The Future of Kashmir? "Seven" Possible Solutions!

[Brisingr]

The only solution for Kashmir is to let the people decide in plebiscite what they want to do with their future.
1. Join Pakistan
2. Join India
3. Independence
while Pakistan and India accept the decision of people of Kashmir.

we will also conduct a poll in North-West Pakistan among the talibens.while Pakistan ,India and rest of the world accept the decision of talibens.

 

[dabong1]

1.The president of kashmir is rotated every year between the indian and pakistan president.

This will give power to the pak-indo govts to keep a check on kashmir and will increase understanding and cooperation between the two nations.
You might not want a pakistani as the president of "indian" kashmir for a year but do not forget that the "pakistani" kashmiris will have to be under a indian president also for a year.

2.All three flags flown on public buildings.

A nice fudging of the issue with the indian flag flying high in muzzafrabad alongside the pak and kashmir flag and vice versa the pakistani flag flying high in srinagar alongside the indo-kashmir flag.
At least when the army men on either side of the border said that there nations flag will be flying high on the other side they will be proved correct but not in they way the thought.


3.Kashmir to have no military-foreign postions......the kashmiri wishes are represented through the indian-pak embassies.

4.elected memebers of the kashmir parliment are represented in the pak-india parliments.

6.People with pakistani-indian passports keep the same documentation but are issued a kashmir citizen card.

9.Kashmiris on the indian side participate in the the indian election and send representatives to the indian parliment

10.The kashmiris on the pakistani side participate in the pakistani election and send representatives to the pak parliment.

11.The people of kashmir also have kashmir specfic elections where non military-foreign issues are debated in the kashmir

All the above are to do with letting indians know that issue of "secular" india and the fear that every other state in india will want to independent if the kashmiris get there way is put to rest.
The kashmiris hold indian passports,take part in indian state elections ect should be enough for the indians to keep thinking off them as "indian kashmiris".


5.Pakistan pays for the resettling of hindu kashmiri refugees and india pays for the resettling of muslim kashmiri refugees and both pay towards the sikh refugees to be resettled.

We could use this issue to show the goodwill between the two nations and give a boost to the final settlement.


7.Merge the two police forces.

A way for the indians to keep a track on whats going on pak kashmir and vice versa......it will build trust as each can make sure that kashmir is not being used to undermine either nation.

8.Both currencies can be used in kashmir....dual pricing like you have on any holiday location.

Very easy to do.
http://www.defence.pk/forums/world-affairs/37658-what-solution-kashmir.html#post531585

 

[jarnee]

Your logic stinks jarnee. Ite like selling one of your family member to a businessman for comforting the rest in your family. Will you do it???

Maybe i am wrong!! but what is the solution??.. I think there is none.

India has given so many sacifices ..faught wars to defend it..families destroyed ... the area is priceless..

What will pakistan do after they get it ..? they dont have anything to help them.. the best place for people of Kashmir is to be in India or be part of relatively prosperous China.

Independent Kashmir is not possible.

 

[jarnee]

^^ so what talks is Manmohan singh talking about...if there is election ..and india wins on Indian side and Pakistan on its side then ..both will say cheating cheating!!

India will surely win ....if at all peblicite is done India will win..and there is no fairness in election..anywhere in subcontinent...
There are segments in Kashmir who are sepratist and others pro-india .. the battle is between them...and if election happens ,,,India has more money to buy political leaders... bottom line ..Money talks...also international audience here if at all allowed will be yours America..which anyway is accused to be pro india

 

[Spring Onion]

Pakistani politician , ppl of pakistan , On this forum and else where..keep talking about solution to kashmir. so what is the solution?

Give all to Pakistan?



And what about 20% Hindu population ..?..the demand is due to religious reasons right? and what about 15 Crore muslims in other parts of india..?

remember this dispute is diffrent from Palestine dispute.

Dont give it to us as it doesnt belong to us neither to India.

So give it back to Kashmiris who are the owners of Kashmir which illegaly occupied by India.

Hold referendum under UN and other neutral observers and neutral countries, which will determine the fate of Kashmir.

Those areas which vote for joining India would go to you those who want an Independent Kashmir would go independent and those who want to be with Pakistan would join us.

