad or Saddam, but unlike those secular bathists, these people and their wealthy compatriots used their oil wealth to spread their intolerant Salafi doctrine. It is actually worse than Shia proselytizing, because that enemy we Sunni's can see, but Salafi's hide behind the garb of Sunni Muslims, whereas they are anything but. So they are sort of a cloaked enemy in stealth mode for the Muslim world, specially for Sunni Muslims.

I have nothing against them allying with the West, Turkey is much more allied with the West and they developed their nation and manpower using that alliance. So I admire Turkey much more. And the GCC nations are not truly allied with the West, their intolerant Salafi doctrine is the reason behind the current friction between the Muslim world and the West, so they are an enemy of the West in disguise, yet they spend their money like crazy to buy protection from the West.

Its all about the Monarch's/Royals staying in power, by any means possible. This is the doctrine that brought them to power and they feel by spreading this doctrine to all Muslims they will solidify their hold on power. But they are dead wrong, the latest result we can see in the brainwashed subhuman morons called ISIS, who is threatening their own existence now and again the US will probably bail them out in the end.

 

[The SC]

@Kaniska GCC is not the paragon of virtue. Salafi doctrine (including Qutbism) + petrodollar = spread of extremism throughout Muslim world

As for support of extremism, this has increased because of almost 100 billion dollars or more used for spreading Salafi doctrine by GCC nations. Even after all that this is the result:
Concerns about Islamic Extremism on the Rise in Middle East | Pew Research Center's Global Attitudes Project
Muslim Publics Share Concerns about Extremist Groups | Pew Research Center's Global Attitudes Project

Intolerant Salafi doctrine and its spread due to petro dollar has been the single biggest disaster that befell the Muslim world, that destabilized our societies and countries and ruined our reputation on world stage.

And all of it started with American bases in The GCC, nothing of this was anywhere to find before that.

Arabs revolted against the Ottoman Empire, so if they admit their mistake, and ask Erdogan to be readmitted
into Turkey, under Erdogans rule, You are already halfway done.

When the last Calif married your sister, the Arabs revolted against him, since he broke the law of the Sultans.

 

[T-Rex]

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Only Way to World Peace
is
live like Human ....and let live...



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that what whole world want ..
live and let live..
but most of islamic state do opposite..

Certainly you are not going to listen to what the 'whole world' want during your elections, so shut up and let Muslims decide their fate in their country and that is the real meaning of 'live and let live'!

 

[pursuit of happiness]

Certainly you are not going to listen to what the 'whole world' want during your elections, so shut up and let Muslims decide their fate in their country and that is the real meaning of 'live and let live'!

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Whole world said Iraq had WMD ... ... what you got...sometime you have understand why wolf is singing melody .
those who write their own destiny can claim a Independance..
we dont take or follow ORDERS ...
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let muslim decide their fate ... in their country
why not others ..
why not Muslim give same freedom to minooryt in theie OWN country whihc they deemand utide worls..
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Live and let live
will come only when ...
a muslim in indonesia is same as muslim in SA
mulsim is called muslim nothin more nothing less
same goes for Hniduism with caste..
fortunatly we realsied it before and working on it..
our dalits can claim same right as Brahmin .. even sometime get uppar hand due to reservation than brahmin..
same dalit can and did become President of india..
same dalit wrote bible of indian democracy the indian consitution with brahmins ..
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[my2cents]

Personally I do not blame you for our fate, you have done your job to break the enemy nation in 2 and it is your job to abuse and terrorize us the enemy. But I need to point out these facts because we Muslims need to learn from our past mistakes. Sorry if that brings up unpleasant facts about your nation.



What useful idiots are you talking about? Please clarify.

I am talking about Awami league. You guys still call them Rawami league. According to you these amami leaguers are hired idiots of India. My question is what have you done wrong? How come they are still in control of your lives?

I am not denying our role in breaking up of your nation by helping Mukti bahini and then backing them up with military invasion. It was more a humanitarian crisis that was developing with millions of people pouring into our country with horrible tales of atrocities being perpetrated by Pakistani army. We may never know how many more people would have been massacred if we did not interfere. i somehow get the feeling that you are not happy with how you got your independence. But you have to realize that your Muslim brother from west pakistan did not share your concerns and were not willing to share power.

In hindsight it was good you got a new nation to rebuild with your own cultural identity.

 

[Hiptullha]

Can the Muslim Union like OIC able to thrawt Alqueda of ISIS or any militant group you can name of....Ohh..I got it, you can very well said that Non Muslim sponsored these organization....Make sense..I agree...US and West try to follow divide and rule ...But again, why your people and organization who are so much religious in nature, get sold our so easily? ...What are the example that Muslim blocks like OIC has contributed so as to stop the creation of such extremist groups...

I have said this before, and will say it again. We have not tried to confront these organisations because the country we rely on for aid, both economical and military would be against it. The US would not be happy to know that the fighters it's been supporting in Syria, in Libya, in Egypt were being opposed by a collective force made up of Islamic countries. Once we're independent of foreign aid and military equipment for foreign nations, we won't need to put up with the agendas of other countries.

more likely an enemy/rival power..

Only when it shows aggression or tries to antagonize it's neighbors.

 

[SQ8]

Considering that google trends show a disproportionate rise in searches about an Islamic state both in Pakistan and to an extent in Bangladesh. India is about to face extremism the likes it has never seen. However, only after the extremists in these two states would butcher some millions of their own.

Hopefully, none of that will happen.. but for now.. to the world the idea of a Islamic state represent NO stablity or progress.. only brutality and barbaric behaviour.