The enemy within!

[Dubious]

They put "innocent" in apostrophe, meaning they didn't know if she actually committed that crime or not.

There was proof against her!

Really? So then why was she executed in the daylight in front of so many people?

I have no idea never saw the video....That was brutal....

 

[Norwegian]

You really have no idea what honour or humiliation is! What are you talking about?

So flogging is humiliation and throwing in jail is not?

 

[JonAsad]

Yes, its still humane unlike flogging and beheading from a humanitarian perspective

Wow habibi ya akhoi al mohtaram freedom of speech is denied in both cases yet you have problem with the saudi way?-
Wallahi haza hypocrisy-

 

[Dubious]

You have no idea how much that mass murderers sentence was actually criticized in the media all our the country. Its not like that people do not care about their children here anymore.

Well Saudi is criticized all over the world too...Its not like they dont care about their people there

Please remove the video you might get a warning as it is against forum rules but yea thanks for showing me

 

[TankMan]

My problem with columns like these is that they shift all the guilt on every Pakistani citizen yet offer absolutely no solution. It's akin to hitting yourself over the head for existing. What's the point in crying ''oh we Pakistanis are so hypocritical'' and so on?

''Contradictions and double-speak'' is just an emotive way of saying that we are divided in our opinions.

Such articles have become too popular, and at this point people write them daily for people to read them and agree with them - yet they offer no solution, no practical outlooks, and absolutely nothing except for demoralization.

Yes, Pakistani public opinion is divided. Yes, politicians are hypocrites. Yes, radicalisation is a problem. We hear this every day. What should we do, mass-suicide? None of these people sitting abroad and criticizing the Pakistani population ever offers any solutions. Every day someone writes an article like this on The Express Tribune or Dawn. This includes the obligatory rant about how hypocritical Pakistanis are about international affairs - even though said rants are usually full of exaggerations or flat-out lies.

We are right to be appalled at Israel mowing the lawn in Palestine, but lose little sleep over Assad’s Syrian genocide.

Not true. I've heard Pakistanis in Pakistan cry about how much zulm the Syrians are doing on their own people a lot.
But then, how would someone based in New Jersey know?

The issue is this: ours is a selective morality. We condemn radicalism — only when it hurts us. .

''We condemn radicalism only when it hurts us.'' What a load of nonsense. This line is extremely overused and extremely senseless. What is this supposed to even mean? Of course we'll be more vocal and emotional when radicalism hurts us. But that doesn't mean we don't condemn it when it hurts other people.We condemn it in general, but it becomes more relevant to us when it directly affects us. Human nature.

The Americans cried their eyes out for fourteen years when a few thousand of them were killed by radicalism but they were not as vocal when the radicals their own foreign policy spawned in Afghanistan destroyed that state, or when they destroyed the state of Iraq. That is not to say there wasn't widespread condemnation of the war, but it obviously wasn't as vehement as that of 9/11.

That is human nature. We are more upset when things directly affect us. To put all the blame on Pakistanis for that is frankly nothing more than stupid.

We want effective law enforcement — so long as it applies to others.

Another one of those senseless lines. We want effective law enforcement and we want it to be uniform and apply to the rich and power as much as they apply to the poor and weak. There is no Pakistani who says ''I want effective law enforcement but it shouldn't apply to me'', except for certain politicians who have been having verbal diarrhea over the actions of Law Enforcement Agencies recently. (Zardari and Altaf)

We begrudge politicians for corruption but will bribe our way around in service of our own ends — anything to bypass due process.

The reason normal people resort to bribery is because sometimes it is impossible to get things done without it. People resort to bribery because of the corruption in the system, not the other way around: the system is not corrupt because all Pakistanis are somehow born corrupt.

Politicians begrudge the citizenry for brain-drain while their kids comfortably study abroad.

I have never heard a politician begrudging the citizenry for brain drain.

