The Only Way to World Peace is an Islamic Union

[manojb]

@Aeronaut yes, what about Bangladesh? Indian and Sri Lankan Muslims will keep being minorities in their own country, unless they can curve up their own states. But where will Bangladesh go, with which bloc, if any?

BD is going to sea, thats why he left out. many will pole vault to India and remain minorities!!

 

[my2cents]

Good idea,,,

Your enemy will always hate your forces becoming unfied and strong

Hence the immediate butt hurt from hindu's and others.


The reality is the Muslim world is a MASSIVE and diverse place with a myriad of views as a result unifying everyone could be difficult, but we need a forum where regarless of differences we can build consensus, lessen friction and support each other


The OIC is such a forum but it is useless, or to be more accurate its as usefull as its sum parts have made it to be

The Muslim world could become a goliath and enourmous powerhouse but for the moment it is baby steps where individual nations needs to find their own place in their world

Just take the reasons for formation of Bangladesh and you will see what is ailing the muslim world.

 

[shuntmaster]

Wrong sir, the ottoman empire initiated that before Europe, the Muslims have separated the Mosques and the politics. The government ruled by Qanoun or what we call today law.

Wasn't the ruler of the Ottoman empire the Caliph? In Islamic state, isn't the caliph a political, military and religious leader.. So, how is the state and mosque separate?

 

[The SC]

Of course your argument is valid and makes sense...Based on recent histroy, it seems challenging for India and China to ally for some reason....But if i go by history, India and China does not have that kind of frustrating relationship....India has a problem with Pakistan because, India has been attacked by Muslim invaders and Pakistan idealizes itself with those invader people...Where as India does not have that kind of historical baggage with China...India and China may be rival but not enemy...I hope one day, each of us either China or India will find its own place in their relationship...If China continue to develop in the same pace and India continue to falter its pace of development like it has happened in last 10 year, then India has to accept China has superior power....So once that level of power equation is established, then both side will understand how to work with each other for mutual benefit..



Now i can see your statement as a wishful thinking...If this is really what the intention of this thread..then its a great news...

It is in the working, we leave wishful thinking to India and even the US. keep dreaming of a superpower India while half of your population is dying of hunger, and lack of the most basic hygiene is so outspread 9like the diseases too) that Modi had to address it in his speech. you are not in a position to talk about what Muslims can or can not do. You might tart to see yourselves some how high but your still underdeveloped and very far behind the rest of the world, while even the poorest Muslim countries do not suffer from the things India suffers from.
Do you know that just the GCC is the biggest trade partner of India, If I was you I won't take on the Muslim world, you are too dependent on it. if you go public about your statement at state level, your economy will swindle down like you could never imagine, and will be worst for you than a nuclear war.
The other reason you are not in a position to comment on a Muslim Union, is that you are a nation of extremist hindous, try to hide it with secularism or what ever you want it is still apparent.

 

[kalu_miah]

BD is going to sea, thats why he left out. many will pole vault to India and remain minorities!!

That should be bad news for you, 600 million Muslims in India by 2100 AD, 38% of India's total population.

 

[The SC]

Wasn't the ruler of the Ottoman empire the Caliph? In Islamic state, isn't the caliph a political, military and religious leader.. So, how is the state and mosque separate?

Read history, you will certainly find out how. Read mostly about ruling by the Qanoun (law) and separation with religious laws.
Both laws had their own places.
The Calif was supreme to both laws as well as the military laws. He was to be consulted on all of them.

 

[kalu_miah]

Just take the reasons for formation of Bangladesh and you will see what is ailing the muslim world.

India used its hired useful idiots to break Pakistan and Pakistan intelligence were not able to eliminate them early enough in time. This kind of meddling from hostile powers to divide and rule is precisely the reason we need more unity among Muslim nations of the world.

 

[Kaniska]

It is in the working, we leave wishful thinking to India and even the US. keep dreaming of a superpower India while half of your population is dying of hunger, and lack of the most basic hygiene is so outspread 9like the diseases too) that Modi had to address it in his speech. you are not in a position to talk about what Muslims can or can not do. You might tart to see yourselves some how high but your still underdeveloped and very far behind the rest of the world, while even the poorest Muslim countries do not suffer from the things India suffers from.
Do you know that just the GCC is the biggest trade partner of India, If I was you I won't take on the Muslim world, you are too dependent on it. if you go public about your statement at state level, your economy will swindle down like you could never imagine, and will be worst for you than a nuclear war.
The other reason you are not in a position to comment on a Muslim Union, is that you are a nation of extremist hindous, try to hide it with secularism or what ever you want it is still apparent.

Who is saying to take on the Muslim world....here we are talking about economical union kind of stuff between India China and Russia and the issue that may arise for Muslim Union....I am with firm opinion that India is not of course a super power nor a developed nation...We need to do trade with any one who can provide us with economic benifit..'And also i respect Guld countries and their commitment to develop their own nation rather than getting involved themselves with unnecessary things...

Commenting on fruitfulness of Muslim Union does not necessary mean that India is superpower not India should start fighting with Muslim Union...My point is that your union concept does not fundamentally align with ground reality..Now, if you would like to bash me just because i have talking the definciency of argument of MUSLIM Union...then it is your choice...

