The Nefertiri conflict between germany and egypt

[MarkusS]

You forged that "Sultan gave it as a gift" part too. No such thing...or show me the agreement then i will accept my mistake.

Sure i can show you:

Pergamon Altar - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

"Upon negotiating with the Turkish government (a participant in the excavation), it was agreed that all frieze fragments found at the time would become the property of the Berlin museums."

"Initially, the Ottoman government wanted to share the finds (2/3 to Germany 1/3 to Turkey), but in negotiations which took place 1878/79, which were even influenced by Bismarck, an agreement was concluded which allocated all finds to the German Empire for a payment of 20,000 goldmarks. It helped that the Ottoman Empire was at that time weak on the domestic front and grateful for Bismarck's mediating role at the Congress of Berlin. See Kunze, Kästner: Antikensammlung II, p. 30; Schaller: Pergamonaltar, col. 211."

 

[-SINAN-]

Sure i can show you:

Pergamon Altar - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

"Upon negotiating with the Turkish government (a participant in the excavation), it was agreed that all frieze fragments found at the time would become the property of the Berlin museums."

"Initially, the Ottoman government wanted to share the finds (2/3 to Germany 1/3 to Turkey), but in negotiations which took place 1878/79, which were even influenced by Bismarck, an agreement was concluded which allocated all finds to the German Empire for a payment of 20,000 goldmarks. It helped that the Ottoman Empire was at that time weak on the domestic front and grateful for Bismarck's mediating role at the Congress of Berlin. See Kunze, Kästner: Antikensammlung II, p. 30; Schaller: Pergamonaltar, col. 211."

Source as wikipedia ??? No,thx and i don't believe any Western source.
I have various other sources that says "Carl Humann" smuggled artifacts by bribing local Ottoman officers.

Only way to clear the doubt is, Germans showing original script of the so-called agreement which "Sultan gave it as a gift". Or to return the stolen temple.

 

[damm1t]

That markus guy is a walking ego who suffering superiority complex so don't take him serious, seriously... about egypt revolt issue, he was an ottoman wali assigned by the sultan himself to rule egyptians and he has revolted for his own throne at the weak times of the empire... this is his flag in time,

looks familiar?
people think he was born in albania, grew up came to egypt and revolted... that traitor born in the empire, sultan gave him rank, money, power, made him wali but he revolted when the empire was weak... thats really funny and sad at the same time, funny because he was nothing to do arabic revolution, used arabs, he was an oppurtunist... sad because egyptians/mainly arabs always were easy to manipulate, they have been fooled and kavalalı pasha all they have got as a heroic figure... A sneaky ottoman soldier/wali..

 

[Mahmoud_EGY]

my blood as an italian is the same as yours who is egyptian. Egypt was part of roman empire and thus mixed completly. All mediterranean people are same. Beside that its questionable that Nefertiri was egyptian at all. Her name means "the beautyful has arrived". Many believe she came from another nation.

i dont think so Mediterranean are related yes but i doubt that we share the same blood because of Egypt was once part of the roman empire so i can claim every nation that we once occupied Egyptian
and from where did you get that she was not Egyptian

 

[MarkusS]

i dont think so Mediterranean are related yes but i doubt that we share the same blood because of Egypt was once part of the roman empire so i can claim every nation that we once occupied Egyptian
and from where did you get that she was not Egyptian

she was most likely a princess from abroad who was married to Echnaton. This was common back then.

Its not just the roman empire. Mediterranean people interchanged also thousands of years before rome. It is interesting. In North egypt your people look exactly like we do. In upper egypt they look darker with much more nubian ancestors.

When you look at Alexandria it was the 2nd most important city in our empire. Only rivaled by rome itself. Rome ruled hundreds of years over egypt. That made a huge impact. Just like the crusades made another big impact.

Look at Assad in Syria. He looks like a french guy. We are one people. One history and in many aspects one culture.

Source as wikipedia ??? No,thx and i don't believe any Western source.
I have various other sources that says "Carl Humann" smuggled artifacts by bribing local Ottoman officers.

Only way to clear the doubt is, Germans showing original script of the so-called agreement which "Sultan gave it as a gift". Or to return the stolen temple.

How about no? We paid 20.000 gold marks back then.

Source as wikipedia ??? No,thx and i don't believe any Western source.
I have various other sources that says "Carl Humann" smuggled artifacts by bribing local Ottoman officers.