If you are so sure of your command there and if you are so sure that they are with you then why you are afraid of holding a just neutral referendum in Kashmir.

 

[Nemesis]

There is no solution per say that will satisfy either India or Pakistan. I say give both sides of Kashmir greater autonomy and allow people from both sides to come to either side of Kashmir regularly.

 

[Nihat]

great, and then we can have a referrendum party all across india and the world. Other seperatist organizations in india would get encouragement then and believe that violence is the solution to everything.

There are other territorial issues across the world , for eg - Tibet in China , Israel- Palestine, Taiwan- China, Chechneya and Russia, there was the falklands issue between UK and Argentina. Referendum is not held for every kind of dispute.

Before anyone points out UN resolutions, I'll tell you to go look up the long history behind why that was not implemented then.

Another concern is that an Independent Kashmir may well become another safe haven for Anti- India militants, who then then attack india on the pretext of alleged human rights crimes over 20 years. It'll just never end.

 

[Spring Onion]

There is no solution per say that will satisfy either India or Pakistan.

It is not about satisfying India or Pakistan its about people of Kashmir.

The easiest soultion is to let the Kashmiri people decide which side they want to be or even Independent.


Hold referendum and give Kashmiris choice to decide whether they want

1. To be with India

2. To be with Pakistan
or

3. To be Independent.

I say give both sides of Kashmir greater autonomy and allow people from both sides to come to either side of Kashmir regularly.

Still the onus is on India. are you ready to give more autonomy?

And do you know that there is no communication system allowed in Indian Held Kashmir to make calls to Pakistan whereas Pakistan has allowed not only recieving but also we can make calls to Indian Held Kashmir from here

 

[Comet]

great, and then we can have a referrendum party all across india and the world. Other seperatist organizations in india would get encouragement then and believe that violence is the solution to everything.

There are other territorial issues across the world , for eg - Tibet in China , Israel- Palestine, Taiwan- China, Chechneya and Russia, there was the falklands issue between UK and Argentina. Referendum is not held for every kind of dispute.

Only if you have held "other parts" illegally.

Before anyone points out UN resolutions, I'll tell you to go look up the long history behind why that was not implemented then.

What are you pointing at?

Another concern is that an Independent Kashmir may well become another safe haven for Anti- India militants, who then then attack india on the pretext of alleged human rights crimes over 20 years. It'll just never end.

No it wont. If you give due share to someone, they wont bother asking for more.

 

[PlanetWarrior]

1.The president of kashmir is rotated every year between the indian and pakistan president.

This will give power to the pak-indo govts to keep a check on kashmir and will increase understanding and cooperation between the two nations.
You might not want a pakistani as the president of "indian" kashmir for a year but do not forget that the "pakistani" kashmiris will have to be under a indian president also for a year.

2.All three flags flown on public buildings.

A nice fudging of the issue with the indian flag flying high in muzzafrabad alongside the pak and kashmir flag and vice versa the pakistani flag flying high in srinagar alongside the indo-kashmir flag.
At least when the army men on either side of the border said that there nations flag will be flying high on the other side they will be proved correct but not in they way the thought.


3.Kashmir to have no military-foreign postions......the kashmiri wishes are represented through the indian-pak embassies.

4.elected memebers of the kashmir parliment are represented in the pak-india parliments.

6.People with pakistani-indian passports keep the same documentation but are issued a kashmir citizen card.

9.Kashmiris on the indian side participate in the the indian election and send representatives to the indian parliment

10.The kashmiris on the pakistani side participate in the pakistani election and send representatives to the pak parliment.

11.The people of kashmir also have kashmir specfic elections where non military-foreign issues are debated in the kashmir

All the above are to do with letting indians know that issue of "secular" india and the fear that every other state in india will want to independent if the kashmiris get there way is put to rest.
The kashmiris hold indian passports,take part in indian state elections ect should be enough for the indians to keep thinking off them as "indian kashmiris".


5.Pakistan pays for the resettling of hindu kashmiri refugees and india pays for the resettling of muslim kashmiri refugees and both pay towards the sikh refugees to be resettled.

We could use this issue to show the goodwill between the two nations and give a boost to the final settlement.


7.Merge the two police forces.

A way for the indians to keep a track on whats going on pak kashmir and vice versa......it will build trust as each can make sure that kashmir is not being used to undermine either nation.

