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The Great Game Changer: Belt and Road Intiative (BRI; OBOR)

They always backstab almost everybody, once they don't need you anymore, off you go. They have their favorite subjects that they keep happy as long as they understand what their place is and they get an small share of the spoils, number one in that category: UK.

Ok, I'm going to sleep, we continue tomorrow.

China's world integration on the HSR grid systems will be the new room for the growth of the world economy.

Not only the world will find more room to grow from this new economic model, it will also help to diversify the portfolio of the transportation models.

This will push both aerospace and shipbuilding to reform and to re-innovate their current technology.

As for Boeing, this will push them to re-innovate and to focus on the more advanced space airplane instead of being complacent with their current monopolized market share.

Lol, you act as if we were born yesterday. If Russia goes down, the West's crosshairs will be immediately re-directed towards China. Even if that is not Europe's intention, it is certainly the US', a fact that you blithely ignore even when many other members have brought it to your attention.

Russia is not only crucial for China to achieve the new banking systems, but also crucial for China to achieve the world HSR grid systems.

Meanwhile, with the rise of China's aerospace industry, this will not only force Boeing to face the indirect competition from China's HSR, but also to face the direct competition from China's aerospace industry.

The competition is always good, only with the competition, people will start to reform and to re-innovate the technologies.
 
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Lol, you act as if we were born yesterday. If Russia goes down, the West's crosshairs will be immediately re-directed towards China. Even if that is not Europe's intention, it is certainly the US', a fact that you blithely ignore even when many other members have brought it to your attention.

thats wrong. Face reality. We see china as equal. Our economies are combined. We rule the world. What is Russia compared to the West and China ? Nothing.

China's world integration on the HSR grid systems will be the new room for the growth of the world economy.

Not only the world will find more room to grow from this new economic model, it will also help to diversify the portfolio of the transportation models.

This will push both aerospace and shipbuilding to reform and to re-innovate their current technology.

As for Boeing, this will push them to re-innovate and to focus on the more advanced space airplane instead of being complacent with their current monopolized market share.



Russia is not only crucial for China to achieve the new banking systems, but also crucial for China to achieve the world HSR grid systems.

Meanwhile, with the rise of China's aerospace industry, this will not only force Boeing to face the indirect competition from China's HSR, but also to face the direct competition from China's aerospace industry.

The competition is always good, only with the competition, people will start to reform and to re-innovate the technologies.

You do realize that boeing is only nr. 2 in the world market of airplanes? Why does china want to be in competition with nr. 2? Too afraid to play with the world market leader airbus?
 
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thats wrong. Face reality. We see china as equal. Our economies are combined. We rule the world. What is Russia compared to the West and China ? Nothing.



You do realize that boeing is only nr. 2 in the world market of airplanes? Why does china want to be in competition with nr. 2? Too afraid to play with the world market leader airbus?

Why not? We have both money and technology, also with a huge domestic market.

BTW, Boeing right now is number one, as Airbus hasn't mastered the critical jet engine technology, which is controlled by the US/UK inner circle.
 
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Why not? We have both money and technology, also with a huge domestic market.

BTW, Boeing right now is number one, as Airbus hasn't mastered the critical jet engine technology, which is controlled by the US/UK inner circle.

you should look at sales, orders and market share which Airbus leads.

as for the jet engine technology...lol

you do realize that Airbus is a european corporation which the UK happens to be one of the leading shareholders? Your argument is baseless, as is your antiamericanism.
 
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you should look at sales, orders and market share which Airbus leads.

as for the jet engine technology...lol

you do realize that Airbus is a european corporation which the UK happens to be one of the leading shareholders? Your argument is baseless, as is your antiamericanism.

The UK is closer to the US than they are to other European nations.

France/Germany/Italy have no chance to compete against the Anglo-Saxon inner circle for the turbofan engine technology.

As long as the UK is still there, Airbus has no chance to compete against Boeing for the aerospace dominance.
 
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@Carlosa
I find your biases and hypocrisy quite amusing. I know your are anti-china and pro Russia, on one hand, you dream about drag the USA into SCS to crash the Chinese imperialism in order to save your beloved Vietnam, a nation that is gradually becoming an US lackey. On the other hand, you want China to unconditionally help your beloved Russia, and keep badmouthing how despicable we Chinese are taking advantage of Russia's misery. You must think the CCP are all retarded do you? Care to explain to me why is that a mutual beneficial relationship between China and Russia become China sucking Russian blood?

