The Great Game Changer: Belt and Road Intiative (BRI; OBOR)

[cnleio]

If you think nuke is a stick to measure a country power you going to be very disapointed.

The human building nuke weapons, the purpose is to use them ... nobody gave our promise there won't a nuclear war, we r living in a nuclear-balance world, just now not the right time to open 'Pandora-box' yet. The Russian has the most numbers of nuke ... i do believe even U.S can't put them down or afford a nuclear conflict with Russia. So Russia isn't the 'dying dog', nobody wish Russia to die coz that will break our current Nuclear-Balance world.

 

[Viva_Viet]

The human building nuke weapons, the purpose is to use them ... nobody gave our promise there won't a nuclear war, we r living in a nuclear-balance world, just now not the right time to open 'Pandora-box' yet. The Russian has the most numbers of nuke ... i do believe even U.S can't put them down or afford a nuclear conflict with Russia. So Russia isn't the 'dying dog', nobody wish Russia to die coz that will break our current Nuclear-Balance world.

EU is just the chess of USA, US try to stop Russia to dominate the whole European, but US wont risk a nuke war wt Russia there.

Mr.Putin also know that, so he wont form an alliance wt CN. He always think CN is at lower level. Itd better to form another Eight nation alliance to rule CN again than allying wt CN.

 

[cnleio]

EU is just the chess of USA, US try to stop Russia to dominate the whole European, but US wont risk a nuke war wt Russia there.

Mr.Putin also know that, so he wont form an alliance wt CN. He always think CN is at lower level. Itd better to form another Eight nation alliance to rule CN again than allying wt CN.

Let me tell a truth here , the China position is very smart in this world ... U.S/ Europe/ Russia all need China, coz China has MONEY, MILITARY, MARKET. They all have hundred billions trades with China, which one attack China first also hurt other's benefits & interests trading with China. And China also is a nuclear power, it means a nuclear war with China pay more but get less, much less than trading with China each year.

 

[Reashot Xigwin]

Fk Russia. Those motherfuxkers can't be trusted

 

[jhungary]

the point is, all the reasons OP stated here is the most potent reasons to be a cause for future Sino-Russian conflicts

abundant natural resources, checks
more land area for further industrialization and support for sustenance basic commodities (timber, foods), checks
the declining power and influence of Russia among CIS member, checks


@Nihonjin1051 @gambit @jhungary @Shotgunner51

It would be a lot easier to have a China - (Insert Nations Name here) together and claim to be a superpower.

How about China-Brazil-India? How about China-EU? How about China-Canada-Denmark?

The OPs condition had totally disregard the geopolitical situation. It would be the same as saying China + India can defeat the United States. Geopolitics is what separate the geographical power. And without regarding geopolitics, whatever people say is just a pipe dream.

Another issue is influence, not just hard control but soft control on the issue, if US were to go to war tomorrow, they will not do it alone, yet, would you think even Russia would go to war with China if China need them? That is what superpower can do, not just put some data together and try to proof what is superpower and what is not.

 

[Beidou2020]

Fk Russia. Those motherfuxkers can't be trusted

West can be trusted. West is never hypocritical.

 

[Reashot Xigwin]

West can be trusted. West is never hypocritical.

Ask the average Ukrainian or Georgian how they feel about Russia's treacherous behavior. You might find the answer to be unsurprising.

Also speaking of treacherous. Putin calling Turkey's action to be a stab in the back is bit hypocritical after what they did recently.

 

[Beidou2020]

Ask the average Ukrainian or Georgian how they feel about Russia's treacherous behavior. You might find the answer to be unsurprising.

Also speaking of treacherous. Putin calling Turkey's action to be a stab in the back is bit hypocritical after what they did recently.

Georgia attacked Russian peacekeepers and rightfully was punished by Russia. Ukraine attacked ethnic Russians in Crimea and East Ukraine because they refused to recognise the coup of Yanukovich. Russia rightfully punished Ukraine by giving Crimea a referendum and took by Crimea.

Russia helped China a lot in weapons technology, space program, technical know how.

Putin is the best leader in the world by a country mile. His Munich security conference speech in 2007 is legendary. One of the greatest speeches ever given.

Putin ended the Chechen war and revived Russian pride and honour.

Putin also solved the border issue with China.

Putin is the greatest leader in 21st century and one of the greatest leaders of all time.

When Putin speaks, I listen. He tells it like it is without the politically correct bullsh*t.

 

[anon45]

Don't see how this would benefit China, and it would cause China problems down the road if it should ever decide it needs some influence in the Middle-East.

