The killing of Hayat Baloch - FC

[Pakstallion]

Heart breaking.... Our brother killed by our brother. There is no joy in the heart of a Pakistani from this news. Alhumdulillah the military is taking the right path by getting right to the parents of the person who did this and moving quickly to transfer the responsible FC soldier to the police. Much of this was done before the social media uproar. Part of the inquiry should hopefully establish also if other soldiers knew and when they knew and they should also be brought to justice, if guilty.

Those saying this is part of the war - it is not, and we hold our military (rightly) to the very high standards it holds itself, not some garbage being spewed by Nida Kirmani or Gul or Dawar or Ali Wazir. As the lion of the desert Omar Mukhtar said, "they are not our teachers." Killing an innocent is something we can never justify.

 

[MilSpec]

You do not have the freedom to advocate for and/or support organizations designated as terrorist groups by both the Pakistani and US governments.

I did create a thread, but a moderator moved it to GHQ, so I guess you cannot respond. Verbatim:
Reach GHQ instead of initiating open discussion if anyone is interested truly to resolve an alleged issue.

Which still confuses me, because all I asked was clarity on designations, I did not make any allegations.

Hope I did not stir up a hornet's nest on terror designations and PDF's policy.

regards.

 

[blain2]

Do you honestly believe that soldier acted alone in front of those officers?? please bro... wake up and smell the coffee... patriotism is good but in this case it’s just heartless.

Anyone remember this: 2011 Pakistan Rangers shooting incident - Wikipediaen.wikipedia.org › wiki › 2011_Pakistan_Rangers_sho...

There is a precedence set to punish the guilty party/parties involved so not sure what this "wake up and smell the coffee" sensationalism is about?

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

I did create a thread, but a moderator moved it to GHQ, so I guess you cannot respond. Verbatim:
Reach GHQ instead of initiating open discussion if anyone is interested truly to resolve an alleged issue.

Which still confuses me, because all I asked was clarity on designations, I did not make any allegations.

Hope I did not stir up a hornet's nest on terror designations and PDF's policy.

regards.

This is going off topic, but I'll answer it since you seem to be getting nowhere. The forum policy on terrorist groups (such as the BLA, BRAS, TTP etc) attacking Pakistan is clear and straightforward. If you're asking a broader question regarding NACTA designations, I don't want to speak on behalf of everyone and/or the forum and would prefer that the Admins and/or larger group of moderators provide their feedback, hence my suggestion that you open a thread in the 'Suggestions and Discussions' section.

Instead of using my quoted post as a starting point (which may have led another moderator to assume you were questioning my moderating and therefore resulted in the thread being moved to GHQ), phrase the question as one asking for clarification on member conduct with respect to groups/individuals designated as 'terrorists/terrorist organizations' by NACTA.

For further clarity, list the organizations/individuals designated by NACTA that you have questions about.

 

[MilSpec]

This is going off topic, but I'll answer it since you seem to be getting nowhere. The forum policy on terrorist groups (such as the BLA, BRAS, TTP etc) attacking Pakistan is clear and straightforward. If you're asking a broader question regarding NACTA designations, I don't want to speak on behalf of everyone and/or the forum and would prefer that the Admins and/or larger group of moderators provide their feedback, hence my suggestion that you open a thread in the 'Suggestions and Discussions' section.

Instead of using my quoted post as a starting point (which may have led another moderator to assume you were questioning my moderating and therefore resulted in the thread being moved to GHQ), phrase the question as one asking for clarification on member conduct with respect to groups/individuals designated as 'terrorists/terrorist organizations' by NACTA.

For further clarity, list the organizations/individuals designated by NACTA that you have questions about.

sure. Thanks... @The Eagle, before you move the next thread too, read the above.

 

[The Eagle]

sure. Thanks... @The Eagle, before you move the next thread too, read the above.

Since the issue is already in GHQ, there's no reason for anyone being impatient and needlessly dragging it except that, I unaware of any hidden agenda.

 

[TNT]

I hope you are not referring to the video of the guy who was caught robbing people (Karachi) with a fake gun and refused to go to jail and then tried to grab the rifle. It was a sad incident with a display of excessive force but you cannot say there was no reason. He would have been shot dead in any other country for reach for the rifle even though he was mostly likely trying to push it away. Sahiwal incident has been reported here by PDF's team, you should read it.

