The end of the deal, hopes, delusions and treasons

[mohsen]

Well netanyahu won't support the deal in its current form in fact he is against it if it remain as its now so well they are still valid in their reasoning for supporting it.

But honestly it's the most nonsensical and shortsighted reason for supporting the deal. As far as I believe the deal in its current form is beneficial to us no mater if USA honor its obligations or fail them , its all about people relation and making good image its about making the program legitimate in international forums if USA honor its obligations good for them and good for us in the deal the other side is USA government not Congress or Senate so if they don't honor their part it will be USA and its Europeans partner to deal with it if they don't want us to renew our work with a lot faster pace , after all it was not our first time that we put restrain on our program in fact the first time we completely stopped it but when it become clear they don't want to reach any conclusion we broke the seals and started our program without breaking any sweat they knew we can do that again and they really don't like that probability so I believe they won't do anything that endanger the deal as they are well aware that Iran next government may not be so keen on the deal as the current one . netanyahu like it or hate it has no validity he can fume over it till he get a stroke like his predecessor, we don't give a damn about him.

it's really late to say we don't care about Israel, not after so many insults from Reformists authorities and media who were insulting the critics by putting them in the same line as Israel and Netanyahu.
some authorities like:

Mohammad Bagher Nobakht Spokesman of the Rohani Government
Majid Ansari vice president of Rohani
Akbar Hashemi Rafsanjani the chairman of the Expediency Discernment Council a.k.a godfather of current government
Masoud Pezeshkian First Deputy chairman of Iran Parliament

now it's time when their words backfires at them, and it wont be last one!
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and about this deal, I'm 90% sure that Trump wont scrap the deal, yet 100% sure he will take some misuses to jeopardize it, though it's just a game between Republicans and Democrats in U.S, else this deal has already failed for Iran, it's just Rohani and Reformists who see their political life in it and can't admit it's failure.

 

[mohsen]

Gen. Bagheri chairman of the Iran's Armed Forces General Staff:
after this deal, we are still unable to get our oil money.
سرلشکر باقری: بعد از برجام پول فروش نفت به کشور بازنگشت/ دولت تنها 20درصد بودجه دفاعی را پرداخت کرده است/ احتمال ایجاد پایگاه دریایی ایران در سوریه و یمن

who cares?! the important thing is to announce the growing oil export (auction) for people so they can love Rohani and Uncle Obama!

 

[Draco.IMF]

so whats exactly the sense of this "deal" if Iran cant get money from oil sales?
Iran again getting fucked over by devil uSSa?
Who signed this deal?
Iran negotiaters are really so stupid?
What about the leader?
Why he accepted such a farce?
Iran likes to be fucked over and over again by zionists?
When Iran will learn from its mistakes? Maybe they will learn if zionists will turn Iran into chaos, like syria?
they will learn when its to late.
DONT NEGOTIATE WITH THE DEVIL, HE WILL BACKSTAB YOU!

-> SALE YOUR OIL FOR GOLD !!!!!!!

 

[mohsen]

so whats exactly the sense of this "deal" if Iran cant get money from oil sales?

A party's politicial life depends on it

Who signed this deal?

Pro-west parties and stupid/hypocrite people.

Iran negotiaters are really so stupid?

actually they were calling the one who signed it as genius!

What about the leader?
Why he accepted such a farce?

though he has a veto right, legally he can't interfere in details, and if he would use his veto right, then pro-west parties in Iran would blame all sanctions and failures on him;
if you wouldn't interfer we would have removed the whole sanctions and return peace and wealth to Iran.
in fact they were saying it, but cause they were afraid of leader's popularity they pointed the attacks at Ahmadinejad, to indirectly blame the leader;
as if he is the cause of a misunderstanding between Iran and U.S and reformists have been resurrected to fix the misunderstanding by signing this deal.

Iran likes to be fucked over and over again by zionists?
When Iran will learn from its mistakes? Maybe they will learn if zionists will turn Iran into chaos, like syria?
they will learn when its to late.
DONT NEGOTIATE WITH THE DEVIL, HE WILL BACKSTAB YOU!

-> SALE YOUR OIL FOR GOLD !!!!!!!

It's called infiltration, to show the enemy as friend and backwardness as progress.
You would be surprised to see amount of support for this deal in reformist's media!

let's see what we have learnt in next election.

 

[OldTwilight]

Just to understand Reformists mentality and political awareness , this is Title of one of their main newspaper in USA election day ....

Title : After Obama ....

and another reformist newspaper

I remember after knowing result , they were insulting Americans and were talking about disadvantage of Democracy and possibility of cheating in USA Election (facpalm!!!) .... in their mind , the fair election is the only election that their favorite candidate win

 

[Hack-Hook]

and another reformist newspaper

I remember after knowing result , they were insulting Americans and were talking about disadvantage of Democracy and possibility of cheating in USA Election (facpalm!!!) .... in their mind , the fair election is the only election that their favorite candidate win

honestly if it was Iranian election and the candidate who had 2 million vote more have been announced as looser of the election they would have screamed election fraud and how our election system is bogus and undemocratic ,but well its USA .
well the fumy part is that when Al Gore lost Bush he had half a million vote more than him.

 

[mohsen]

U.S Senate renewed expired Iran Sanctions Act

The U.S. Senate passed a 10-year extension of existing (expired) sanctions against Iran on Thursday, sending the measure to the White House for President Barack Obama to sign into law and delaying any potentially tougher actions until next year.

