The first wife syndrome!

[Norwegian]

On the part in bold above - why did Jinnah accept the partition if it was so one sided as suggested ?

As @Oscar suggested, Jinnah at the time had NO choice. He was terminally ill and dying of tuberculosis anyway. He might have understood that its now or never situation. With British gone and United India under Congress, Indian Muslims could never get their demands met by an overwhelmingly Hindu majority! Just look what they did in Muslim majority Kashmir and in Muslim ruled Nizam Hyderabad!

 

[third eye]

Haste, he was worried that the British may not give partition under the guise of "unworkable solution".

A fine example then of ' Act in haste & repent in leisure " ...maybe ?

Fact is that Jinnah was aware that he was in a terminal stage of TB and took what he got while he could.

As @Oscar suggested, Jinnah at the time had NO choice. He was terminally ill and dying of tuberculosis anyway. He might have understood that its now or never situation. With British gone and United India under Congress, Indian Muslims could never get their demands met by an overwhelmingly Hindu majority! Just look what they did in Muslim majority Kashmir and in Muslim ruled Nizam Hyderabad!

We both wrote the same thing at the same time !

 

[Norwegian]

We both wrote the same thing at the same time !

Perfect timing

 

[syedali73]

Haste, he was worried that the British may not give partition under the guise of "unworkable solution".

Haste due to his failing health, which also tells that he didn't have much confidence in the capabilities of his companions and he wanted to make sure that Pakistan comes into being while he was still alive.

 

[Norwegian]

Haste due to his failing health, which also tells that he didn't have much confidence in the capabilities of his companions and he wanted to make sure that Pakistan comes into being while he was still alive.

The rest of "conquest" or "jihad" of remaining India was left in Pakistan Army's (former British Indian Army) hands. They are still trying to figure out how to reach Jammu & Kashmir.

 

[OrionHunter]

So shall we stop being the miserable first wife of the US and a country obsessed with India, and grow up and develop our country on a sounder, more pragmatic basis?

Published in The Express Tribune, February 7th, 2015.

Yes!! Time to change course as this one is taking Pakistan nowhere but back. This Indian centric obsession must cease. The only way forward is cooperation and friendly relations. But that is easier said than done because Pakistan is an ideological state, not a nation state. And that's where the problem lies.

 

[SwAggeR]

As @Oscar suggested, Jinnah at the time had NO choice. He was terminally ill and dying of tuberculosis anyway. He might have understood that its now or never situation. With British gone and United India under Congress, Indian Muslims could never get their demands met by an overwhelmingly Hindu majority! Just look what they did in Muslim majority Kashmir and in Muslim ruled Nizam Hyderabad!

What they did to Hyderabad ?? Do you wanted it for Pakistan ?? Small land locked princely state was surrounded by India from all sides, no sane man would have given Hyderabad to pakistan . And if you had not shown impatience, Kashmir on it's own would have fallen in your lap.But that was not to be . Shias who were at forefront of division at that time, today should be cursing their ancestors for mistake they made.

 

[Norwegian]

But that is easier said than done because Pakistan is an ideological state, not a nation state.

Pakistan is in fact a nation state of Indian Muslims. Pakistan movement was all about an independent homeland for Indian Muslims. It was an idea similar to Zionism - a quest for Jewish homeland in Palestine - a nation state for Palestinian Jews.

What they did to Hyderabad ?? Do you wanted it for Pakistan ?? Small land locked princely state was surrounded by India from all sides, no sane man would have given Hyderabad to pakistan . And if you had not shown impatience, Kashmir on it's own would have fallen in your lap.But that was not to be . Shias who were at forefront of division at that time, today should be cursing their ancestors for mistake they made.

Stop your BS! Nizam Hyderabad was ruled by a Muslim princely family for hundreds of years. Your government had NO right to invade, annex and expel its rightful owner as much as Pakistani government had no right to invade princely state of Jammu and Kashmir. Your terrorist government did the same with Goa decades later.