Beating ourselves over the head has become a new trend nowadays. But it is nothing short of demoralizing and pointless. Yes, we have our flaws. Let's focus on how we'll overcome them instead of just repeating how flawed we are over and over again.

 

[syedali73]

Express tribune; never disappoints!

 

[Azad-Kashmiri]

So flogging is humiliation and throwing in jail is not?

Punishment of whatever sort is an humiliation. Don't you even understand that?

 

[Norwegian]

How is it humane to be punished for practicing freedom of speech against 1 group ONLY why the special treatment? Are other religions inferior and dont deserve the same special treatment?

Because Holocaust is established as a mass genocide of Europeans and is considered a grave crime against humanity. If someone wishes to deny an undeniable fact, there are grounds for him to be thrown in jail. Sure, if someone denies other genocides that happened in other parts of the world, similar laws can be applied there as well.
And what is this BS about religious inferiority? No one is thrown in jail for denying massacres inflicted by Muslim invaders in for example India?

 

[VCheng]

yet they offer no solution, no practical outlooks, and absolutely nothing

Where to go from here?

 

[Norwegian]

Express tribune; never disappoints!

Yes, this English newspaper is a big disappointment for self-appointed "righteous" Muslims

 

[Dubious]

That is why Saudi Arabia is NOT a Sharia ruling system. It is a monarchy hiding behind Islam to stay in power. Monarchy and Sharia is an oxymora!

I know that is why I called it cultural...

 

[JonAsad]

@Akheilos questioned the validity of flogging in Saudi Arabia. That's how it all started.

What started? The flogging or beheading?
If there is a law to flog or behead somewhere why it bother you so much?-
I mean every country has some stupid or cruel laws- i believe a 5 star accommodation for a murder or rapist on citizen taxes is so much cruel to the victims and their families?-
Lets take a stand on that together - what say?-
lets start from home- -

 

[TankMan]

Saudi Arabia is pretty much a Sharia-governed system implementing 9th century codified laws to the letter. Their clerics had to exclude Saudi royal family from it as part of their historic compromise as they were the only powerful tribe to unite them all into one nation.

Actually no. They follow an extreme brand of religion with extremist doctrine coupled with selective elements of Salafism thrown in. This is known by many as ''Wahabism''. I won't comment on the authenticity of the label since it has been misused too much but I will say that this came into existence in the 1700s and not the 9th century as you seem to believe.

 

[Dubious]

Because Holocaust is established as a mass genocide of Europeans and is considered a grave crime against humanity. If someone wishes to deny an undeniable fact, there are grounds for him to be thrown in jail. Sure, if someone denies other genocides that happened in other parts of the world, similar laws can be applied there as well.
And what is this BS about religious inferiority? No one is thrown in jail for denying massacres inflicted by Muslim invaders in for example India?

But people like you deny the torture on Palestinians just coz you hate Arabs - very racist behaviour if you ask me....Must we wait for a holocaust before we put a punishment?

 

[Azad-Kashmiri]

Because Holocaust is established as a mass genocide of Europeans and is considered a grave crime against humanity. If someone wishes to deny an undeniable fact, there are grounds for him to be thrown in jail. Sure, if someone denies other genocides that happened in other parts of the world, similar laws can be applied there as well.

And what is this BS about religious inferiority? No one is thrown in jail for denying massacres inflicted by Muslim invaders in India?

Oh you're another Indian hiding behind a fake avatar and name. Holocaust is a Christendom problem! They caused it and watched by and allowed it to happen! It is NOT part of our religion and neither do we have any guilt! So go and peddle your mumbo-jumbo somewhere else!

 

[TankMan]

Where to go from here?

I've read that before and disagree with your points about religion but applaud the fact that you offered some solutions.

Removing religious studies entirely would make people, especially youngsters, more vulnerable to radicalization since they won't know what their religion actually teaches and are therefore more liable to be persuaded into terrorism by mullahs.