The Great Game Changer: Belt and Road Intiative (BRI; OBOR)

[welcomeJason]

We have enough anti-ship missile to sink all of ur cheap copied warship. That why we confidently pointed the Gun to ur forces in our last trip to Gac Ma (JS reef)

What easy you start a war,then what easy you lost it.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

I think Putin will wait a few more weeks. He has to be 100% sure that the absolute majority is fed up with the pro-transatlantic bunch. Once that situation arrives, the fifth colum will be once and forever be out of Russia.

Yeah, right now it is the perfect time to weed out the western fifth column, since the mass public is now at rage with the West.

 

[welcomeJason]

yes, yahoo we are as poor as africa according to chinese clowns here. pls feel and laugh. AND yes, according to some reports, chinese are mostly retards.
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Customs Union, Vietnam agree on provisions of free trade agreement | Russia & India Report

koreans did a good job! Congratulations.

 

[Lure]

China needs clear strategy to help Russia
Source:Global Times Published: 2014-12-17

With oil prices sinking and the ruble falling in value, Russia is experiencing the gravest economic crisis since the turn of the century. After its value crashed for two days running, the ruble has depreciated over 50 percent against the US dollar so far this year to become the worst performing global currency. At present, there seems to be no way to bail it out, and what will happen to the Russian economy is difficult to predict.

Some analysts are comparing Russia's current situation with the eve of the Soviet Union's dissolution, when oil prices were also at a low ebb. Some speculate that the deepening economic crisis will impose new challenges to Russian President Vladimir Putin's tenure, forcing him to apply a defensive strategy. But there are also some concerns about him becoming more aggressive.

This speculation raises a question: Is Russia's economy worse now than the time when the Soviet Union collapsed?

Compared with 23 years ago, Russia's manufacturing capacity and agricultural production have not greatly improved, and it's much diminished strength has not left much room to maneuver. What's more, Moscow now faces Western sanctions and there is deep antagonism between Moscow and Washington.

But Russian society is much more united than before. Putin retains high approval ratings among the Russian public, who learned heavy lessons after the collapse and harbor no delusions toward the West.

Russia's foreign exchange reserves still boast about $400 billion, which means, unlike immediately following the dissolution of the Soviet Union, the well-being of the Russian people will not be severely impacted in the short term. Although the threat of collapse is still far away, Russia will go through a long-running winter instead of a temporary storm.

China has become a significant factor that determines Russia's strategic environment. Seeking China's support is one of Russia's most realistic options.

While it might play a key role, China has to keep a clear mind when giving a helping hand to Russia. China-Russia cooperation is no longer ideology-based but driven by common interests. Although it has the capability to offer help to Russia at critical moments, China does not have to act in a proactive manner.

Any facilitation and aid must be given with the request of Moscow through the normal channels of country-to-country exchanges. This will reduce Moscow's misunderstandings to the minimum.

This crisis will probably urge Russia to recalibrate some of its national strategies. But it is by no means a fact that Russia will draw closer to China because of this. With many uncertainties, China also faces challenges about how to lead its relationship with Russia to a reciprocal end.

Russia is at a crossroads, and the direction it chooses will impact world politics. China's stance is clear, and it does not want Russia to collapse.

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What realistic options does China have to assist Russia in one of its deepest economic crises that is the result of a geopolitical stand-off with the West (US)?

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Russia has minimal economic problems. There is no shortage in terms of commodities and products in Russia today. And it's highly unlikely. I mean despite the economic sanctions, Russia will be able to find products and commodities that it needs from other countries. They will definitely not be like Iran. There were no car parts in Iran due to economic sanctions and the repairers were actually trying to produce their own car parts. Such an effect won't be likely happen in Russia.

However there will be great financial problems. First of all the stock market is collapsing. If China wants to help Russia, Chinese fund managers can actually invest in Russian stock markets. I guess around 15% Chinese ownership in Russian Stock Markets would make it highly unlikely to collapse. It might also be profitable for Chinese, if you believe in performance of Russian companies.

Second problem will be the sharp drops in realty prices. Chinese Real Estate Developers should make huge investments to real estate projects in Russia.

