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Miss, help me understand, who provided military, judicial, political support and the $$$$ for the Zarb-Azb??? Did the military JUST come up with it? Be very careful in answering this as I will give you the reality back.

Why don't you straightforwardly answer your own question & give me the reality back.

Is that right? So the Chinese, the Turks, the Americans, the Britts, the Russians ALL came in due to the military / Gen. RS's work :yahoo: :rofl: :no: :nono:

If these generals are SUCH statesmen, why was Pakistan going bankrupt 3 years ago? Why did NS and SS practically lived in China on and off for a few months to get the Chinese to agree? Why did the stock market come up in Pakistan when the new (then) Pakistani government announce reforms on investments? What brought the Russians in and why? Same with the Britts, and the Americans.... so ten generals over 40 years eff up the country, create militias internally, monsters of terrorism, and one general FINALLY realizes that he's got to clean this mess up. So you'd call him a God father for cleaning the mess up that his own 3-4 star generals started?? That's very smart!! In reality, he's JUST ding his job.

Taking credit away, and giving it to someone of your liking is typical Pakistani thing. No doubt about it. Add conspiracy theories and favorites, you guys make your own country look bad by playing favorites. I've not seen another nation who puts their own countries interests behind, to support a guy they like, whether right or wrong!! Pretty damn sad!

Due to better security condition than previous few years. Who fixed this problem? Try to understand my point here.
Before jumping to the conclusion & missing out what I have mentioned, is not going to be helpful. See we can't blame one for others wrong doings. Those 40 who ****** up the country were not praise and now we can't put all that blame this man. I know his just doing his job. At the moment when almost everyone is corrupted and not doing what they suppose to do. This man surely deserves all this respect and praise. He could be the same like others. Then? Don't we know the atmosphere in Pakistan? He is that straw for people, which one gets while drowning. We actually find it haram to appreciate.
Ok who deserves the credit?
 
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ONLY in Pakistan, Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, Libya and such countries, you can write utter crap like the above, and get away with it.

So what does one general has to do to be "SO" popular? Finally try to cure the Cancer created and supported by previous generals???? And somehow that should create love and respect for the general? In other democratic countries, the previous generals would be put on trial for creating these militias as treason.

Can someone share with me ONE growth policy that Pakistani military created in her 60 years of rule? One study, policy or laws to create more jobs, estimation of growing population, need for electricity, water, hospitals, education, ANYTHING that was actually done for the PEOPLE of Pakistan by the military??

I have a lot of respect for Gen. RS (on a personal relationship), I know the guy well and he has too much integrity to seek power and "fame". But I am questioning what's in people's heads who write utter crap and propaganda like above. In Pakistan's 70 years of history, the military is the most over glorified institution in the country!!




So now NS and IK are giving props to Gen. RS for bringing the Stock Markets and Credit Ratings up, FDI and all economic growth????? :o:o_O :yahoo: :rofl: :crazy: :angel: :nana: :omghaha:!!

Only in Pakistan can the journalists go to such low-level that they lie and abuse their writing power to this degree. RS is a great general, but the guy can't spell Foreign Direct Investment, let alone negotiating to bring it in. The stock market and the Chinese investments had already been agreed upon between NS and the Chinese government. Way before the Zarb-Azb was ever conceived!!!! The stock market had already doubled before IK's sit-ins. May be Kiyani ( 6 billion ruppees corruption, just did a plea-bargain with NS's government to keep his name hidden) and Mushy ( over $ 500 million, majority sent to son in Boston) and other generals who did hundreds of millions worth of investments, decided to invest that black money into the stock market and that's how it went up :fie: :drag:

what is the difference between militias created by dictators and militias supported and created by americans? Militias created by Pakistani Generals, Iraqis, Syrians and Libyans are bad and the likes of those such as against Qaddafi, against saddam, against Bashar al Asad etc. created or financed by americans are good and need appreciation?

In the era of dictatorship and democracy, when was Pakistani currency more stable and growth rates were highest and stable as well as FDI rates?

In the era of which dictator or democratically elected leader, dams have been built that are serving as lifeline for Pakistani agriculture ?