We fully understand what's going on around global, you keep talking about saving Russia is saving ourselves, that's right, you will find no Chinese on this forum disagree with that, but the Russian should also know that helping China is also helping themselves, no?? In addition, i think Russia is not as miserable as many people think, the west now is like killing 100 enemies by sacrificing 80 own men, the EU is in decline and will sleep with anyone who can give them a little bit comfort, the US is also panicking and running out of ideas, you can see from their rather childish ranting in recent years, you never see US behave like this. So anyway, how about a deep and comprehensive cooperation between China and Russia? and here my thought on the grand Chinese Marshall plan to counter strike the west.
  1. Most important, share of intel and experiences. Russia has accumulated extensive intel on the US military (submarine, nuclear arsenals, CIA deployment,etc...) we also have extremely advanced intel gathering capabilities and experiences
  2. China should launch massive( i mean really MASSIVE) investment in Russia to help them rebuild their industries and finance, but this can not happen without enough protection from Russia government and a bold reform of their industry structure. They seriously need to get rid of the their insecurity toward China, and execute all the xenophobic neo nazi punks. We have no intention to invade Siberia,seriously, they outsourced all of their infrastructure to the turks, but not China??? With our unprecedented industry might, we can turn the bleak Sino Russia border into a dynamic economic zone in 5 years.
  3. We can help Russia to expand their navy base in Vladivostok, Russia may find difficult funding their new navy vessels, but we can leverage their pressure from Pacific by frequently conducting joint exercise near Kuril Islands.
  4. Politically, we obovisely have more say in BRICS, but to be honest, BRICS is a joke at least for now, Brazil is a useless shithole country, the country of the future and will always be, US has huge influence in S America, but we have enough influence to make Brazil neutral,other wise they can say bye bye to growth, same as India, actually, Russia can still sucking Indian blood. In the SCO block, Russia can give China more access to central Asia politics while they still have some influence in that region, they will lose that remained influence sooner or late, it's much more easier to build the land based new silk road than the maritime silk road, they better give it to china than to the west. We can also cooperate on the Arctic Ocean issues.
  5. Technology? not so much, i'm tired about some clueless people talking about we will sucking up all the Russian technologies, there is nothing Russia has that we desperately desires, we actually have far better electronics( AEWC,avionics,data-link) we can help Russia in these fields. Russian have better missile, better submarine, better jet engine,but we don't need it, because our jet engine R&D projects had chosen a completely different technological path from Russia, and will reach maturity soon. but we certainly can cooperate on space, fusion reactor etc.....
  6. Energy security, no need to say.....!
  7. We will NOT give up the ECS and SCS claim, our maneuver in these disputes areas can easily drive the US attentions away from Russia. Maybe you should ask your beloved Vietnam to see the bigger picture, we will have the full control over SCS sooner or later, by that time, the maritime silk road will became a reality, it like releasing a caged dragon, which would means the game over of US hegemony,sound??let face the reality here, what can vietnam get even we gift the whole SCS to her? The SCS in Vietnam's hand is just SCS, a swimming pool, but the SCS in our hand would be a nightmare for the west.
 
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Is US-NATO Preparing to Wage War on Russia?
By Prof Michel Chossudovsky

Is US-NATO Preparing to Wage War on Russia? The Wales NATO Summit in September has set the stage.

Several military initiatives directed against the Russian Federation have been launched in the last few months including the conduct of war games in Eastern Europe, military training and the deployment of special forces in Ukraine.

These military initiatives are led in coordination with media propaganda and a program of “economic terrorism” consisting of disruptive economic sanctions, the freeze of monetary and trade transactions, the fraudulent manipulation of the oil and currency markets, etc. The media campaign consists in presenting war as a humanitarian undertaking.

The endgame is to weaken the Russian Federation, undermine its institutions, impoverish its population.

Meanwhile, the US Congress has passed enabling legislation which provides a de facto green light to president Obama to declare war on Russia.


Reports have also confirmed that Washington is contemplating “regime change” in the Russian Federation with a view to installing a more compliant government in the Kremlin.