8.Both currencies can be used in kashmir....dual pricing like you have on any holiday location.

Very easy to do.
http://www.defence.pk/forums/world-affairs/37658-what-solution-kashmir.html#post531585

A very good solution except that I will add that this should be a temporary position for a few years until the position is stabilised in Kashmir and the Kashmiris are in a position to decide if they want independence or to merge with India or Pakistan. The joint rule will hopefully bring in a period for Pakistan and India to learn to trust each other. As I stated in another thread, Kashmir could become the umbilical cord which unites India and Pakistan. But Indian and Pakistani politicians would roll over and die rather than settle the issue of Kashmir for once and forever

 

[Spring Onion]

A very good solution except that I will add that this should be a temporary position for a few years until the position is stabilised in Kashmir and the Kashmiris are in a position to decide if they want independence or to merge with India or Pakistan. The joint rule will hopefully bring in a period for Pakistan and India to learn to trust each other. As I stated in another thread, Kashmir could become the umbilical cord which unites India and Pakistan. But Indian and Pakistani politicians would roll over and die rather than settle the issue of Kashmir for once and forever

This solution was given by Musharraf too but it was rejected by India.

As far as politicians on both sides are concerned i feel one day both will be rubbing their hands when US will get the pie.

So its better for India and Pakistan to solve it before US gets Kashmir as its base in the region

 

[Barrett]

As far as the buying idea is concerned it did come as a surprise to me .... how much are the legitimate indian areas for ? On a more serious note the solution to Kashmir are the various UN resolutions which are acceptable to both Pakistan and Kashmiri people. Kashmir belongs to India the same way Palestine belongs to Israel and Afghanistan,Iraq to US. Occupying land by force will never provide the right to claim it.

Resolution of the Commission of January 5, 1949


6. (b) All person (other than citizens of the State) who on or since 15 August 1947 have entered it for other than lawful purpose, shall be required to leave the State

I suppose the 600,000 army personals do fall under that category.

In my opinion there is no political solution to the Kashmir issue mainly because of the Indian policies of aggression.

 

[logic]

great, and then we can have a referrendum party all across india and the world. Other seperatist organizations in india would get encouragement then and believe that violence is the solution to everything.

There are other territorial issues across the world , for eg - Tibet in China , Israel- Palestine, Taiwan- China, Chechneya and Russia, there was the falklands issue between UK and Argentina. Referendum is not held for every kind of dispute.

Before anyone points out UN resolutions, I'll tell you to go look up the long history behind why that was not implemented then.

Another concern is that an Independent Kashmir may well become another safe haven for Anti- India militants, who then then attack india on the pretext of alleged human rights crimes over 20 years. It'll just never end.

Dear according to your logic India Pakistan and Kasmir will be locked up in the death match forever.

 

[Beskar]

Threads Merged.

 

[PlanetWarrior]

Dear according to your logic India Pakistan and Kasmir will be locked up in the death match forever.

I have not read all the posts in this thread as they are too numerous so forgive me if I am being repetitive of some other post/s. What confuses me is why India and Pakistan cannot reach agreement for the joint control of the whole of Kashmir. Dabong's suggestion of rotating presidency between India and Pakistan must be given a Perhaps a 10-15 year period for joint rule and undertakings to build up the region of Kashmir jointly. Indian and Pakistani troops to be removed completely from Kashmir. A joint effort by India and Pakistan to train a formidable Kashmiri police force. Now that Pakistan is removing extremists from its soil, India's fears of Islamic insurgency from Pakistan should be scaled down. Emphasis should be for India and Pakistan to remove their nationals from Kashmir over a period and to eventually create an atmosphere in Kashmir which will allow the Kashmiris eventually to vote on whether they want independence or merger with India or Pakistan. A wealthy independent Kashmir as a buffer between India and Pakistan and a nation grateful to India and Pakistan for its successful creation can only serve the interests of India and Pakistan. That can only happen though if India and Pakistan and their successive governments are sincere in their approach towards Kashmir.

Joint rule by India and Pakistan will also give these 2 nations an opportunity to work together towards a common goal. Instead of harvesting bombs they could jointly harvest the most fertile region in Asia to the benefit of all of the people of Kashmir, India and Pakistan