 

[SwAggeR]

The rest of "conquest" or "jihad" of remaining India was left in Pakistan Army's (former British Indian Army) hands. They are still trying to figure out how to reach Jammu & Kashmir.

Only if they had not taken the military route fooled by some foolish notion of 1=10.

 

[third eye]

Pakistan is in fact a nation state of Indian Muslims. Pakistan movement was all about an independent homeland for Indian Muslims. It was an idea similar to Zionism - a quest for Jewish homeland in Palestine - a nation state for Palestinian Jews.

Well put, wonder how many here will agree with this.

 

[Norwegian]

Only if they had not taken the military route fooled by some foolish notion of 1=10.

My point is pretty clear on this. Pakistan shouldn't have forcefully assimilated princely state of Kashmir as much as India shouldn't have assimilated Goa and Nizam Hyderabad into its territory. These princely states were given freedom to remain independent or join either India or Pakistan. In practice, their sovereignty was VIOLATED by both Pakistan and India. Forceful annexation is no solution at all!

 

[SwAggeR]

Pakistan is in fact a nation state of Indian Muslims. Pakistan movement was all about an independent homeland for Indian Muslims. It was an idea similar to Zionism - a quest for Jewish homeland in Palestine - a nation state for Palestinian Jews.



Stop your BS! Nizam Hyderabad was ruled by a Muslim princely family for hundreds of years. Your government had NO right to invade, annex and expel its rightful owner as much as Pakistani government had no right to invade princely state of Jammu and Kashmir. Your terrorist government did the same with Goa decades later.

So you are talking about Goa ?? By that logic we shouldn't have even overthrown Britishers.

Hyderabad had nowhere to go . Argument of 400 years is rubbish , regimes changes with time. Even Delhi was under seize for almost 500 years, so what ???

My point is pretty clear on this. Pakistan shouldn't have forcefully assimilated princely state of Kashmir as much as India shouldn't have assimilated Goa and Nizam Hyderabad into its territory. These princely states were given freedom to remain independent or join either India or Pakistan. In practice, their sovereignty was VIOLATED by both Pakistan and India. Forceful annexation is no solution at all!

Be grateful to us that unlike you we didn't drove out minority.

 

[Norwegian]

So you are talking about Goa ?? By that logic we shouldn't have even overthrown Britishers.

Hyderabad had nowhere to go . Argument of 400 years is rubbish , regimes changes with time. Even Delhi was under seize for almost 500 years, so what ???

Delhi was under Muslim-rule for hundreds of years. So what? Point being made is that princely states of British Raj had a choice to remain independent. This verdict was never followed as Dominion of Pakistan and India soon engulfed those states.

Be grateful to us that unlike you we didn't drove out minority.

Yeah, sure. Hindus, Sikhs, Christians are still a minority in Pakistan.

 

[third eye]

My point is pretty clear on this. Pakistan shouldn't have forcefully assimilated princely state of Kashmir as much as India shouldn't have assimilated Goa and Nizam Hyderabad into its territory. These princely states were given freedom to remain independent or join either India or Pakistan. In practice, their sovereignty was VIOLATED by both Pakistan and India. Forceful annexation is no solution at all!

You are factually incorrect.

The Princely states had only two options - India or Pakistan. Independence was not an option.

J&K acceded to India while the Nizam hoped to remain independent ,till a year after Independence he held on vainly hoping to stay independent.

This was unacceptable and went against the very fabric of Independence gained by India & Pakistan.

Delhi was under Muslim-rule for hundreds of years. So what? Point being made is that princely states of British Raj had a choice to remain independent. This verdict was never followed as Dominion of Pakistan and India soon engulfed those states.
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Independence was not an option.

 

[SwAggeR]

Delhi was under Muslim-rule for hundreds of years. So what? Point being made is that princely states of British Raj had a choice to remain independent. This verdict was never followed as Dominion of Pakistan and India soon engulfed those states.

Point being regime changes and we took back what was ours since ages.

Yeah, sure. Hindus, Sikhs, Christians are still a minority in Pakistan.

But the pace at which their population is diminishing , the day is not far away when they will become extinct.