The Ghazi That Defied The Indian Navy

[American Pakistani]

I don't understand Urdu.And the source you posted was Dumb.Navy day is about Operation Trident.Its a well known fact.
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lol...i post indian source & indian news channal video.

 

[American Pakistani]

Its only because of their honest Generals that we had came to know the Truth About PNS Ghazi. If they wanted they could have remained shut!!! we will never have known about what had actually happened!

You mean if their generals won't tell the truth how Ghazi got martyred you would still be buying that B.S propaganda version

 

[Windjammer]

^ Totally off topic comment.

A submarine has to be most efficient during war time. They are crucial arm of any navy. You can't justify failure of your submarine by colliding Indian ships.

Its like you defend your stupidity by saying other one also did some stupidity.

Let the discussion on Ghazi as you wanted it to be.

That's a lame argument, under battle conditions accidents often occur, friendly fire, blue on blue are well known terminologies.
Even a famous US destroyer, while firing it's guns in exercise met an accident when one of the explosives detonated in the gun bay resulting in many casualties.

 

[ares]

Meeting an accident while operating in pitch darkness deep under ocean under battle condition in enemy territory is one thing, but what about the morons who end up colliding their surface ships in broad day light or the scum bags who end up driving their vehicle on the same path where they had planted mines.....back here we call them....intelligent Indians, since they know how to steer the steering.


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Even though those intelligent Indians can not steer a ship they did manage to kick your arse back then..speaks volume about your competence..and since we are nitpicking ..how about your aircraft strafing your own frigate and killing Pakistani crew members?

 

[Windjammer]

Even though those intelligent Indians can not steer a ship they did manage to kick your arse back then..speaks volume about your competence..and we are nitpicking ..how about your aircraft strafing your own frigate and killing Pakistani crew members?

You know, Israelis can take pride by taking on neighbours several times in it's own size....what is your joy in fighting with a country much smaller than yours and still managing to give you a bloody nose.
As said, in a war, even in this day and age accidents do occur....perhaps you are oblivious to the fact that in 1971 war, one of the first IAF causality was an Indian MiG leader shooting down his own No 2 in mistake for a PAF Mirage that was on a Judy mission. !!

 

[Azazel]

lol...i post indian source & indian news channal video.

You posted a BS source.Doesn't matter if its Indian or not.My father is a retired naval officer and I don't need anybody to tell me what Indian Navy Day is all about.Especially not a Pakistani

 

[KRAIT]

That's a lame argument, under battle conditions accidents often occur, friendly fire, blue on blue are well known terminologies.
Even a famous US destroyer, while firing it's guns in exercise met an accident when one of the explosives detonated in the gun bay resulting in many casualties.

Under battle conditions, accidents occur, agreed, but one can't deny the incompetency of the people involved who can't perform in the scenario in which they are supposed to work at the first place. Why would you station sailors on most crucial arm of Navy who can't work at their best in war time. Their failure caused huge loss to PN as submarine like PN Ghazi was way too important.

I agree friendly fire and blue on blue attack occurs, that's why there is thorough investigation, not a cover up or brushing off the incompetency of the people involved.

For US destroyer accident, it was failure of US Navy as they overlooked a fault in the system which caused the loss.

Again, in military you don't find excuse for failure rather accept the failure. Its about accepting the incompetency and learning from it.

That's how any military force evolve. When US planned OBL raid, they were skeptical as similar raid to save American diplomats taken hostage in Iran failed. They lost their helicopters and few men while attempting Iran rescue. Iran failed rescue attempt was learning event for US Special forces.

Ask any military person on this forum, whatever the cause has been, one can't ignore that accident occurred due to lack of efficiency of the sailors at that situation.

 

[Azazel]

Under battle conditions, accidents occur, agreed, but one can't deny the incompetency of the people involved who can't perform in the scenario in which they are supposed to work at the first place. Why would you station sailors on most crucial arm of Navy who can't work at their best in war time. Their failure caused huge loss to PN as submarine like PN Ghazi was way too important.

I agree friendly fire and blue on blue attack occurs, that's why there is thorough investigation, not a cover up or brushing off the incompetency of the people involved.

For US destroyer accident, it was failure of US Navy as they overlooked a fault in the system which caused the loss.

Again, in military you don't find excuse for failure rather accept the failure. Its about accepting the incompetency and learning from it.

That's how any military force evolve. When US planned OBL raid, they were skeptical as similar raid to save American diplomats taken hostage in Iran failed. They lost their helicopters and few men while attempting Iran rescue. Iran failed rescue attempt was learning event for US Special forces.

Ask any military person on this forum, whatever the cause has been, one can't ignore that accident occurred due to lack of efficiency of the sailors at that situation.

Pakistanis never even bothered to conduct an official inquiry about the loss of Ghazi.Clearly shows their attitude.

 

[ares]

You know, Israelis can take pride by taking on neighbours several times in it's own side....what is your joy in fighting with a country much smaller than yours and still managing to give you a bloody nose.

As a matter of fact winning does always give us joy. After all It wasn't as if entire Indian navy had launched Naval attack on Pakistani coast line. It was just 3 small missile boats(accompanied by frigate which was just providing anti-aircraft vover) manage to blockade entire west Pakistan and lit up Karachi ..so size of Indian Navy is irrelevant in this context.. it all comes down planning, tactics and ingenuity of Indian Naval officer.