Is it possible to have sustained economic growth, functioning stock markets, stable business environment in a country infested with insurgency and deteriorated law and order situation especially in cities which are business hubs?

What are the professional credentials and educational qualifications of Nawaz Sharif, Shahbaz Sharif, Maryam Nawaz Sharif, Hamza Shahbaz Sharif, Ishaq Dar (Father in law of daughter of Nawaz Sharif), Abid Sher Ali (nephew of Kulsoom Nawaz Sharif) ?

what is difference between monarchy and democracy?

can a vote of an educated person like you and that of an illiterate person be equal?
 
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what is the difference between militias created by dictators and militias supported and created by americans? Militias created by Pakistani Generals, Iraqis, Syrians and Libyans are bad and the likes of those such as against Qaddafi, against saddam, against Bashar al Asad etc. created or financed by americans are good and need appreciation?

Read your own question twice with respect to the topic and you'll see how useless your questions are.......the topic was Pakistani generals support for militants and the current Army Chief trying to clean it up, which is his job, but your military like it did for the 60 years, is spending time and effort in over glorifying him. While it is HIS JOB to get civilian order and deploy right away and finish the mission. But the military, to retain is "over glorified role" in Pakistan, is showing Gen. RS as a Messiah. When he is JUST fixing the crap previous generals started.

Now, the sad media machine of the military is trying to take credit or the stock market,the investments and all. When it is ALL current government's effort. Even a critic like IK said it yesterday, that he gives credit to NS for the peace and stability that has been brought about due to Zarb-Azb. But here, you people, as always, are over writing the civilian efforts by constantly using illiterate Pakistanis through the media and hiding the military's faults, and blaming everything onto the civilians, who, for the first time (unlike 60 dark years of the military rule) have worked had to create a new modern and peaceful Pakistan

Now what the hell the US has to do anything with this? Don't derail the thread, open up a new thread on the US and I'll debate you there. This is a purely Pakistani military and civilian's rated thread based on OP's article of over glorifying Pakistani Military. 60+ years of darkness and minus 200% human development and you people turn your face away from the actual problem. That is the military operates on civilian policies and doesn't steal the government as it is incompetent to run a country and that's not their job!!


In the era of dictatorship and democracy, when was Pakistani currency more stable and growth rates were highest and stable as well as FDI rates?

This right here tells me how much you know about life and economics in general and how much poisonous military propaganda is in your head. Another "imaginary issue"!!

The dollar doesn't go Up or Down because the world is SO concerned with a tiny little country like Pakistan!!!! The inflation kicks in every few years. Now if you are getting pumped billions of dollars (Afghan War, and then WOT), you can remain the dollar cost at low.

What the fukk does dollar has to do with human growth in Pakistan, or lack of it exercised by the military for over60 years? Lt's say the dollar is 200 rupees or 55 rupees......what difference does it make to the people of Pakistan (poor people, over 150 MILLION of them)???? NOTHING!!!!! They wanted roads, schools, opportunity, jobs, better parks, transportation, better benefits, better homes throughout the 60 years of "low dollar value" as you put it. But despite the "low dollar to rupee" ratio, did the not-so-economic-savvy military do something for the people? FUKK NO!! So the dollar ended up getting into the pockets of Mushy, his core commander buddies and others.

Gen. Kiyani just did a plea bargain to return 6.7 billion rupees (all corruption), so his name can be kept in dark. Can you tell me why? Mushy's son now has hundreds of millions worth of assets in the US and across. Mushy's buddies and even a couple of members ON PDF, (ex-Pak military) living in Turkey and other places washed their hands with millions of dollars.......so what did the "low dollar value" do for the people? NOTHING. Your military is just as corrupt as the civilian leadership!!

What the people need was work for them, better transportation, better education, schools, etc, etc. No military rule provided it. So I'd take a higher dollar BUT a civilian system who does provide stuff for the PEOPLE. Period!!!! And it is happening now.


In the era of which dictator or democratically elected leader, dams have been built that are serving as lifeline for Pakistani agriculture ?