“We see the tragic consequences of the so-called color revolutions and ordeals survived by the peoples of the states that faced these irresponsible experiments of covert and sometimes even… overt interference into their lives…

This is a lesson and warning for us and we will do everything possible to prevent this from happening in Russia.” (quoted in Sputnik, November 20 2014)

Military threat combined with “economic warfare” are intended to create social and economic instability in the Russian Federation. Cyber warfare is also an instrument of intervention directed against an enemy’s communications systems.

The US-NATO military exercises conducted in recent months in Eastern Europe and the Baltic States were explicitly directed against Russia. According to Moscow, they consisted in “increasing operation readiness” as well the transfer of NATO “military infrastructure to the Russian borders”.

In mid-December, General James Stavridis, former commander of Nato in Europe called upon the Atlantic Alliance to”send arms and military advisers to Ukraine to help it fight Moscow-backed separatists.”

“I think we should provide significant military assistance to the Ukrainian military. I don’t think we should limit ourselves to, non-lethal aid. I think we should provide ammunition, fuel, logistics. I think cyber-assistance would be very significant and helpful, as well as advice and potentially advisers.

“I don’t think there needs to be huge numbers of Nato troops on the ground. The Ukrainian military can resist what’s happening, but they need some assistance in order to do that.” (quoted in the Guardian, December 14, 2014)

And on December 18th, President Barack Obama signed the Ukraine Freedom Support Act which allocates up to $350 million in military aid to Ukraine in support of its military campaign in Donbass.

In addition to the granting of military aid, the US military is directly involved in the process of military planning in close coordination with Ukraine’s Ministry Defense.

Its Called “Defense Cooperation”

While US involvement is officially limited to training, the sending in of special forces and support to Ukraine’s National Guard, mercenaries and private security operatives on contract the Pentagon and NATO have also been deployed within the ranks of the Ukraine military and National Guard in the Donbass region of eastern Ukraine.

US Military Advisers at Work

In late November, the US State Department confirmed that it “will continue to send special teams to Ukraine to provide security assistance”, namely advising and military training.

As part of this program of security assistance, Brig. Gen. John Hort, chief of operations, U.S. Army Europe was dispatched to Kiev together with “his staff and members of the U.S. Office of Defense Cooperation, located at the U.S. Embassy in Kyiv”, Ukraine,

participated in a Global Security Contingency Fund — Ukraine planning requirements meeting with Ukrainian National Guard officials, here, Dec. 8-9, 2014.

The purpose of the requirements meeting was to identify Ukraine’s National Guard Unit organization, training readiness and unit end state conditions after training completion. U.S. Army Europe, Ukraine defense officials share lessons learned



Brig. Gen. John Hort (at easel), with his staff and members of the U.S. Office of Defense Cooperation, Training Session at US embassy with representatives of the Ukraine Military and National Guard. Source US Army

The Office of Defense Cooperation (ODC): Subsidiary of the Pentagon at the US Embassy in Kiev

The Office of Defense Cooperation which operates out of the US Embassy in Kiev “works with the Ukraine’s Ministry of Defense to provide military equipment and training to support the modernization of Ukraine’s military.” Office of Defense Cooperation | Embassy of the United States Kyiv, Ukraine

US Ambassador Geoffrey Pyatt, in liaison with Assistant Secretary of State Victoria Nuland, plays a key role in coordinating the activities of ODC-Ukraine. Defense officials at the US Embassy are in turn in liaison with the Pentagon. The activities of the ODC broadly defined consist in:

  1. The deployment of US military personnel inside Ukraine;
  2. Military training and advisory functions;
  3. The sale and procurement of US weapons systems;
  4. Support to Ukraine’s National Guard through a protocal agreement with California’s National Guard
1. The deployment of US military personnel in Ukraine is implemented under the so-called Joint Contact Team Program-Ukraine (JCTP)

The mission of the JCTP is “to deploy US military teams to Ukraine to acquaint the Ukrainian military with various aspects of western militaries.”

2. The military training program is implemented under the auspices of the International Military Education and Training (IMET). Under this program, Ukraine military personnel are sent to the US for training.

3. The sale and procurement of weapons is under the auspices of Foreign Military Sales/Foreign Military Financing (FMF)

The FMF program assists the Ukrainian military in conducting defense reform by providing funds for Ukraine to purchase US military equipment and services. (Office of Defense Cooperation | Embassy of the United States Kyiv, Ukraine)

4. Support to Ukraine’s National Guard is implemented through the California–Ukraine State Partnership Program (SPP). While the SPP mandate is to “promote democracy, free market economies and military reform, in practice the SPP is used to channel support as well as special forces and military advisers to Ukraine’s (neo-Nazi) National Guard battalions in Donbass.



