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it's mutual, Chinese propose exercise in the Pacific, Russian propose exercise in the Mediterranean..
Mediterranean sea is a NATO major domain. If you and Russia hold military excercice in the region, you can calculate with the arrival of warships from America, Germany, England, Italy and France. we´ll all have fun watching.

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Mediterranean sea is a NATO major domain. If you and Russia hold military excercice in the region, you can calculate with the arrival of warships from America, Germany, England, Italy and France. we´ll all have fun watching.

Standing NATO Maritime Group 1
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LOL!, they already carried out the exercise, so where are the war ships you are talking about? So you had any fun watching?

Fact is the Russian and Chinese ships will join with NATO warships and freighters in their next Mediteranean mission.
 
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it is not wise for China to take such provocative move. It is obvious that Russia is keen on a confrontation with the NATO alliance.


Russia is on our side. If any they will do military exercise with Vietnam.
1,Its obvious that NATO is keen on a confraontation with the Russia,You got that backwards
2,China decide to join is wise and stratigic,ur vietnamese never know.
3,Russian never on any side,they will always on money side and stand for their own interest.Stand for vietnamese?lol,idiot
 
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Mediterranean sea is a NATO major domain. If you and Russia hold military excercice in the region, you can calculate with the arrival of warships from America, Germany, England, Italy and France. we´ll all have fun watching.

Please have fun watching, it's not like you have a blue water navy....all Vietnam can do is watch :lol:
 
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LOL!, they already carried out the exercise, so where are the war ships you are talking about? So you had any fun watching?

Fact is the Russian and Chinese ships will join with NATO warships and freighters in their next Mediteranean mission.

Russian, Chinese, Norway and Denmark warships completed convoy mission for 3rd batch of Syrian chemical weapon on Feb 10th.
 
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Published time: February 12, 2014 11:55

RIA Novosti / Evgeny Biyatov

Big deal, China, Economy, Energy, Russian economy

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China and Russia are to build the world’s biggest thermal power plant with an 8 gigawatt capacity. The Erkovetskaya TPP project in Russia’s Amur region could cost up to $24 billion, and will export energy to China where domestic demand is high.

The plant will be developed by Eastern Energy Company, a subsidiary of Inter RAO, the Russian state-run power utility, Vedomosti newspaper reported.

The plant will supply 30-50 kilowatts per year, which is about 5 percent of the Russian Federation's total current production, General director of Eastern Energy Company, Mikhail Shashmurin told Vedomosti.

It will cost between $7.5 and $12 billion, according to Natalia Porokhova, an energy analyst at Gazprombank. Talking to another Russian newspaper Kommersant, Sergey Beiden from Otkrytie Financial Corporation estimated the cost to be between $12.5 - $24 billion.

At first a 5 gigawatt project was in the works, but at the request of the State Grid Corporation of China (SGCC), the joint venture will look at “additional exploration,” Shashmurin said. To deliver the energy to Beijing, where demand is strongest, an estimated 2,000 km of transmission lines will need to be installed.

A framework agreement was signed in 2013 between the two state-owned companies which explored the possibility of building power plants in Russia’s Far East with the goal of exporting 40-50 billion hours to China. The final decision will come from China’ Committee of Development and Reform, and will include a 5-year draft economic plan. The Chinese want to be shareholders, and according to Shashmurin, could own up to 49 percent in the project.

The first long-term power contract with China was inked in 2012, and stipulated 100 billion kilowatts of supply over 25 years to the Heilongjiang province. In 2013, Inter RAO delivered 3.39 billion kilowatts to China, Shashmurin said.

Inter RAO halted exports to China in February 2007 after Russia increased duties on Chinese sales. Trade resumed in 2009.

The Russian Far Eastern Amur region was devastated by floods last summer, with nearly 100,000 people were affected, and thousands of homes submerged. There was great concern that a heat power plant in Khabarovsk would be submerged by flood water. When floods hit in 2007, the reservoir of the Zeya hydroelectric plant nearly overflowed.

Russia’s biggest natural gas producer, Gazprom is negotiating gas delivery with CNPC.

China and Russia to build world’s biggest thermal power plant — RT Business
 
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Can a China-Russia Axis Bankrupt the US?
Russia and China have studied the end of the Cold War and how the US ultimately defeated the USSR by bankrupting it.

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According to Chinese State Councilor Yang Jiechi and Secretary of the Security Council of the Russian Federation Nikolai Platonovich Patrushev, 2013 was“a year of harvest” for Sino-Russian relations. It was also a year of new lows for the countries’ relations with the West — and from the look of it, things could get worse in 2014.

