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The lasting lesson of 1962

no it is not. The PLAAF is superior in every way imaginable. 140 F-16s and 120 Mirage 2000's with 4 light AWACs vs. 200+ J-10s, 114 Su-30s, 96 Su-27s, 110 J-11s, 300+ J-8II and 5 heavy AWACs.

However, Taiwanese Air Force can easily down all of India's obsolete Migs.

Taiwan's AF has western tech in all its platforms, which gives it considerable parity when compared to the numerically superior PLAAF. Indian planes also have the same western/indian upgrades on russian platforms.

besides the backbone of IAF is not mig21 its the famous SU30MKI which I am guessing can eat up anything the PLAAF can throw and still have room for desert

Another factor is pilot training, where indians are also better

“I believe what this demonstrates is that the capacity exists out there for any nation with the appropriate resources and the will to acquire technology and to train their aircrews to be very, very capable,” said Col. Russ Handy, commander of the 3rd Operations Group. “In the long term this could occur in nations outside of the Indian Air Force.”



The surprising sophistication of Indian fighter aircraft and skill of Indian pilots demonstrated at the Cope India air combat exercise Feb. 15 through 27 at Gwalior Air Force Station, India, should provide a reality check for those who had assumed unquestioned U.S. air superiority
Hampton Stephens



“The (Indian) pilots are as aggressive as our pilots. They are excellent aviators; they work very hard at mission planning; they try to get as much out of a mission or sortie as possible, just like us,” he said. “From one fighter pilot to another, there’s really not that much difference in how we prepare for a mission and what we want to get out of it.”
Col. Greg Neubeck


"very proficient in [their] aircraft and smart on tactics. That combination was tough for us to overcome,"



"The adversaries are better than we thought," Col. Mike Snodgrass added.” And in the case of the Indian Air Force both their training and some of their equipment was better than we anticipated."



“What we’ve seen in the last two weeks is the IAF can stand toe-to-toe with best AF in the world.”


“I pity the pilot who has to face the IAF and chances the day to underestimate him; because he won’t be going home.”



“The greatest compliment we heard from an IAF pilot – You American pilots are just like us, simply down to earth people.”
The Boresight



The outcome of the exercise boils down to [the fact that] they ran tactics that were more advanced than we expected, Snowden says. India had developed its own air tactics somewhat in a vacuum. They had done some training with the French that we knew about, but we did not expect them to be a very well-trained air force.
http://taiwantp.net/cgi/TWforum.pl?board_id=6&type=show_post&post=449_6



"The Indian Air Force is a world-class air force with great aircraft, great pilots, and great leadership," said Capt. Marcus Wilson, an Aggressor pilot at Nellis and the team chief for the exercise.
404: Code One Magazine



Indian pilots have created their own combat techniques and proved to be very smart, flexible and adaptive. This was also not an expected fact because Western tactical experts used to stay on their vision of dealing with Russian style pilots with rigid tactics and no independent moves what so ever. All this matters combined points out the Indian fighters to a real considerable threat leaving the Western analysts and USAF Command thinking it over how credible their own weapons are.
http://www.dutchaviationsupport.com/Articles/IL-78 MIDAS&Crousaders.pdf



Indian AF Su-30K during the Cope India exercise. The Flanker's soundly defeated US Air Force F-15Cs during this exercise, exploiting not only superior BVR radar/missile capabilities, but also the TKS-2 datalink, used to network flights of Flankers
Sukhoi T-50/I-21/Article 701 PAK-FA and Su-27/30/33/35/37 Flanker



"We came rolling in, like, 'Beep-beep, superpower coming through,'" Colonel Fornof told me. "And we had our eyes opened. We learned a lot. By the third week, we were facing a threat that we weren't prepared to face, because we had underestimated them. They had figured out how to take Russian-built equipment and improve upon it."
Black Hawk Down author Mark Bowden
Infamous YouTube star Fornof re-appears in pro-F-22 article - The DEW Line

Indian planners combined the use of top-line fighters like this Su-30 with older types and impressive, innovative tactics.
Credit: USAF TSGT. KEITH BROWN
http://taiwantp.net/cgi/TWforum.pl?board_id=6&type=show_post&post=449_6

"When we saw that they were a more professional air force, we realized that within the constraints of the exercise we were going to have a very difficult time," Snowden (A USAF senior pilot at cope india)says. "In general, it looked like they ran a broad spectrum of tactics and they were adaptive. They would analyze what we were doing and then try something else. They weren't afraid to bring the strikers in high or low. They would move them around so that we could never anticipate from day to day what we were going to see."
 
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Who ever has written that ..is a sailor albeit a thoroughly pampered one.

with one day research online, i can come up with a more hate spewing article while seeming to be a born sailor. So no, it was probably a pakistani fanboy.
 
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Taiwan's AF has western tech in all its platforms, which gives it considerable parity when compared to the numerically superior PLAAF. Indian planes also have the same western/indian upgrades on russian platforms.

besides the backbone of IAF is not mig21 its the famous SU30MKI which I am guessing can eat up anything the PLAAF can throw and still have room for desert

Another factor is pilot training, where indians are also better

western tech from 1980. world moved on.

The Su-30 MKI is a death trap and most of IAF is obsolete rusting Migs.

I pity the IAF pilots that pilot the Su-30 MKI. One shot 2 kills.
 
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western tech from 1980. world moved on.