The National Guard Azov Battalion in East Ukraine integrated by neo-Nazi recruits.

Of significance, the SPP Mission is coordinated jointly by the US Ambassador to Ukraine and the Commander of U.S. European Command (EUROCOM) General Philip Breedlove based in Stuttgart, Germany.
 
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Let them solve it out.I'm sure russian wouldn't give a sh!t if we have a limited war with Vietnam.We are not allies.Don't be naive and have some confidence.Pathetic.What did they do when we had some conflict in SCS?nothing,They still sell their weapons to Vietnam.
Russia is more like a fearless gangster,no need to bind ourselve with them.

On the contrary, I think Russia is the latest front where the China-US proxy war is fought. If Russia goes down, the US and the entire West, with all its media, NGOs and allies, will clamp on China.

Assisting Russia is in a way assisting China itself.

The amount of "expert" and troll anti China activity online and off-line is mind-boggling. How can China let go few of its true geopolitical friends?

Russia has indeed shown it is a good ally by offering vital support to President Assad -- that's one of the reasons that the US now attempts to punish for.

China and Russia have done a lot since President Xi assumed China's leadership; were all for nothing? Or for show?

China should definitely prove that it is not to let one of its key strategic allies being severely punished by the West although the ways and means of doing this, I agree, should be more subtle and behind the curtain.
 
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Exactly correct. :tup:

The recent boost in Sino-Russian relations is to protect our own national interests.

Since we may be the next target for US sanctions.
You expect russia help us when we become target for US sanction?how?except continuing export their oil,they wouldn't and couldn't do nothing to help us .They haven't help us in SCS conflicts,is that right?You bunch of naive and coward guys make me laugh.WE DON'T NEED TO HIDE BEHIND THE ASSES OF RUSSIAN BEARS,and russian aren't your fathers.
 
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You expect russia help us when we become target for US sanction?how?except continuing export their oil,they wouldn't and couldn't do nothing to help us .They haven't help us in SCS conflicts,is that right?You bunch of naive and coward guys make me laugh.WE DON'T NEED TO HIDE BEHIND THE ASSES OF RUSSIAN BEARS,and russian aren't your fathers.

Russia has some of the largest oil and gas reserves in the world, and they will be carried over land pipeline. Not vulnerable to a sea blockade.

Russia will also accept Yuan in payment for this oil and gas.

Maybe you can sit on your hands while our oil/gas sea routes are vulnerable to US blockades, but the Chinese government will not.

Because they are not American lackeys like you.
 
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Russia has some of the largest oil and gas reserves in the world, and they will be carried over land pipeline. Not vulnerable to a sea blockade.

Russia will also accept Yuan in payment for this oil and gas.

Maybe you can sit on your hands while our oil/gas sea routes are vulnerable to US blockades, but the Chinese government will not.
Yeah,that's exactly what I have say.It's always about profit,isn't it?You can't really trust on russians.Not that brother or friend bullsh!t.
 
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Yeah,that's exactly what I have say.It's always about profit,isn't it?You can't really trust on russians.Not that brother or friend bullsh!t.

People like you would prefer that we remain vulnerable to American naval blockades of our oil/gas sea routes.
 
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I've seen a lot of concern trolling on western media sites about how the China-Russia relationship will never come to fruition: because of Siberia, Cold War Sino-Soviet split, Russian fears of being a "resource appendage", etc. The more numerous these paid shills become and the flakier their arguments get, the more desperate and fearful that US appears to be of the burgeoning China-Russia relationship.

Why do people perpetually equate all Western media as the the mouthpiece of the US?? Why if some western press say something about the Russia/China relationship you turn around and automatically say the US is "desperate and fearful".

Talk about acting flaky. If you mean the "US Press" then f*cken say it. Don't pull this "West" sh*t.
 
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Why do people perpetually equate all Western media as the the mouthpiece of the US?? Why if some western press say something about the Russia/China relationship you turn around and automatically say the US is "desperate and fearful".

Talk about acting flaky. If you mean the "US Press" then f*cken say it. Don't pull this "West" sh*t.

It all means the same thing, people are referring to the "US-led West".

But if it makes you feel better, I will specifically say "American" from now on, whenever possible.
 
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