Your generals have never ALLOWED a civilian rule to be completed. In the US, the people try to elect one President two terms (unless he fukks it up real bad), WHY? because they know it takes a few years to understand the issues and create policies. The later half of the first term is when you start to make changes at a larger country base, and it takes a few years to see the results. Obama's economic growth policy was implemented a couple of years after he took the power. The results were seen day before YESTERDAY. When the US Fed, increase the interest rate in like 8 years as the economy is not only back, the market is at its historic highest. Does this tell you how a system works?

Now, since this is going to be a system fulfilling her time, the Dams, Schools, Jobs, Tax base and all, will increase more than the past 70 years of Pakistan's life!!!! So the civilian rulers doing the work, porduces more results all around than ALL past 70 years combined. The military rule of 60 years, couldn't produce 20% of what these guys are going to produce in their 5 years!!!!! But it seems like now the military wants to play some more tricks and claim the economic growth also. Not realizing that this time, any screw up from the power hungry few generals will result in Egypt style coupe. Where the military will deal with millions of its civilians and the country would probably break.

'The military follows the civilian policies, end of the story. They salute the Premier and when asked to, they leave their belt behind and still leave with a salute. Anything else NOW, will mean the military vs. civilians in millions and probably a break up of the country. People have been sick and tired of living in darkness while the military generals get richer and don't do shiit for the people, and nor do they have the sense to.

Is it possible to have sustained economic growth, functioning stock markets, stable business environment in a country infested with insurgency and deteriorated law and order situation especially in cities which are business hubs?

If you see the economic growth.....it had ALREADY started after NS announced his policies. Before the sit-ins, the Chinese and the Turkish presidents were going to come, in the middle of such bad situation. When NS cut these deals, he told these guys he would clean up the mess of terrorism. Had he not provided the $$$$ and the support, your military can't mobilize 20,000 troops without someone footing the bill. Back then, Pakistan was about to go broke and bankrupt. How do you think your military would've carried out any operation if there wasn't political and financials backing???? Would these generals return the corruption money and commissions to create a fund to support military deployments in FATA :rofl: :angel:. NO!! Its NS and his government who did that and provided whatever was necessary!!

NS ordered the military to go clean up the terrorists, which is military's job to do (which were there and breeding for over two decades and no military general could do jack shiit). Even in the US, the governors have called the National Guards and the Army as need be. No iffs and butts. That's their job.

One of my special forces buddy and I were at a party, someone asked him about Obama as Obama had JUST taken power. My buddy responded " we don't comment on politics and civilian matters, the civilian government makes the policies, and when the Commander-in-Chief orders, we go execute those!! Enough said!!!!

What are the professional credentials and educational qualifications of Nawaz Sharif, Shahbaz Sharif, Maryam Nawaz Sharif, Hamza Shahbaz Sharif, Ishaq Dar (Father in law of daughter of Nawaz Sharif), Abid Sher Ali (nephew of Kulsoom Nawaz Sharif) ?

All of them have college education, a basic requirements in 99% of the countries of the world to be in the office. Plus, what qualifications do the military generals bring to the table? People like Zia and Mushy couldn't TALK properly and were abusive and cheap when they addressed their own people and civilian leaders. You think in a modern country a military general can arrest or hang an elected PM on made up charges of treason? Sounds like Saddam, Kadhafi, Zia, Mushy, Sudanese general, ALL become generals by going to the SAME fanatics school of thought!!!!

What did, supposedly "Oxford educated" IK brought to the table? Embarrassing children like abusive speeches, the sit-ins, the scary politics that nearly collided Pathans vs. Punjabis and started a civil war till he was told to STFU by the establishment due to the drama of Pashtunistan????

So fukk the qualifications, as long as someone meets the basic criteria AND produces for the PEOPLE of Pakistan, that's what matters. And the current government is producing a LOT for Pakistan. Their legacy is established. 550K military men and their supporting families can NEVER suspend the constitution, the rights of 200 MILLION people ever again in the future, you can mark my words.

what is difference between monarchy and democracy?

What a question :yahoo:. Coming from a person who supports Dictatorship!!!!!! Ask yourself the question and you'll have an answer. Pakistan doesn't have Monarchy btw!!

can a vote of an educated person like you and that of an illiterate person be equal?