The Su-30 MKI is a death trap and most of IAF is obsolete rusting Migs.

I pity the IAF pilots that pilot the Su-30 MKI. One shot 2 kills.

actually its china thats using western tech of 80's via copying albeit with reasonable success. and yes The Su-30 MKI is a death trap, for u guys.

have you also heard of the Mig21 Bison? probably not. your knowledge in these things are nil. So what are you doing here, unfair and biased?
 
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actually its china thats using western tech of 80's via copying albeit with reasonable success. and yes The Su-30 MKI is a death trap, for u guys.

have you also heard of the Mig21 Bison? probably not. your knowledge in these things are nil. So what are you doing here, unfair and biased?

Su-30 MKI is just an expensive target drone for J-20. Mig-21 Bison is obsolete crap inferior to even our J-8s.
 
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Su-30 MKI is just an expensive target drone for J-20. Mig-21 Bison is obsolete crap inferior to even our J-8s.
J-20 is operational.
Anyway you conveniently forget Pak-FA, Rafale/Typhoon.
You seriously need to wake up from the brainwashing they give you at your school.
 
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Su-30 MKI is just an expensive target drone for J-20. Mig-21 Bison is obsolete crap inferior to even our J-8s.

like i said, your knowledge in these areas are nil, so lets talk about something else shall we?

or do u want me to teach you the basics of fighter airplanes? will your communist party allow that?
 
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like i said, your knowledge in these areas are nil, so lets talk about something else shall we?

or do u want me to teach you the basics of fighter airplanes? will your communist party allow that?

Sure.

Su-30 MKI has top speed of Mach 1.9, J-11B has top speed of Mach 2.35. Su-30MKI has maximum range 500 km less than J-11B. Both have plans for AESA upgrades, India's is due for 2012. Su-30 MKI has 12 hardpoints, J-11B has 10.
 
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If USA stops buying chinese junk for 2-3 months, then end of story. China will fall very hard.
You kown, when i read such kind of comment, I want to laugh. If you are 8 years old kid, I forgive your ignorant, If you are adult, I think only one nickname match for you: nut!
I think you are indian american, you said if american stop buying chinese good, but could you tell me how to do it? Do many idiots just open your mouth to speak, don't think how to do it, if it is, why don't you make a hypothesis that the aliener out of earth kill all chinese, then you indian occupy china, this dream will leap many phase to the day in your dream.
And, do it, idiot, find other country's good. BTW, do you use the chinese 'junk'? Which country make you used compute, and are there components made in china? If there are, please throw it out, do it yourself first, or nobody follow you.
Can some body tell me why such kind of idiot still exist.
 
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question 1: How much are you paying me for my vote.
question 2: when is my TV going to be delivered?

:lol:

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no it is not. The PLAAF is superior in every way imaginable. 140 F-16s and 120 Mirage 2000's with 4 light AWACs vs. 200+ J-10s, 114 Su-30s, 96 Su-27s, 110 J-11s, 300+ J-8II and 5 heavy AWACs.

However, Taiwanese Air Force can easily down all of India's obsolete Migs.

a. You don't have a right to vote; probably never seen an EVM in your life.

b. Given your manufacturing credentials, it is a shame that you have to ask me for a TV - can't the Chinese buy their own TVs?
 
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The Chinese Air Force? LOL - In 2001 some Americans invaded Chinese Air Space and killed a Chinese pilot named Wang. The Chinese detained the Americans for a while and then let them off. That is the might and muscle of the Chinese Air Force.
 
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a. You don't have a right to vote; probably never seen an EVM in your life.

b. Given your manufacturing credentials, it is a shame that you have to ask me for a TV - can't the Chinese buy their own TVs?

Yes I do have the right to vote.

????????

If I were Indian, that's where I'd ask.
 
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Sure.

Su-30 MKI has top speed of Mach 1.9, J-11B has top speed of Mach 2.35. Su-30MKI has maximum range 500 km less than J-11B. Both have plans for AESA upgrades, India's is due for 2012. Su-30 MKI has 12 hardpoints, J-11B has 10.

hey not bad, the info is not all wrong.

However the mistake you made was to compare the j-11, a chinese copy of the first su27 flanker, with SU30MKI an Indian customized variant, which is the latest operational evolution of the flanker family consisting of avionics from 5 countries.

Its like comparing NOKIA 6600 to an I-phone
 
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The only way forward is to be prepared .China knows very well that India is the only country that can be a thorn in her path to Asian domination.I don't think Chinese soldiers are better than Indian soldiers.But they got numbers.They can simply keep throwing men and machines into the battlefield.
You don't think? What ever! At last Chinese soldier are not worse than your soldier. But your commander is absolutely worse than chinese commander, proof is the show that they play in the 1962 war, and now just know ask for money and complain about PLA.
Number advantage is in your side, PLA have more soldier, but in the border, there are more indian soldiers. And in here, you also want to make excuse to reveal your lose.
 
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You don't think? What ever! At last Chinese soldier are not worse than your soldier. But your commander is absolutely worse than chinese commander, proof is the show that they play in the 1962 war, and now just know ask for money and complain about PLA.
Number advantage is in your side, PLA have more soldier, but in the border, there are more indian soldiers. And in here, you also want to make excuse to reveal your lose.

in 62 we were outnumbered 10 to 1. The numbers are definitely on your side
 
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