But on the other hand you are right ..Pakistan does try to box above its weight and thus gets knocked out..so what if manages to get a shot or two..end result does not change. You really can't complain when you get knocked out..you should be smarter in picking your opponent..perhaps some one your own size.

As said, in a war, even in this day and age accidents do occur....perhaps you are oblivious to the fact that in 1971 war, one of the first IAF causality was an Indian MiG leader shooting down his own No 2 in mistake for a PAF Mirage that was on a Judy mission. !!

You contradict yourself ..if accident occur in war time.. don't accident occur in peace time?? Have you never heard of two ships colliding at sea..wonder why ITLOS came up with COLREGS.

 

[Windjammer]

Under battle conditions, accidents occur, agreed, but one can't deny the incompetency of the people involved who can't perform in the scenario in which they are supposed to work at the first place. Why would you station sailors on most crucial arm of Navy who can't work at their best in war time. Their failure caused huge loss to PN as submarine like PN Ghazi was way too important.

I agree friendly fire and blue on blue attack occurs, that's why there is thorough investigation, not a cover up or brushing off the incompetency of the people involved.

For US destroyer accident, it was failure of US Navy as they overlooked a fault in the system which caused the loss.

Again, in military you don't find excuse for failure rather accept the failure. Its about accepting the incompetency and learning from it.

That's how any military force evolve. When US planned OBL raid, they were skeptical as similar raid to save American diplomats taken hostage in Iran failed. They lost their helicopters and few men while attempting Iran rescue. Iran failed rescue attempt was learning event for US Special forces.

Ask any military person on this forum, whatever the cause has been, one can't ignore that accident occurred due to lack of efficiency of the sailors at that situation.

The most precious thing to a human is his life and when you are dealing with death and destruction, i'm sure your life becomes even more dear. Since you are going global, do recall the shooting down of a South Korean airliner by the Russians with the loss of several hundred lives.....all because the pilot trusted with so many lives and million dollars worth of equipment for whatever reason flying off course.....i can give you several more examples however like you said there was a fault with the system in US destroyer and albeit we tend to make example of others, has it occurred to you that the Ghazi could have been a unavoidable tragedy that was waiting to happen.....like the mine prematurely detonating or some other malfunction.
BTW, India's best brains are at work behind the LCA and Arjun.....how many have been held accountable......similar could be said about those refitting the Indian aircraft carrier. !!!!

 

[KRAIT]

The most precious thing to a human is his life and when you are dealing with death and destruction, i'm sure your life becomes even more dear. Since you are going global, do recall the shooting down of a South Korean airliner by the Russians with the loss of several hundred lives.....all because the pilot trusted with so many lives and million dollars worth of equipment for whatever reason flying off course.....i can give you several more examples however like you said there was a fault with the system in US destroyer and albeit we tend to make example of others, has it occurred to you that the Ghazi could have been a unavoidable tragedy that was waiting to happen.....like the mine prematurely detonating or some other malfunction.
BTW, India's best brains are at work behind the LCA and Arjun.....how many have been held accountable......similar could be said about those refitting the Indian aircraft carrier. !!!!

Now you are clutching to straws. LCA and Arjun are in development not deployed in war time like PN Ghazi. Arjun MK I is already in active duty. 128 inducted.

Russians shot down South Korean because it changed its flight course, didn't identify itself and invaded Russian airspace. I just met with a guy whose brother was taking pilot training and mistakenly entered US Naval airspace. Missile was locked and he had just 2 mins to change the course.

I am not discussing JF BLock II or your nuke submarine development for which you can quote LCA and Arjun. The example I gave was accident that happened in actual operation during war time, not some testing of developmental air craft.

Sorry sir, I think you don't want to accept a simple thing that something went wrong in case of PN Ghazi and your reason provided for its sinking is not verifiable. How come you know that it was mine prematurely malfunctioning or other malfunctioning, and even if I accept it, it was a gross mistake which cost PN a lot.

Even when two airplanes collide in mid air, there is official investigation. Kindly give me report of official investigation of PN Ghazi and exact reason for its sinking. If you can't then there is endless list of reasons that can be given, like incompetency of the sailors.

I rest my case here. I know you will now bring unrelated and illogical examples like LCA, Arjun, Gorshkov.

 

[American Pakistani]

You posted a BS source.Doesn't matter if its Indian or not.My father is a retired naval officer and I don't need anybody to tell me what Indian Navy Day is all about.Especially not a Pakistani

Here you go son

Your Navy cheif admit & expose the truth.

 

[RajputWarrior]

Some souvenirs the IN obtained after pakistani sailors' and Ghazi's watery fate.

Remains of PNS Ghazi the destroyed Paksitani submarine off the coast of Vizag in the 1971 war with pakistan

 

[Azazel]

Here you go son

Your Navy cheif admit & expose the truth.

What's the big deal.It doesn't make much difference now.

 

[manojb]

You know, Israelis can take pride by taking on neighbours several times in it's own size....what is your joy in fighting with a country much smaller than yours and still managing to give you a bloody nose.
As said, in a war, even in this day and age accidents do occur....perhaps you are oblivious to the fact that in 1971 war, one of the first IAF causality was an Indian MiG leader shooting down his own No 2 in mistake for a PAF Mirage that was on a Judy mission. !!

you give bloody nose , while you get knocked out