Even a kid wont see that as grabbing a weapon, he was begging for his life clearly. What u do put a filter on ur brain? See how chinese deal with corrupt or disobedient security guy. In today's camera abundant world a single act can ignite fire. See how arab springs and other uprisings start from such acts filmed and got viral. We should strongly punish anyone who undermines or puts out a bad image of the state. Stop making excuses and accept mistakes so we can fix ourselves.

 

[valkyr_96]

Even a kid wont see that as grabbing a weapon, he was begging for his life clearly. What u do put a filter on ur brain? See how chinese deal with corrupt or disobedient security guy. In today's camera abundant world a single act can ignite fire. See how arab springs and other uprisings start from such acts filmed and got viral. We should strongly punish anyone who undermines or puts out a bad image of the state. Stop making excuses and accept mistakes so we can fix ourselves.

Why would he be begging for his life when he was being board in for transport to jail but he kept refusing. How do you deal with that situation? let him go: O we caught you being naughtynaughty don't do it next time?

I have clearly stated that there was use of excessive force. But why can't you process the fact that he was robbing people with a pistol that only on his apprehension turned out to be fake. These guns are good replicas and no one is going to laugh it off. The Rangers were deployed because police simply could not handle the crime and the terror activities.

A few years back a traffic policeman was shot in the head (the video is there)(they dont carry weapons nor arrest people) at main Paradise bakery intersection. The guy was poor and had an unmarried daughter and no personal enmity. But that single event forced the traffic policemen to wear bullet-proof jackets all over Karachi. Did not see anyone make a fuss over it. Why was there no Arab spring nor any uprising? I cannot make excuses for event that I have no control over so stop being a martyr drama queen.

 

[Cherub786]

Isn't it hypocritical for these massive rallies in the name of Hayat Baloch, the details of his killing haven't even come fully in the light, was he a terrorist, a violent separatist, a spy working for RAW? But when Baloch terrorists hijack a civilian bus, check the passengers ID cards then proceed to kill all Punjabis and Muhajirs execution style, where are the big rallies in Quetta? Where are those people holding photographs of the executed civilians? They are so disingenuous.

 

[Ivan]

Father recognises Hayat’s killer in identification parade
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Dawn Report |Updated 20 Aug 2020

The father of the victim had earlier said he could recognise the FC man if brought in front of him. — AFP/File​

QUETTA/ISLAMABAD: The father of Hayat Baloch, a student of the Karachi University who was allegedly killed by a soldier of Frontier Corps (FC), recognised the suspect during an identification parade in Turbat district jail on Wednesday.​

The father of the victim had earlier said he could recognise the FC man if brought in front of him. Hayat was taken to a date orchard after a blast in the Absar area of Turbat in Balochistan and shot eight times by the FC soldier.

Suspect Shadiullah is already in police custody and a murder case has been registered against him on the complaint of the victim’s elder brother, Muhammad Murad Baloch.

Kech district police officer Najeebullah Pandrani said the identification parade was held in the jail under the supervision of a judicial magistrate. Other prisoners were also brought along with the suspect, he added.

FC says its soldier demonstrating irresponsible attitude opened fire on KU student
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“The father of Hayat Baloch identified the suspect three times during the identification parade,” DPO Pandrani said, adding that the FC had already handed over Shadiullah to police after completing their internal investigation.

Meanwhile, the FC Balochistan issued a statement on the incident. It said that on Aug 13 a tragic incident took place in Turbat in which terrorists targeted an FC convoy with an IED (improvised explosive device) in the Absar area, resulting in injuries to three personnel, including a non-commissioned officer.

After the incident, the statement said, some local people, including Hayat Baloch, who were present in the area, were being interrogated about the incident. During the interrogation, FC soldier Naik Shadiullah demonstrating irresponsible attitude opened fire, resulting in injuries to Hayat Baloch, who succumbed to his wounds on the spot.

The FC personnel present on the occasion overpowered the suspect and disarmed him immediately, it added.

The statement said that after the incident and initial internal inquiry the FC South inspector general ordered handing over of the suspect to police. The FC handed over the suspect to police within two hours, before his nomination in the incident. The notables of the area had welcomed the FC gesture, it added.

The statement said that although it was a crime committed by an individual, the FC Balochistan as an institution had deplored the tragic incident and strongly condemned the IED blast by terrorists and express solidarity with victims.

“We had taken responsibility to protect the lives, properties and honour of our citizens … and FC Balochistan would continue performing its duties without any discrimination. The culprits behind the IED blast and the killer of Hayat Baloch would surely face the consequences of their crimes; such incidents would not be allowed to happen in future,” the FC statement added.