 

[Martian2]

Georgia attacked Russian peacekeepers and rightfully was punished by Russia. Ukraine attacked ethnic Russians in Crimea and East Ukraine because they refused to recognise the coup of Yanukovich. Russia rightfully punished Ukraine by giving Crimea a referendum and took by Crimea.

Russia helped China a lot in weapons technology, space program, technical know how.

Putin is the best leader in the world by a country mile. His Munich security conference speech in 2007 is legendary. One of the greatest speeches ever given.

Putin ended the Chechen war and revived Russian pride and honour.

Putin also solved the border issue with China.

Putin is the greatest leader in 21st century and one of the greatest leaders of all time.

When Putin speaks, I listen. He tells it like it is without the politically correct bullsh*t.

Putin's Russia is also very weak.

The Russian foreign exchange reserves have fallen from about $550 billion to $350 billion. Russia is burning through its emergency cash pile.

Russia is in a sanctions war with Europe, the United States, Canada, Australia, and Ukraine. You can now add Turkey to the list. This means the Russian economy will be stunted for many years to come. The standards of living in Russia have plummeted.

The Russian Ruble has lost half its value in two years (from 30 to 60 Rubles per US Dollar).

Russian budget cuts are devastating the Russian economy.

Putin is paying a very high price for his political agenda. While Putin's political gains are laudable (e.g. annexing part of Georgia and Crimea) from a Russian perspective, it is unclear whether Russia can hold on to those gains.

Thus, it is not a good idea to advocate that China emulate Russia. Putin's Russia may have won in the short term, but it could lose everything in the long term. Without China extending about $72 billion of credit (or more) to Russia, the Russian economy would probably have imploded by now.

The bottom line is that China's policy is: "Steady as she goes." China is earning an incredible $600 billion in annual trade surpluses. Why rock the boat?

If you want a muscular Chinese foreign policy, why not wait 15 years? China's Navy would be completely built out. Also, China would be mass producing its second generation of stealth fighters. Give China time to mature economically, technologically, and militarily. That would be the optimal time to flex Chinese military muscles.

 

[pher]

I quite don't understand why some Chinese flag bearer are angry at Turkey , specially since Turkey and China are no where near each other

your turk brother is capable of making enemies thousands mile away, this is their special talent.

 

[type93]

All countries that hate Isis should

 

[Martian2]

Ask yourself a basic question.

Who's stronger economically and technologically? Is it China or Russia?

Who's more prosperous? China or Russia?

If you think it's China then China has nothing to learn from the Russians. This means Chinese foreign policy is superior to Russia.

Putin has a massive plate of foreign policy headaches. Putin is at loggerheads with Georgia, Ukraine, European Union, United States, Canada, Australia, Turkey, and Japan (with the building of Russian military bases in the Kurils).

In contrast, China is good friends with just about everybody. China is firing on all cylinders. The economy is growing at US$1 trillion per year. The military upgrade is progressing nicely. China is extending its high-speed rail network into other countries (e.g. Laos and Thailand).

Why in the world would China want to accumulate intractable foreign policy problems like Russia?

 

[CAPRICORN-88]

Ask yourself a basic question.

Who's stronger economically and technologically? Is it China or Russia?

Who's more prosperous? China or Russia?

If you think it's China then China has nothing to learn from the Russians. This means Chinese foreign policy is superior to Russia.

Putin has a massive plate of foreign policy headaches. Putin is at loggerheads with Georgia, Ukraine, European Union, United States, Canada, Australia, Turkey, and Japan (with the building of Russian military bases in the Kurils).

In contrast, China is good friends with just about everybody. China is firing on all cylinders. The economy is growing at US$1 trillion per year. The military upgrade is progressing nicely. China is extending its high-speed rail network into other countries (e.g. Laos and Thailand).

Why in the world would China want to accumulate intractable foreign policy problems like Russia?

Agree. War is never an option nor the game plan of the Chinese leadership today.

That is why China did not responds to Obama's desperate provocation in the SCS.

 

[Martian2]

The reality is that Putin and his fellow Russian citizens are in a deep recession with no end in sight. Part of the blame is due to Russia's difficult foreign policy problems.

You cannot just look at the positive aspects of Russian foreign policy. You must also look at the cost. The cost is that Putin and all Russians face a difficult and uncertain economic future.

China has virtually unlimited amounts of money. In sharp contrast, Russia is about to go broke. Tell me again which country has the better foreign policy.
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