 

[nvKyleBrown]

Wrong sir, the ottoman empire initiated that before Europe, the Muslims have separated the Mosques and the politics. The government ruled by Qanoun or what we call today law.

In others of your remarks you seem to think that a Muslim states Union will be based on religion, which is not correct, only its underlying will be Islam, the rest will be Law, Economics, Education, R&D, Defense and the betterment of its peoples conditions, all legitimate aims with no malice against anyone.

Um, no. This is "Muslim tolerance" in which you can do (religiously) what the Muslim rulers tell you to do, at best. The millet system in the Ottoman empire assigned you a religion based on the community you were from, and you had no personal say in the matter. That is not freedom of religion or conscious by any stretch. Taking 20% of the male children and forcing them to convert is not freedom of anything. Don't brag about that, be ashamed.

Religious liberty means the right to decide for yourself what you believe, not have it told to you by the state, in any form. It is between you and God. This is not the case in any Muslim country, including modern Turkey. Modern Turkey gives lesser rights to even minority Muslim sects. Non-Muslims will have their parentage checked before being allowed to enroll in non-Muslim schools. Etc, etc, etc.

Muslims apparently just have a different definition of "tolerance" than the rest of the world. Call me when you find a predominantly Muslim nation that believes and practices equality between persons, irrespective of religion. That doesn't mean you allow them to do xyz, it means they can pick their religion, change religions at will, and there are no legal consequences for it. Further, the law does not ignore offenses against them because of their religious beliefs. The state doesn't take their property, or tax them differently. Their houses of worship aren't turned into mosques. They aren't killed as devil worshipers, and so on and so forth.

And, importantly, Muslims can decide to not be Muslim.

 

[kalu_miah]

It is in the working, we leave wishful thinking to India and even the US. keep dreaming of a superpower India while half of your population is dying of hunger, and lack of the most basic hygiene is so outspread 9like the diseases too) that Modi had to address it in his speech. you are not in a position to talk about what Muslims can or can not do. You might tart to see yourselves some how high but your still underdeveloped and very far behind the rest of the world, while even the poorest Muslim countries do not suffer from the things India suffers from.
Do you know that just the GCC is the biggest trade partner of India, If I was you I won't take on the Muslim world, you are too dependent on it. if you go public about your statement at state level, your economy will swindle down like you could never imagine, and will be worst for you than a nuclear war.
The other reason you are not in a position to comment on a Muslim Union, is that you are a nation of extremist hindous, try to hide it with secularism or what ever you want it is still apparent.

Well said bro, Bangladesh the poorest Muslim nation, because of the abuse heaped on it by India with its political, economic and water terrorism, still has higher hunger/nutrition and hygiene indicators than caste racism infested India.

 

[The SC]

Who is saying to take on the Muslim world....here we are talking about economical union kind of stuff between India China and Russia and the issue that may arise for Muslim Union....I am with firm opinion that India is not of course a super power nor a developed nation...We need to do trade with any one who can provide us with economic benifit..'And also i respect Guld countries and their commitment to develop their own nation rather than getting involved themselves with unnecessary things...

Commenting on fruitfulness of Muslim Union does not necessary mean that India is superpower not India should start fighting with Muslim Union...My point is that your union concept does not fundamentally align with ground reality..Now, if you would like to bash me just because i have talking the definciency of argument of MUSLIM Union...then it is your choice...

Not at all my intention, I want to know what ground realities are for you. Since all you can talk about in bashing this Union, is some Boko Haram, ISIL, ISIS, which are barely a hundred thousand in total (with no known origins or backings), compared to the 1.6 billion Muslims that you know nothing about and who want a Union of theirs.

 

[Kaniska]

Well said bro, Bangladesh the poorest Muslim nation, because of the abuse heaped on it by India with its political, economic and water terrorism, still has higher hunger/nutrition and hygiene indicators than caste racism infested India.

Again similar pattern of excuse like other Muslim nations always present, they are at thier low because someone has made their life miserable.....Who has stopped you from being a developing nation...You got independence in the same time as India got it....So you are responsible for your own destiny...Do not just blame India because you are not able to perform what you have wished for..

 

[my2cents]

India used its hired useful idiots to break Pakistan and Pakistan intelligence were not able to eliminate them early enough in time. This kind of meddling from hostile powers to divide and rule is precisely the reason we need more unity among Muslim nations of the world.

You still have hired useful idiots ruling you guys. what have u done wrong?

 

[XenoEnsi-14]

Nope.. I only posted it only to shut up people who claim that US only elects white-Christians..

Still that doesn't matter Obama is just more of the same, people who supported him used the race card and still do. Showing off that a president is of a different race is just as bad as people saying we only elect white-Christians.

 

[kalu_miah]

Again similar pattern of excuse like other Muslim nations always present, they are at thier low because someone has made their life miserable.....Who has stopped you from being a developing nation...You got independence in the same time as India got it....So you are responsible for your own destiny...Do not just blame India because you are not able to perform what you have wished for..

Personally I do not blame you for our fate, you have done your job to break the enemy nation in 2 and it is your job to abuse and terrorize us the enemy. But I need to point out these facts because we Muslims need to learn from our past mistakes. Sorry if that brings up unpleasant facts about your nation.

You still have hired useful idiots ruling you guys. what have u done wrong?

What useful idiots are you talking about? Please clarify.