Meanwhile, FC South Inspector General Maj Gen Sarfaraz Ali visited the house of Hayat Baloch in Turbat on Wednesday and condoled with his father and other members of the family and offered Fateha for the departed soul.

He expressed sympathies with the family and said that as an institution the FC was standing by the grieved family and assured that justice would be done with them.

PBC condemns murder
Pakistan Bar Council vice chairman Abid Saqi on Wednesday condemned the gruesome murder of Hayat Baloch. “It is the height of lawlessness that a soldier of a state institution committed the heinous crime in presence of several witnesses, including family members of the victim, and then remained at large for a couple of days before his belated arrest,” Mr Saqi said in a statement issued in Islamabad.

 

[TNT]

Why would he be begging for his life when he was being board in for transport to jail but he kept refusing. How do you deal with that situation? let him go: O we caught you being naughtynaughty don't do it next time?

I have clearly stated that there was use of excessive force. But why can't you process the fact that he was robbing people with a pistol that only on his apprehension turned out to be fake. These guns are good replicas and no one is going to laugh it off. The Rangers were deployed because police simply could not handle the crime and the terror activities.

A few years back a traffic policeman was shot in the head (the video is there)(they dont carry weapons nor arrest people) at main Paradise bakery intersection. The guy was poor and had an unmarried daughter and no personal enmity. But that single event forced the traffic policemen to wear bullet-proof jackets all over Karachi. Did not see anyone make a fuss over it. Why was there no Arab spring nor any uprising? I cannot make excuses for event that I have no control over so stop being a martyr drama queen.

Post that video here and ask others, the rangers tell each other to shoot him and that's y he was begging. Ur mental level is that since someone is caught stealing or robing and u shoot him? That too when he is caught and not trying to run away. Kick him, out him on ground, cuff him but u justify killing him??? If anyone else did that ull be calling them barbarians, if afghans did it ull be using derogatory terms, if india does it in kashmir u call them animals but when it comes to urself u put a filter on ur brain or i think u just remove ur brain and put crap in there. Nothing can justify that and what was the punishment for rangers??? Its exactly because of ppl like u that the state is hated. Its morons sitting there giving orders n killing ppl that are cause of destruction of states. So do us all a favor and shut ur mouth and stop giving dumb excuses for murder committed on camera and infront of many witnesses. I dont want to argue with u anymore because u seem to lack basic humanity and basic comprehension skills. Yeah trafgic warden killed so now u go on and kill anyone u suspect and then u call others barbaric. Have some shame.

 

[FCPX]

The murder of an innocent unarmed civilian cannot be justified and justice must take its course.

 

[Amaa'n]

Post that video here and ask others, the rangers tell each other to shoot him and that's y he was begging. Ur mental level is that since someone is caught stealing or robing and u shoot him? That too when he is caught and not trying to run away. Kick him, out him on ground, cuff him but u justify killing him??? If anyone else did that ull be calling them barbarians, if afghans did it ull be using derogatory terms, if india does it in kashmir u call them animals but when it comes to urself u put a filter on ur brain or i think u just remove ur brain and put crap in there. Nothing can justify that and what was the punishment for rangers??? Its exactly because of ppl like u that the state is hated. Its morons sitting there giving orders n killing ppl that are cause of destruction of states. So do us all a favor and shut ur mouth and stop giving dumb excuses for murder committed on camera and infront of many witnesses. I dont want to argue with u anymore because u seem to lack basic humanity and basic comprehension skills. Yeah trafgic warden killed so now u go on and kill anyone u suspect and then u call others barbaric. Have some shame.

You have a point & am sure many senior members will agree with what you are saying. No one has right to execute anyone without substantial evidence and a trail unless one's life is threaten, then you can shoot to kill.....
However my point here is that there was absolutely no need of you getting personal with the above poster, you could have phrased that up without getting aggressive & offensive....

 

[ziaulislam]

Mistake by one solider does not mean all is same, INSHALLAH establishment will take action

Yeah yeah
Just like it did in naqeeb case

This FC guy might not be protected so he will be punished but others like ehsan and roa anwar will walk free on establishment blessing..

If establishment thinks this will not hurt the roots of society they are wrong..i doubt they even care ..just low level people getting into cannon fodder

 

[POPEYE-Sailor]

Yeah yeah
Just like it did in naqeeb case

This FC guy might not be protected so he will be punished but others like ehsan and roa anwar will walk free on establishment blessing..

If establishment thinks this will not hurt the roots of society they are wrong..i doubt they even care ..just low level people getting into cannon fodder

Dont worry, One day justice will be done in this world or hereafter.