The expanding Shiite Crescent

[Yzd Khalifa]

@Dillinger listen Iran and Pakistan wont actually ever go to war. Pakistan wont intefere and fight a Muslim country on anyones behalf, Pakistani nationalism is based on Islam and the majority still adhere to the concept.

In the first Gulf war I believe the Arabs asked Pakistan to help fight Iraq in the coalition but Pakistan refused and only sent soldiers to guard Mecca and Medina. Mind you this was after they found weapons in Iraqi embassy and were no fans of saddam.

Yes the Kuwaitis did. But KSA was in the same page as Pakistan.

I would argue that the poor Kuwaitis were desperate.

 

[Armstrong]

You eat soo much nihari every day that your arteries are about ready to choke you to death...see slice your back..drown in nihari..its all the same.

Yes I've been thinking about that of late perhaps such forms of passive suicide too should be discouraged; maybe taxing Fat People for being too Fat !

 

[iranigirl2]

If they're slicing up their backsides then yes...I do make it my business to plead with them not do that !

Hmm.... It's none of your business what Shias or Sufis, or etc... do..






http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/babylonbeyond/2008/04/iraqs-sufis.html

Sufi Kurds!

 

[anonymus]

My friend terrain favors Pakistan in northern Kashmir too. Your point being?

Iran is surrounded..you think they'll be foolish enough to gain another declared enemy?

Iran's only trump card would be to go crazy and fight unrestricted submarine warfare..in which case even more sanctions will alight on their heads.

I don't like the ayatollah's policies but I don't think he's foolish.

Chill it..at best..EVEN IF they decide to hate each other they'll go at each other with proxies.

We have not attacked gilgit-balatistan in 1965 nor in 1971.Thought there was a skirmish in zojila pass in 1948 which we won by transporting disassembled tanks to ladakh and assembling and using them in that battle.

It requires higher superiority in men and material. I heard 1:8 to attack in mountainous areas.

I too don't like ayatollah's policy. He is just a benevolent version of Kim jong Ill. bur probably from POV of our selfish national interests, a theocratic shia regime in tehran is good for us.

It means that they would not be able to forge a alliance with pakistan. ( Shah sent his planes to aid pakistan in 1971 and sheltered PAF in Iran after India has routed it to prevent it's complete destruction). Also it keeps SA well behaved as they would not want India to go into Iranian camp.

 

[KingMamba]

Yes the Kuwaitis did. But KSA was in the same page as Pakistan.

I would argue that the poor Kuwaitis were desperate.

Kuwaitis should not have drilled into Iraqi pipelines.

I thought ksa were in coalition?

 

[Dillinger]

Yes I've been thinking about that of late perhaps such forms of passive suicide too should be discouraged; maybe taxing Fat People for being too Fat !

WE MUST TAX THE FAT ONE'S! Its the only way to save this world! Lets start with you and ZY!

 

[Armstrong]

Hmm.... It's none of your business what Shias or Sufis, or etc... do..

I make it my business because I love them !

 

[KingMamba]

Hmm.... It's none of your business what Shias or Sufis, or etc... do..

Sufis dont do it in Pakistan.

 

[Pakistanisage]

Point was that PAF would suffer significant casualties doing that. Iranian Airforce would eventually be defeated as it is weakest in whole of middle east with only 2 squadron of decent fighters, but pakistan is also not USA which could go Shock and Awe on Iranians.

Pakistanis are inducting an inferior fighter JF-17 because they can't afford F-16's because of bad economy. Their Airforce would further weaken vis-a-vis IAF.

And Chances of Russian jets suffering from spare part problem is low.

You are obviously ignorant about Fighter aircrafts and Air Forces.

You are trying to tell me that two Squadrons of Mig 29, a third generation fighter form the 70's will overpower two Squadrons of Pakistani F-16 Block 52 4.5 Gen fighter.

That speaks volumes about you ignorance on this matter.

 

[KingMamba]

You eat soo much nihari every day that your arteries are about ready to choke you to death...see slice your back..drown in nihari..its all the same.



I already made it clear that no such war was likely in my first post on the topic.

Hostilities and competition..even proxies but never open warfare.

I was just telling my compatriot that his analysis wasn't exactly accurate.

Yeah I just wanted to clarify Pakistani pov.

 

[Yzd Khalifa]

Kuwaitis should not have drilled into Iraqi pipelines.

I thought ksa were in coalition?

Yes KSA fought in two fronts. But the Kuwaiti army was dismantled as a whole.

 

[iranigirl2]

Sufis dont do it in Pakistan.

They do it in private, too scared the Taliban will bomb them!


Pakistani Hard-Liners' War Against Sufism - NYTimes.com

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-south-asia-12951923

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/new...slam-in-pakistan/story-e6frg6so-1225887291875

http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld...de-blasts-at-sufi-shrine-in-pakistan-kill-41/

 

[Dillinger]

We have not attacked gilgit-balatistan in 1965 nor in 1971.Thought there was a skirmish in zojila pass in 1948 which we won by transporting disassembled tanks to ladakh and assembling and using them in that battle.

It requires higher superiority in men and material. I heard 1:8 to attack in mountainous areas.

I too don't like ayatollah's policy. He is just a benevolent version of Kim jong Ill. bur probably from POV of our selfish national interests, a theocratic shia regime in tehran is good for us.

It means that they would not be able to forge a alliance with pakistan. ( Shah sent his planes to aid pakistan in 1971 and sheltered PAF in Iran after India has routed it to prevent it's complete destruction). Also it keeps SA well behaved as they would not want India to go into Iranian camp.

That's far too simplistic..

Yes we didn't attack them back then..they tried though and we WERE NOT entrenched..even then terrain is a fickle master my friend. Terrain didn't favor us in the marshes of BD either against an entrenched PA..didn't really matter did it..we took cognizance of that fact and went for a blitz.

Bhai..Pakistan can mobilize rather quickly..sharpening their metal against us has got them on their feet perpetually..forced to mobilize near Sistan the PA will move more quickly than Iranian forces..unless there's some slow troop build up.

Shia regime in Tehran..Sunni monarchy in KSA...we have good relations today with BOTH. KSA has been nice enough to hand us over some ex-LeTs and IM without any fuss and Iran is an old economic ally. Chill. Lets not favor sides when this conflict is not completely understood by us.

Besides don't give away the evil yindu design of propagating a sectarian face-off!

 

[KingMamba]

Yes KSA fought in two fronts. But the Kuwaiti army was dismantled as a whole.

Yeah they were but they fought like hell, gotta say.

 

[Armstrong]

WE MUST TAX THE FAT ONE'S! Its the only way to save this world! Lets start with you and ZY!

No seriously mate I've been thinking long & hard about some steps taken to curb commercialism & the need to buy stuff or stuff your face with food endlessly just because you've got the money to do it. I dunno whether a more 'educational' approach would be more beneficial or perhaps some mix of rationing & higher VAT contingent upon the many times per week you've dined out.

Fraught with peril...yes !