Absolutely, the illiterate person may not have the education, but he does understand which political candidate is promising what. And which candidate HE voted for, has delivered what. That doesn't require a PHD. In five years, if the illiterate candidates don't see hospitals, schools, roads or jobs they were promised, they'll vote for someone else. Unlike a Dictatorship....where NO progress report ever comes out. If you question a dictator, you might lose your life!!!!!! See the difference?

Something tells me because your love for the military rule, because either you being a part of it or belong to a military family in Pakistan, your thoughts won't change. But like I said, 550K soldiers, their supporters and families, CAN NOT overwrite 200 MILLION voters, the one the military rule ignored for 60 years and didn't give them a DIME's worth of money!!
 
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Why don't you straightforwardly answer your own question & give me the reality back.

Simple answer: Civilians make the policies and priorities, the military and all other institutes execute those. They follow orders and are doing their job. No need to over glorify stuff when that's their job!!!!

The 60 years of darkness, where ordinary Pakistani's couldn't get a DIME worth of benefit from the military rule, is a pure example. Now add the crazy mess of militancy sponsored by the military inside Pakistan and outside.......has literally put Pakistan behind by decades, compared to where the world is today!! The military needs to find a happy place for herself, otherwise her work and efforts in curbing down terrorism will also be overlooked by the same people they wanted to over glorify themselves. In other words, do your job for your country, not to show power!!


Due to better security condition than previous few years. Who fixed this problem? Try to understand my point here.
Before jumping to the conclusion & missing out what I have mentioned, is not going to be helpful. See we can't blame one for others wrong doings. Those 40 who ****** up the country were not praise and now we can't put all that blame this man. I know his just doing his job. At the moment when almost everyone is corrupted and not doing what they suppose to do. This man surely deserves all this respect and praise. He could be the same like others. Then? Don't we know the atmosphere in Pakistan? He is that straw for people, which one gets while drowning. We actually find it haram to appreciate. Ok who deserves the credit?

How come Mushy didn't deal with this "problem"? Instead, he distributed more weapons to his buddy Altaf???? Kiyan just did a plea bargain for over 6 billion rupees he made in corruption.....Mushy's son has hundreds of millions of dollars worth of investments in the US since 2004 (WOT payments), all other core commanders and generals were given residences in Turkey and the UK worth millions (bribe).

And here you and a few people are. Trying to over glorify shiit that someone is FINALLY fixing,and it was started by the previous Army Generals??? Who is fixing it? The new Army general who doesn't agree with the previous ones. But does it mean that he be put on the display for popularity...while he is JUST doing his job??? Do you want your doctor to be nominated for the Guinness book of world records, or some big popularity thing in Pakistan, every treats your headache, diarrhea or Flu? No, that's insane. He is JUST doing his job. Similarly, the bullet proof sedans, the brand spanking new 5 series BMW's and all, are given to the Army Chiefs to DO their JOB!!!! Stop over glorifying them please!!

Any governor in the US (where you live), will call in National Guards and or whatever branch of military he needs to maintain order (St. Louis as an example last year). You think the US generals come on tv and over glorify the military, when the US military (On the orders of the President of the United State) is constantly doing operations across the GLOBE. Remember, the US military is involved across the globe, not in 4 tiny provinces of Pakistan!!!! But in the US military's case, who came on the Podium and announced the capture of OBL? And other events as such? The President of the US!! He gets the credit for whatever the military does and achieves national security goals. No matter how many thousands of soldiers were sent, the Commander-in-Chief gets the credit. I hope you are following me. Similarly, NS gets the credit. IK made a statement yesterday that for Zarb-Azb, NS gets full credit (I can't believe I am agreeing with IK for the first time, but its a good start).


Also, on corruption, WHO is corrupted and not doing what they are supposed to do? The Civilian system has made strides. Who brought your economy back? Who initiated the privatization and policy reforms on economy and investments? Who is trying to increase the tax net? Who is providing for the Zarb-Azb funding? Who even came UP with the idea of a full operation? WTH does a military general know about economy and policies?

Who has forced India to finally "TALK" when Modi was hell bent in starting a limited conflict with Pakistan to "teach them a lesson'?? Who brought Russians in, got their investments and bought weapons from them ( think about how Pakistani's used to think about Russia, Russia was India's best buddy and still is to the majority of the degree). Again, WTH does a military general know about negotiations, economy and policies?