Much has been said in recent years about how two difficult wars in Iraq and Afghanistan and a sagging economy cut the U.S. at the knees and created space for China. During this same period, China was enjoying double-digit economic growth and a relatively stable security environment, emerging as a hegemon in Asia. As the U.S. was struggling to extricate itself from, and was pouring billions of dollars into, unwinnable wars, Beijing was reaping the benefits of its “peaceful rise” by building its economy, resolving longstanding territorial disputes with neighbors, consolidating ties with smaller powers within the region, and neutralizing Taiwan as a potential source of armed conflict.

Thus, when China began flexing its muscles in the East and South China Seas, Beijing was not cowed by the U.S. “pivot,” or “rebalancing,” to Asia. For one thing, it was apparent that Washington’s renewed interest in East Asia would not — at least not in the medium term — be accompanied by a willingness to allocate sufficient capital and resources to make the pivot a credible counter to China. As Beijing and many U.S. defense experts saw it, the rebalancing was more a wish list and academic exercise than an actual strategy, let alone one that was anywhere near implementation. That is the reason why Beijing suffered little consequences when it threatened to alter the status quo within the region, such as with the November 23 declaration of its extended Air Defense Identification Zone (ADIZ) in the East China Sea. (There is every reason to believe that a credible U.S. pivot to Asia would have deterred Beijing, which ostensibly does not seek war at this point in time, from embarking on such adventurism.)

Now by working together, China and Russia could make sure that the U.S. rebalance to Asia, if it ever materializes, remains a diluted, and therefore ineffective, affair. They could do so by enlarging the spatial scope of U.S. security responsibilities and further stretching its military’s diminished resources. A few years ago, Bobo Lo, an associate fellow at Chatham House, proposed the term “axis of convenience” to describe the relationship between China and Russia. Five years after the publication of his book of the same title, the relationship has never been more convenient. For the time being at least, Beijing and Moscow appear to have set their own territorial disputes aside, and by cooperating at the strategic level they are hoping to force the U.S. out of Asia altogether.

A substantial amount of attention has been paid to China’s Anti-Access/Area Denial (A2/AD) strategy, with the DF-21D anti-ship ballistic missile (ASBM) serving as one of its principal components, and to which we can now perhaps add the ADIZ. Less, however, has been said of Russia’s ongoing efforts to keep the U.S. out of its backyard. It is interesting to note that two weeks after China’s ADIZ announcement, Russian President Vladimir Putin, meeting top military officers, stated that Russia would bolster its presence in the potentially resource-rich Arctic. Earlier that month and a little more than a week after China sprung its ADIZ surprise, the Russian navyannounced that the Arctic would be its priority in 2014. As The Diplomat reported earlier this month, Russia is currently deploying aerospace defense and electronic warfare units to the area, and is now building a comprehensive early-warning missile radar system near Vorkuta in the extreme north, among other developments.

The growing presence of the Russian military in the Arctic — which stands to turn into a region of strategic importance — will surely prompt a countervailing response from the U.S. (it has already indicated plans to increase its foothold in the region). However, doing so — let’s call it a “rebalancing to the Arctic” — would further strain the U.S. military budget and thereby take resources away from the “pivot” to Asia.

Simultaneously, the Russian military confirmed on December 16 that it had deployed nuclear-capable Iskander-M tactical ballistic missile systems, with a range of approximately 400km, into its Baltic exclave of Kaliningrad and along its border with NATO members Poland, Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania. The news followed reports the previous weekend that satellite imagery had unveiled the presence of 10 such launchers in the exclave. Although President Putin denied the deployment on December 19, Russia has shown every indication that it seeks to expand its operations in its Western Military District, which aside from Kaliningrad also includes much of the European part of Russia.

There are questions over whether Washington can afford to substantially increase defense spending without bankrupting the country. It will find itself unable to counter both a resurgent China in East and Southeast Asia, where it has been speculated that China could eventually announce a second ADIZ, and a more muscular Russian presence in the Arctic and near the Baltic states. Either the U.S. will focus on one, or it will attempt to meet all contingencies, but do so with less-than optimal resources. With Washington feeling it has little choice but to choose the latter course of action, China and Russia will both benefit by confronting a diffuse and distracted opponent or succeed in breaking the U.S.’s back by forcing it to overspend — unless other countries like Japan and NATO members agree to greatly expand their defense spending, which appears unlikely. Furthermore, there are also doubts about whether the Japanese would agree to constitutional changes of the sort that would allow for military burden sharing of the type envisaged here.