However most probably China will make this investments in US dollars. Making these investments in US dollars might also effect China. Remember you don't print the US dollar. So if you convince Russians to show more interest in yuan and accept a portion (a considerable portion I might add) in terms of yuan, then this will be a long term solution

 

[welcomeJason]

RMB WOULD BE A CHOICE.​

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

It would better if the HSR grid within the European part of Russia is completed before the World Cup 2018.

Since the HSR will ease the transportation method for the football players to travel between the Russian cities.

 

[BuddhaPalm]

Maybe China and Russia can merge into one federal entity.

 

[Carlosa]

We need an ad hoc solution now. If Putin fails in the next few months, then good night China.



I think Putin will wait a few more weeks. He has to be 100% sure that the absolute majority is fed up with the pro-transatlantic bunch. Once that situation arrives, the fifth colum will be once and forever be out of Russia.

You got ahead of me, I was going to say the same thing to @ChineseTiger1986 Russia needs help now, no in years, if the evangelical neocons (God, I love that label) are able to break the Russians, then we are all in deep shit and the chinese can be sure that they are next in line.

I can't wait to see Putin smashing the fifth column.

To the Chinese members:
Whats going on with Russia is serious stuff and it has tremendous implications for China. The world hegemon was distracted for 10 years while busy playing fireworks in Iraq and Afghanistan, that's over now and they are turning to take care of the real threats, Russia and China. Russia first, if they make it there, you are next.

Don't underestimate what they are capable of doing and don't over estimate yourself. Right now, there is only one superpower and its USA and if the time comes for them to go after you, they are going to hit you with everything they got and they do have a lot. They are going to be super nasty. These people are crazy nuts and will not stop at anything in order to achieve their objectives.

Forget about Vietnam vs China, forget about the south china sea, Senkakus / Diayous or whatever, that's all peanuts. The real stakes are being played in Ukraine / Russia right now and that will decide the next steps. If Russia prevails, they are actually saving your arse by default. If they lose, you are next (and alone) and if you think they are going to wait 10 more years to let you gather strength, you better think again and keep the eye on the ball because these guys are not playing, they are dead serious and they are very clear about what they need to do and they know they have limited time.

No, I'm not panicking, being crazy or being delusional, I'm very clear about the big picture playing there; most people don't realize how serious the situation is and how high the stakes are.

 

[BuddhaPalm]

^ We cannot forget about Vietnam. They are our worse enemy! Must attack them and damage them brutally first!

 

[Huaren]

You got ahead of me, I was going to say the same thing to @ChineseTiger1986 Russia needs help now, no in years, if the evangelical neocons (God, I love that label) are able to break the Russians, then we are all in deep shit and the chinese can be sure that they are next in line.

I can't wait to see Putin smashing the fifth column.

To the Chinese members:
Whats going on with Russia is serious stuff and it has tremendous implications for China. The world hegemon was distracted for 10 years while busy playing fireworks in Iraq and Afghanistan, that's over now and they are turning to take care of the real threats, Russia and China. Russia first, if they make it there, you are next.

Don't underestimate what they are capable of doing and don't over estimate yourself. Right now, there is only one superpower and its USA and if the time comes for them to go after you, they are going to hit you with everything they got and they do have a lot. They are going to be super nasty. These people are crazy nuts and will not stop at anything in order to achieve their objectives.

Forget about Vietnam vs China, forget about the south china sea, Senkakus / Diayous or whatever, that's all peanuts. The real stakes are being played in Ukraine / Russia right now and that will decide the next steps. If Russia prevails, they are actually saving your arse by default. If they lose, you are next (and alone) and if you think they are going to wait 10 more years to let you gather strength, you better think again and keep the eye on the ball because these guys are not playing, they are dead serious and they are very clear about what they need to do and they know they have limited time.

No, I'm not panicking, being crazy or being delusional, I'm very clear about the big picture playing there; most people don't realize how serious the situation is and how high the stakes are.

southeast china sea and diaoyu island(s) will ever be the core strategic interest of China as long as chinese are capable to ensure national security/interest , calling those as "peanuts" means either your are fooling others or being fooled by others / yourself.

 

[Carlosa]

^ We cannot forget about Vietnam. They are our worse enemy! Must attack them and damage them brutally first!