If the great nation of Pakistan is SO much better under the military rule....then why these military rule followers have flags of the US and Canada and the UK as you all live here? :yahoo: :o: o_O. Why not live in your own paradise called Pakistan under the military regime and "enjoy" the greatness RS brings to you?

Why sit in countries like the US, enjoy everything and all the benefits our country's DEMOCRATIC system has to offer to you, and YET support dictatorship elsewhere? Double faced much???? BAM!! THAT was my point.

Support the growth of Pakistan so it can BECOME like a mini America one day, a democratic system with opportunity for all, peace, love and mutual economic benefits for all, for her citizens and for Americans, Russians, Indians, and everyone else who live outside of Pakistan.

Or, everyone supporting the military rule and dictatorship should go back and live in the heaven on earth called Pakistan UNDER the dictatorship as you so love it and want it. You can't sit in a peaceful and democratic society and push anarchy and dictatorship down 200 million Pakistani's throats!!
 
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We don't give a damn what an Afghani really thinks about our internal matters.

Well !! I can accuse you of being a traitor by following policies that has put Pakistan at risk. The world has changed but some idiots refuse to evolve and still believe that they are living in 1990s when barbaric Talibans ruled Afghanistan.
 
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It is not even half done yet. The most work of getting rid of complicit army officers has not even begin yet !
that is worrying, please elaborate especially explain how you quantify the work done?

military quietly seeks out "complicit" personnel like spies they meet a very tragic end and their families join Asma Jhangir's "missing persons" queue.

please also advise what you mean by "complicit"? do you mean HuT types, TTP appologists?
 
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you can go back to your shithole country Afghanistsn.

Well !! I can accuse you of being a traitor by following policies that has put Pakistan at risk. The world has changed but some idiots refuse to evolve and still believe that they are living in 1990s when barbaric Talibans ruled Afghanistan.
 
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you can go back to your shithole country Afghanistsn.

PM Nawaz Sharif hosted Ashraf Ghani in Islamabad last week and Gen. Raheel Sharif is going to Afghanistan next week. While some people still live like it is 1999 !! What about you are you still living in Rabwah ?
 
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Read your own question twice with respect to the topic and you'll see how useless your questions are.......the topic was Pakistani generals support for militants and the current Army Chief trying to clean it up, which is his job, but your military like it did for the 60 years, is spending time and effort in over glorifying him. While it is HIS JOB to get civilian order and deploy right away and finish the mission. But the military, to retain is "over glorified role" in Pakistan, is showing Gen. RS as a Messiah. When he is JUST fixing the crap previous generals started.

Now, the sad media machine of the military is trying to take credit or the stock market,the investments and all. When it is ALL current government's effort. Even a critic like IK said it yesterday, that he gives credit to NS for the peace and stability that has been brought about due to Zarb-Azb. But here, you people, as always, are over writing the civilian efforts by constantly using illiterate Pakistanis through the media and hiding the military's faults, and blaming everything onto the civilians, who, for the first time (unlike 60 dark years of the military rule) have worked had to create a new modern and peaceful Pakistan

Now what the hell the US has to do anything with this? Don't derail the thread, open up a new thread on the US and I'll debate you there. This is a purely Pakistani military and civilian's rated thread based on OP's article of over glorifying Pakistani Military. 60+ years of darkness and minus 200% human development and you people turn your face away from the actual problem. That is the military operates on civilian policies and doesn't steal the government as it is incompetent to run a country and that's not their job!!




This right here tells me how much you know about life and economics in general and how much poisonous military propaganda is in your head. Another "imaginary issue"!!

The dollar doesn't go Up or Down because the world is SO concerned with a tiny little country like Pakistan!!!! The inflation kicks in every few years. Now if you are getting pumped billions of dollars (Afghan War, and then WOT), you can remain the dollar cost at low.