Whether the U.S. has a “right” to be an actor in what Russia and China consider as their backyard is a question we’d better seek to answer elsewhere. But what is clear is that a weakened U.S., whose ability to meet the challenge of China’s “rise” is already very much in doubt, now seems on the brink of facing a multi-pronged challenge from a Sino-Russian axis that, if it is to be countered effectively, will require a number of “pivots.” Whether Russia’s economy can sustain a military expansion on the scale necessary to prompt a U.S. realignment is questionable, though the increasingly authoritarian nature of its leadership means that Moscow will be far less vulnerable than Washington to public discontent with huge defense spending in times of austerity.

Both Russia and China have closely studied the end of the Cold War and how the U.S. ultimately defeated the U.S.S.R. by bankrupting it. Two decades later, it looks like Moscow and Beijing are trying to return the favor.
 
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Even Russia alone is capable of taking on the entire West, and winning too. :lol:

Look at what happened with Georgia, look at what happened with Syria, look at what is happening now with Ukraine. Russia is winning all these conflicts with ease.

I think we have a lot to learn from Russia. We are still in the "building up" phase, it will probably take a few more years to a decade before China becomes much more assertive in the diplomatic and military fields.

Right now most of our relative power is economic, rather than military or diplomatic. And we'll use it as much as we can, but we have to be patient for the rest.
 
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If US goes bankrupt, we won't get our treasury returns back. This is the type of frustrating loser country we're dealing with.

Even Russia alone is capable of taking on the entire West, and winning too. :lol:

Look at what happened with Georgia, look at what happened with Syria, look at what is happening now with Ukraine. Russia is winning all these conflicts with ease.

Russia is amazingly efficient with her national power. She can hold America to a diplomatic standstill, and often even triumph, despite having far less economic capability. But I think in a hot war on neutral territory (e.g. in Central Europe), the US would ultimately win. Industrial productivity matters a lot, and USA's is higher.
 
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Even Russia alone is capable of taking on the entire West, and winning too. :lol:

Look at what happened with Georgia, look at what happened with Syria, look at what is happening now with Ukraine. Russia is winning all these conflicts with ease.

I think we have a lot to learn from Russia. We are still in the "building up" phase, it will probably take a few more years to a decade before China becomes much more assertive in the diplomatic and military fields.

Right now most of our relative power is economic, rather than military or diplomatic. And we'll use it as much as we can, but we have to be patient for the rest.
no china is also great military
 
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Look at what happened with Georgia, look at what happened with Syria, look at what is happening now with Ukraine. Russia is winning all these conflicts with ease.

Georgia was a tiny sardine compared to Russia.
Russia is not winning Syria and neither is it winning Ukraine.
Syria will end with a stalemate, while the entire world is supporting the Ukrainian rebels.

I think we have a lot to learn from Russia.

Like what? Russia is cracking, my friend. Putin and his Oligarchies will not rule any longer. The people are going to wake and realize that they live in a corrupt and oppressive regime. If you want to learn something from Russia, learn that their ruling strategy won't work any longer.
 
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Russia is not winning Syria and neither is it winning Ukraine.

Russia already won on Syria, they prevented a Western-led invasion, and got Syria to disarm their chemical weapons.

That was the key reason as to why Putin was named the "most powerful person in the world" just recently. He outmanoeuvred the entire West.

As for the Ukraine, no country on Earth could stop Russia if they wanted to stage an intervention. Look at John Kerry's weak-*** statements, they're obviously not interested in taking on Russia there either.
 
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Russia already won on Syria, they prevented a Western-led invasion, and got Syria to disarm their chemical weapons.
A victory?
The nation is in shambles and the Russian-supported regime is desperately clinging onto power. Saudi Arabia is readily supplying arms and money. Syria is a goner.
When the last Shia fortress in the ME is gone, you'll be completely cut off.

As for the Ukraine, no country on Earth could stop Russia if they wanted to stage an intervention. Look at John Kerry's weak-*** statements, they're obviously not interested in taking on Russia there either.

How are we sure Russia will intervene? You're basing everything on bluffs, warnings, and hollow threats.
If Russia does intervene, I'll be happy though. The world will finally see one of the superpowers get its hands filthy. Once intervention takes place, the US will also begin taking direct participation in the world affairs instead of hiding in the shadows as it previously did.
 
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