Only way to clear the doubt is, Germans showing original script of the so-called agreement which "Sultan gave it as a gift". Or to return the stolen temple.

Here is a study that shows the contract:

https://www.princeton.edu/~artspol/workpap/WP13 - Bilsel.pdf

How do you suppose we took an entire temple to germany without your sultan knowing? Chancellor Bismarck supported the osmanian empire at the summit in Berlin. And the Sultan wanted thank him with that.

So i guess your "sources" are same that say that muslims discovered america...

 

[-SINAN-]

Here is a study that shows the contract:

https://www.princeton.edu/~artspol/workpap/WP13 - Bilsel.pdf

How do you suppose we took an entire temple to germany without your sultan knowing? Chancellor Bismarck supported the osmanian empire at the summit in Berlin. And the Sultan wanted thank him with that.

So i guess your "sources" are same that say that muslims discovered america...

Mate, you showed me an PDF...with blah blah on it...

Where is the contract ???

Let me give you an example.

This is the original script of "treaty of lausanne" signed by Allied forces and Turkey.
http://treaties.fco.gov.uk/docs/pdf/1923/TS0016-1.pdf
I bet you can find something similar treaty between Germany and Allied Forces. As we were on the same boat (and we lost because of you).

So, when i say the original script, i mean the original script. Not the twisted Western version of it. (if there is such a contract in the first place)

 

[flamer84]

@MarkusS not a cool thread bro'! The statue is Egyptian and it was stolen.

 

[Audio]

Don't return nothing, so that when another revolution occurs the hoodlums can destroy it.
If they are loud, we can come back and take Suez on the grounds of it being vital for Europe. Or simply expedite the building of that that dam in Ethiopia, iirc European companies are involved!

 

[MarkusS]

Mate, you showed me an PDF...with blah blah on it...

Where is the contract ???

Let me give you an example.

This is the original script of "treaty of lausanne" signed by Allied forces and Turkey.
http://treaties.fco.gov.uk/docs/pdf/1923/TS0016-1.pdf
I bet you can find something similar treaty between Germany and Allied Forces. As we were on the same boat (and we lost because of you).

So, when i say the original script, i mean the original script. Not the twisted Western version of it. (if there is such a contract in the first place)

blame the game not the player. Your Sultan was so patheticly weak. He was called the sick man of the bosporus. He gave around gifts like father christmas.

 

[flamer84]

Don't return nothing, so that when another revolution occurs the hoodlums can destroy it.
If they are loud, we can come back and take Suez on the grounds of it being vital for Europe. Or simply expedite the building of that that dam in Ethiopia, iirc European companies are involved!

lol dude,how does this make Europeans better than any other thieves,see the Russians ?

"Ce tie nu-ti place,altuia nu-i face"-"What you don't like being done to you,don't do unto others".

 

[Steve781]

Don't return nothing, so that when another revolution occurs the hoodlums can destroy it.
If they are loud, we can come back and take Suez on the grounds of it being vital for Europe. Or simply expedite the building of that that dam in Ethiopia, iirc European companies are involved!

"We"? The Suez Canal was owned by Britain alone not the whole of Europe

 

[MarkusS]

@MarkusS not a cool thread bro'! The statue is Egyptian and it was stolen.

The statue is german now.

"We"? The Suez Canal was owned by Britain alone not the whole of Europe

Britain is member state of EU and not a fully souvereign nation anymore. EU laws stand above UK laws.

 

[Steve781]

lol dude,how does this make Europeans better than any other thieves,see the Russians ?

"Ce tie nu-ti place,altuia nu-i face"-"What you don't like being done to you,don't do unto others".

Europeans were the ones who revived all of this heritage. Muslim nations were ashamed of it as it reminded them of their pagan past.

 

[flamer84]

The statue is german now.

.

That doesn't make it right.

Europeans were the ones who revived all of this heritage. Muslim nations were ashamed of it as it reminded them of their pagan past.

But now they want it back and its rightfully theirs.

I can agree with the Greek temples in Germany as they are part of Europe's Greco-Roman heritage and i don't see them belonging to the the Ottomans though.

 

[MarkusS]

That doesn't make it right.




But now they want it back and its rightfully theirs.

I want the sun to shine 24hours a day. Too bad. Might makes right. If they want it, they should try to take it.