What the fukk does dollar has to do with human growth in Pakistan, or lack of it exercised by the military for over60 years? Lt's say the dollar is 200 rupees or 55 rupees......what difference does it make to the people of Pakistan (poor people, over 150 MILLION of them)???? NOTHING!!!!! They wanted roads, schools, opportunity, jobs, better parks, transportation, better benefits, better homes throughout the 60 years of "low dollar value" as you put it. But despite the "low dollar to rupee" ratio, did the not-so-economic-savvy military do something for the people? FUKK NO!! So the dollar ended up getting into the pockets of Mushy, his core commander buddies and others.

Gen. Kiyani just did a plea bargain to return 6.7 billion rupees (all corruption), so his name can be kept in dark. Can you tell me why? Mushy's son now has hundreds of millions worth of assets in the US and across. Mushy's buddies and even a couple of members ON PDF, (ex-Pak military) living in Turkey and other places washed their hands with millions of dollars.......so what did the "low dollar value" do for the people? NOTHING. Your military is just as corrupt as the civilian leadership!!

What the people need was work for them, better transportation, better education, schools, etc, etc. No military rule provided it. So I'd take a higher dollar BUT a civilian system who does provide stuff for the PEOPLE. Period!!!! And it is happening now.




Your generals have never ALLOWED a civilian rule to be completed. In the US, the people try to elect one President two terms (unless he fukks it up real bad), WHY? because they know it takes a few years to understand the issues and create policies. The later half of the first term is when you start to make changes at a larger country base, and it takes a few years to see the results. Obama's economic growth policy was implemented a couple of years after he took the power. The results were seen day before YESTERDAY. When the US Fed, increase the interest rate in like 8 years as the economy is not only back, the market is at its historic highest. Does this tell you how a system works?

Now, since this is going to be a system fulfilling her time, the Dams, Schools, Jobs, Tax base and all, will increase more than the past 70 years of Pakistan's life!!!! So the civilian rulers doing the work, porduces more results all around than ALL past 70 years combined. The military rule of 60 years, couldn't produce 20% of what these guys are going to produce in their 5 years!!!!! But it seems like now the military wants to play some more tricks and claim the economic growth also. Not realizing that this time, any screw up from the power hungry few generals will result in Egypt style coupe. Where the military will deal with millions of its civilians and the country would probably break.

'The military follows the civilian policies, end of the story. They salute the Premier and when asked to, they leave their belt behind and still leave with a salute. Anything else NOW, will mean the military vs. civilians in millions and probably a break up of the country. People have been sick and tired of living in darkness while the military generals get richer and don't do shiit for the people, and nor do they have the sense to.



If you see the economic growth.....it had ALREADY started after NS announced his policies. Before the sit-ins, the Chinese and the Turkish presidents were going to come, in the middle of such bad situation. When NS cut these deals, he told these guys he would clean up the mess of terrorism. Had he not provided the $$$$ and the support, your military can't mobilize 20,000 troops without someone footing the bill. Back then, Pakistan was about to go broke and bankrupt. How do you think your military would've carried out any operation if there wasn't political and financials backing???? Would these generals return the corruption money and commissions to create a fund to support military deployments in FATA :rofl: :angel:. NO!! Its NS and his government who did that and provided whatever was necessary!!

NS ordered the military to go clean up the terrorists, which is military's job to do (which were there and breeding for over two decades and no military general could do jack shiit). Even in the US, the governors have called the National Guards and the Army as need be. No iffs and butts. That's their job.

One of my special forces buddy and I were at a party, someone asked him about Obama as Obama had JUST taken power. My buddy responded " we don't comment on politics and civilian matters, the civilian government makes the policies, and when the Commander-in-Chief orders, we go execute those!! Enough said!!!!



All of them have college education, a basic requirements in 99% of the countries of the world to be in the office. Plus, what qualifications do the military generals bring to the table? People like Zia and Mushy couldn't TALK properly and were abusive and cheap when they addressed their own people and civilian leaders. You think in a modern country a military general can arrest or hang an elected PM on made up charges of treason? Sounds like Saddam, Kadhafi, Zia, Mushy, Sudanese general, ALL become generals by going to the SAME fanatics school of thought!!!!

What did, supposedly "Oxford educated" IK brought to the table? Embarrassing children like abusive speeches, the sit-ins, the scary politics that nearly collided Pathans vs. Punjabis and started a civil war till he was told to STFU by the establishment due to the drama of Pashtunistan????

