The End of the Indian Idea

[rent4country]

The OP article is laughable. India was never a true democracy. Mere change of govts through electoral processes doesn't make a country 'democratic'. And India was never secular either. A sprinkling of minorities in token govt roles or sports or Bollywood doesn't make one secular or tolerant.

In no 'democracy' can the slaughter of tens of thousands of minorities people spread over 70 years be brushed out of the collective majoritarian memory, as has been done in India. In no 'democracy', can the highest court in the land keep postponing the verdict on the Kashmir cases as has been done in India since August 5, 2019.

In America--despite it's sordid history of slavery, people still talk about Martin Luther King, about Rosa Park, and about the odd lynching that happened half a century ago. No such things in India.
Having said all this--I know that Pakistan's credentials are not great either but then Pakistan is officially an 'Islamic' state. Even then, Pakistan has not seen horrific pogroms against minorities as seen in India.

So, please, let's disabuse ourselves of the idea about some mythical democratic, secular state called India. That has never been the case unless the criteria would be some very failed and totalitarian African or Middle Eastern states.

Is this opinion wished, learned, or something else. Since you invoked America and compared it to India, may I remind you we brought over slaves into our country and you comparing that slave trade and the scars from it to India not giving up Kashmir?

We invoke MLK, Rosa Parks because blacks, as people, were not given the same rights by the American state. they were property for 200 years!! can you show me where something similar took place in India?

MLK cited Gandhi often because his conversations were rooted in anti-slavery akin to colonization and injustices_ yet which was way deeper than what happened in India. Comparing the histories of the two is not even close, bud.

Is it not true India has the 2nd highest population of Muslims in the world? is it not true their constitution was not altered to give one religion more rights over another?

Acts of violence do not make them a non-democracy or non-secular. Here's the bane to your theory- there are no buyers outside of the usual suspects (Pakistani, Chinese, PDF'ers) who believe in what you have espoused about India. I keep reading here how KSA/UAE/Qatar and other ancient Islamic countries embrace India. Your narrative runs counter to what we see on the ground. The moment the world buys it, you will have credibility behind your opinion

 

[peagle]

Is it not true India has the 2nd highest population of Muslims in the world? is it not true their constitution was not altered to give one religion more rights over another?

Sorry to disappoint you, but it is not true and hasn't been for decades.

1. Indonesia
Est. 270 million, 87% Muslim
235 million Muslims

2. Pakistan
Est. 230 million, 96% Muslim
221 million Muslims

3. India
est. 1370 million, est. 15% Muslim (2011 census 14.2% Muslim)
205 million Muslims at 15%

4. Bangladesh (Muslim majority)
est. 162 million, 90% Muslim
146 million Muslims

 

[magra]

Sorry to disappoint you, but it is not true and hasn't been for decades.

1. Indonesia
Est. 270 million, 87% Muslim
235 million Muslims

2. Pakistan
Est. 230 million, 96% Muslim
221 million Muslims

3. India
est. 1370 million, est. 15% Muslim (2011 census 14.2% Muslim)
205 million Muslims at 15%

4. Bangladesh (Muslim majority)
est. 162 million, 90% Muslim
146 million Muslims

This is called nitpicking
2nd or 3rd largest, the point is India has one of the highest muslim population in the world.

 

[peagle]

This is called nitpicking
2nd or 3rd largest, the point is India has one of the highest muslim population in the world.

I thought its called facts.
He made a factual declaration that was false, I corrected him,
why is that wrong?

 

[magra]

I thought its called facts.
He made a factual declaration that was false, I corrected him,
why is that wrong?

You are not factually wrong. But you are too focused on the factual correctness of the post, and digressed from the point he was making in the post.

 

[peagle]

You are not factually wrong. But you are too focused on the factual correctness of the post, and digressed from the point he was making in the post.

But he used that fact to provide strength to his statement, it was not a flippant remake, that's misleading and wrong.
How can you judge my focus, you are making an assumption. I did not comment on the entirety of his statement because it had positives and negatives, which in my view would have been nit-picking because I did not have a clear opinion.

But to use an incorrect fact to prove a point is wrong, and perhaps he was unaware, you don't know that. should he be the one to answer, if he so wishes? You seem to be supposing a lot about him and myself. Surely, that's wrong.

 

[magra]

But he used that fact to provide strength to his statement, it was not a flippant remake, that's misleading and wrong.
How can you judge my focus, you are making an assumption. I did not comment on the entirety of his statement because it had positives and negatives, which in my view would have been nit-picking because I did not have a clear opinion.

But to use an incorrect fact to prove a point is wrong, and perhaps he was unaware, you don't know that. should he be the one to answer, if he so wishes? You seem to be supposing a lot about him and myself. Surely, that's wrong.

His argument wont be affected a lot from 2nd largest to 3rd largest, as it is still one of the largest.

 

[peagle]

His argument wont be affected a lot from 2nd largest to 3rd largest, as it is still one of the largest.

Now you are being an idiot,
go play with your mummy.

I don't have time for kids.

 

[magra]

Now you are being an idiot,
go play with your mummy.

I don't have time for kids.

Now you are being unnecessarily rude. Go say your prayers.

 

[peagle]

Now you are being unnecessarily rude. Go say your prayers.

I don't pray,
and I was not being rude, you were, dragging a useless discussion that did not include you, with irrelevant points.

 

[gulli]

South India provides the money, North India provides the muscle. It is a mutually dependent relationship.

Sanatan Dharma provides glue. Hindu Ummah is real n factual, but we do know what happened when some one else tried to unite Middle east on name of religion

 

[magra]

Sanatan Dharma provides glue. Hindu Ummah is real n factual, but we do know what happened when some one else tried to unite Middle east on name of religion

Indian nationalism is glue enough. Why do you need to drag Dharma in that? Religion divides more than it unites.
Also what Hindu Ummah? Do we care about Hindus in Sri Lanka, Fiji, Mauritius, Guyana etc.

Who would you associate yourself more with - Irfan Pathan or Shivnarine Chanderpaul, Mohammed Siraj or Sunil Narine ?

I don't pray,
and I was not being rude, you were, dragging a useless discussion that did not include you, with irrelevant points.

Sure, we both found each other posts useless. Carry on and calm down.

 

[Sharma Ji]

Vidya Krishnan is a...

woke lefty lol

 

[gulli]

Indian nationalism is glue enough. Why do you need to drag Dharma in that? Religion divides more than it unites.
Also what Hindu Ummah? Do we care about Hindus in Sri Lanka, Fiji, Mauritius, Guyana etc.

Don't know which world do you live in but all hindus be it in India, Sri Lanka, Nepal, Bali, Europe, Africa, America have special place for India n vice versa is also true..

Can;t say the same for Hindu converts with Hindu names

 

[Sharma Ji]

Don't know which world do you live in but all hindus be it in India, Sri Lanka, Nepal, Bali, Europe, Africa, America have special place for India n vice versa is also true..

Can;t say the same for Hindu converts with Hindu names

Washington Sundar sahi hai yaar..