As the voting continued, senators were backing the renewal of the Iran Sanctions Act by 99-0. It passed the House of Representatives nearly unanimously in November, and congressional aides said they expected Obama would sign it when it reached his desk.
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-iran-nuclear-usa-sanctions-idUSKBN13Q5JW
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Now let's see if Obama dares to sign this act!

 

[Fafnir]

U.S Senate renewed expired Iran Sanctions Act

The U.S. Senate passed a 10-year extension of existing (expired) sanctions against Iran on Thursday, sending the measure to the White House for President Barack Obama to sign into law and delaying any potentially tougher actions until next year.

As the voting continued, senators were backing the renewal of the Iran Sanctions Act by 89-0. It passed the House of Representatives nearly unanimously in November, and congressional aides said they expected Obama would sign it when it reached his desk.
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-iran-nuclear-usa-sanctions-idUSKBN13Q5JW
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Now let's see if Obama dares to sign this act!

Lets see what iran will do if he does

 

[The SiLent crY]

به نظر میاد که برجام به فرجام نرسید .

 

[Desertfalcon]

Now let's see if Obama dares to sign this act!

That's not why they passed it. Mr. Obama is only the president for one more month then President Trump will be in power and he will immediately authorize imposition of the sanctions under the act.

 

[mohsen]

Lets see what iran will do if he does

since this act was ratified with more than 2/3 of the U.S congress votes, then even Obama's veto is useless.

Now the ball's in our court!
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ratifying this act was a clear violation of the deal and UNSC resolution a.k.a toilet paper/کاغذ پاره :

26. The U.S. Administration, acting consistent with the respective roles of the President and the Congress, will refrain from re-introducing or re-imposing the sanctions specified in Annex II that it has ceased applying under this JCPOA, without prejudice to the dispute resolution process provided for under this JCPOA. The U.S. Administration, acting consistent with the respective roles of the President and the Congress, will refrain from imposing new nuclear-related sanctions. Iran has stated that it will treat such a re-introduction or re-imposition of the sanctions specified in Annex II, or such an imposition of new nuclear-related sanctions, as grounds to cease performing its commitments under this JCPOA in whole or in part.

4.3.2. Sanctions on investment, including participation in joint ventures, goods, services, information, technology and technical expertise and support for Iran's oil, gas, and petrochemical sectors (ISA Sections 5(a)(1)-(2)

4.3.4. Sanctions on the export, sale or provision of refined petroleum products and petrochemical products to Iran (ISA Section 5(a)(3);

سنای آمریکا با 100 در صد آراء تحریم های جدید علیه ایران را وضع کرد/فرآیند قانونی شدن تحریم های ناقض برجام "عملاً " صورت گرفت/ وتوی اوباما بی تاثیر شد/ لزوم واکنش دولت مطابق با بند سوم مصوبه مجلس

That's not why they passed it. Mr. Obama is only the president for one more month then President Trump will be in power and he will immediately authorize imposition of the sanctions under the act.

Current U.S president has to sign it in 10 days, and his veto is ineffective (in case he didn't want to), so it wont reach to Trump.
Poor trump!

 

[Desertfalcon]

Current U.S president has to sign it in 10 days, and his veto is ineffective (in case he didn't want to), so it wont reach to Trump.
Poor trump!

I don't think you understand our constitution. You are correct that Mr. Obama's veto is ineffective given the margin the sanctions renewal act passed, which leaves him with only the choice of signing it within ten days as you say, or not signing it in which case...........it becomes the law in ten days, anyway. It's academic in any event. The new Congress and President will be in office next month and even if nothing happens until then, they would pass the same bill or an even tougher one, which President Trump would immediately sign. So, hardly, "poor Trump".

Our election is over. The nuclear deal is dead. Sanctions will be re-imposed. Nothing is going to change those things.

 

[mohsen]

I don't think you understand our constitution. You are correct that Mr. Obama's veto is ineffective given the margin the sanctions renewal act passed, which leaves him with only the choice of signing it within ten days as you say, or not signing it in which case...........it becomes the law in ten days, anyway. It's academic in any event. The new Congress and President will be in office next month and even if nothing happens until then, they would pass the same bill or an even tougher one, which President Trump would immediately sign. So, hardly, "poor Trump".

Our election is over. The nuclear deal is dead. Sanctions will be re-imposed. Nothing is going to change those things.

I said Poor trump cause this way the deal may be scrapped even before he gets a chance to do so.

 

[yavar]

Now let's see if Obama dares to sign this act!

if even he doesn't sign it ultimately it becom law , but Obama can veto it but there is no hope because after even if Obama veto it it will go back to Senate for vote again if it get 2/3rd vote then it becomes law and Obama veto means nothing

President Trump will be in power and he will immediately authorize imposition of the sanctions under the act.

i hope you right about Trump

Lets see what iran will do if he does

just watch the show .
if the LISA passes you in for good one

Our election is over. The nuclear deal is dead. Sanctions will be re-imposed. Nothing is going to change those things.

i am with you all way and hope you be right . soon we find out how tough you are whether you all talk or just Action

 

[Desertfalcon]

I said Poor trump cause this way the deal may be scrapped even before he gets a chance to do so.

No, because they are two different things. The sanctions are and must, be by an act of Congress. The "deal" was done unilaterally within our government, by President Obama, who intentionally framed it as NOT being a treaty, in order to avoid congressional approval. It can and will be undone, by executive action, by President Trump, next month.