So fukk the qualifications, as long as someone meets the basic criteria AND produces for the PEOPLE of Pakistan, that's what matters. And the current government is producing a LOT for Pakistan. Their legacy is established. 550K military men and their supporting families can NEVER suspend the constitution, the rights of 200 MILLION people ever again in the future, you can mark my words.



What a question :yahoo:. Coming from a person who supports Dictatorship!!!!!! Ask yourself the question and you'll have an answer. Pakistan doesn't have Monarchy btw!!



Absolutely, the illiterate person may not have the education, but he does understand which political candidate is promising what. And which candidate HE voted for, has delivered what. That doesn't require a PHD. In five years, if the illiterate candidates don't see hospitals, schools, roads or jobs they were promised, they'll vote for someone else. Unlike a Dictatorship....where NO progress report ever comes out. If you question a dictator, you might lose your life!!!!!! See the difference?

Something tells me because your love for the military rule, because either you being a part of it or belong to a military family in Pakistan, your thoughts won't change. But like I said, 550K soldiers, their supporters and families, CAN NOT overwrite 200 MILLION voters, the one the military rule ignored for 60 years and didn't give them a DIME's worth of money!!

if you are american, you are short of general knowledge about Pakistan. Military did not rule for 60 years. i am asking you questions this is because you should do a bit of research about Pakistan yourself rather than believing in "your" media propaganda by fox news and the like who wrongly propogated weapons of mass destruction in iraq which were never to be found. For reference read about Hans Blix.

Democracy can flourish in countries where there is literacy and Pakistan is unfortunately 60% literate. I have seen with my own eyes in recent local government elections illiterate and impoverished people voting for some minor monetary benefit for corrupt politicians who were not even eligible to run as per our constitution and our election commission could not do anything. Also do a bit of research into assets of NS and family plus zardari and company and taxes which they have paid. You are talking as if you are owner of multiple banks.

What IK told was no holy scripture, he said many things earlier and took U- turns. How can u givce credit for operation to NS when he was brought to General HQs for approval for operation Zarb e azb.

Monarchy and democracy ? See for yourself the composition of cabinet of current government. You will only see members of same family. this is monarchy. you can name it whatever you like.

your views represent an ideal mindset which does not take into account the ground realities of third world. your democracy took centuries to mature and in todays fast moving world, time is a luxury which we as Pakistanis can ill afford. The current lot of politicians in Pakistan are not eligible as per article 62 of our constitution. This is rule of jungle here and to correct it we definitely need a messiah and that messiah can be either civilian or military, we dont want to get into semantics. ( write some concise thing, your not competing in some essay competition)
 
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The whole militancy in Pakistan was created by the foolish policies of Pakistan Army and ISI itself. Cleaning up your own created mess is no big accomplishment !
Oh cool,So if they hadn't done that pakistan USSR ka hisa hota k?
This militancy fired backed at us because when a "certain group" thought if they can break USSR then they are can conquer the world this Blind Pride led to militancy in Afghanistan and Pakistan,you peanut brain.
Pak army suffered the most and you rather than appreciating you judge?
ISI is the reason your prime minster is nawaz sherif not Modi you got to live in Pakistan not Maha bharat (greater India)
and you are not killed because you were caught eating meet,people like should be deported to india and that is when you will realise that efforts(polices) that are done by the ISI and the forces that lets you have a good night sleep.
This is the problem with these arm chair journalist (like you) have no info about the history and start writing shit articles and comments

PM Nawaz Sharif hosted Ashraf Ghani in Islamabad last week and Gen. Raheel Sharif is going to Afghanistan next week. While some people still live like it is 1999 !! What about you are you still living in Rabwah ?
a potato has more power than ashraf ghani lol,we just make him look important.
The fact is that to get stability in Afghanistan is to get rid of india and Raw from Afghanistan
and i hope you enjoyed the stay in the camps,good bye.
 
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Oh cool,So if they hadn't done that pakistan USSR ka hisa hota k?

This should have been slowly winded down after the withdrawal of the Russian troops from Afghanistan. But the ISI like addicts could not stop their addiction with Talibans continued interfering and supplying weapon even now.
 
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