You need a reality check buddy.

southeast china sea and diaoyu island(s) will ever be the core strategic interest of China as long as chinese are capable to ensure national security/interest , calling those as "peanuts" means either your are fooling others or being fooled by others / yourself.

They are peanuts in comparison to what its really playing now with Russia and the implications of that for china. I'm just talking as a matter of priorities and anyway, good luck if you think that you can really take over those areas without a real war with USA and its allies. They've been easy on you until now, but don't bet on that for much longer. Just my take.

 

[Viet]

The only way to help Russia is to build the Eurasian HSR.

The full economic integration between Russia and China will help Russia to get rid of the oil economy.

BRAVO if you want to push russia faster down the drain, that just let them build HSR.
in case you don´t know, the building of the transibirian railway was so expensive and resources consuming, and one of the reasons that crippled the USSR economy.

 

[Huaren]

You need a reality check buddy.

They are peanuts in comparison to what its really playing now with Russia and the implications of that for china. I'm just talking as a matter of priorities and anyway, good luck if you think that you can really take over those areas without a real war with USA and its allies. They've been easy on you until now, but don't bet on that for much longer. Just my take.

Seriously do you really see me (or any chinese members) ever believe to retake those areas without a real war with USA and its allies/lackies? Havent you seen that China is continuing building up capabilities for decades to prepare for the scenario and moving foward at the same time. In fact nobody has expected any "luck" to begin with, those you are calling "peanuts" are the doorsteps of our country, as comparison to China they are at least just as important as crimea/eastern ukraine to Russia.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

You got ahead of me, I was going to say the same thing to @ChineseTiger1986 Russia needs help now, no in years, if the evangelical neocons (God, I love that label) are able to break the Russians, then we are all in deep shit and the chinese can be sure that they are next in line.

I can't wait to see Putin smashing the fifth column.

To the Chinese members:
Whats going on with Russia is serious stuff and it has tremendous implications for China. The world hegemon was distracted for 10 years while busy playing fireworks in Iraq and Afghanistan, that's over now and they are turning to take care of the real threats, Russia and China. Russia first, if they make it there, you are next.

Don't underestimate what they are capable of doing and don't over estimate yourself. Right now, there is only one superpower and its USA and if the time comes for them to go after you, they are going to hit you with everything they got and they do have a lot. They are going to be super nasty. These people are crazy nuts and will not stop at anything in order to achieve their objectives.

Forget about Vietnam vs China, forget about the south china sea, Senkakus / Diayous or whatever, that's all peanuts. The real stakes are being played in Ukraine / Russia right now and that will decide the next steps. If Russia prevails, they are actually saving your arse by default. If they lose, you are next (and alone) and if you think they are going to wait 10 more years to let you gather strength, you better think again and keep the eye on the ball because these guys are not playing, they are dead serious and they are very clear about what they need to do and they know they have limited time.

No, I'm not panicking, being crazy or being delusional, I'm very clear about the big picture playing there; most people don't realize how serious the situation is and how high the stakes are.

Sure, Russia has helped us to distract the US and bought us more time to become stronger in both economy and military.

This is how your typical drama with the deuteragonist heping the protagonist to turn the table against the stronger antagonist.

According to our British Anglo-Saxon friend Mike2000, Russia has committed the unforgivable sin in their eyes because of buying more time to let China to become stronger than ever.

It is for sure that they are planning to destroy us one by one, but now it is Russia's turn, then it would be followed by China.

BRAVO if you want to push russia faster down the drain, that just let them build HSR.
in case you don´t know, the building of the transibirian railway was so expensive and resources consuming, and one of the reasons that crippled the USSR economy.

Are you kidding me?

We will provide the technology and the assistance.

The cost will be below the average, and this will only vitalize the import/export between the Eurasian nations.

 

[Carlosa]

Sure, Russia has helped us to distract the US and bought us more time to become stronger in both economy and military.

This is how your typical drama with the deuteragonist heping the protagonist to turn the table against the stronger antagonist.

According to our British Anglo-Saxon friend Mike2000, Russia has committed the unforgivable sin in their eyes because of buying more time to let China to become stronger than ever.

It is for sure that they are planning to destroy us one by one, but now it is Russia's turn, then it would be followed by China..

You are the only one that really gets the big picture from the chinese members here, some get it partially, most are too caught up in the regional tribal thing to see it.