The end of the deal, hopes, delusions and treasons

[ValerioAurelius]

@ValerioAurelius Your forgetting Iran has been under sanctions for 40 years, China and other countries you mentioned are not. The private sector was hurt under the sanctions and foreign business left the country so the government stepped in to replace, the government needs to be involved to provide products and services to its citizens for cheap prices. As long as sanctions are involved the government will be involved and helping to subsidize its private sector, its only natural. In this case the government department is the IRGC. And so far it seems they have been very successful as they have made big profits.

And you believe the military will leave private business since the sanctions are lifted?

Who made big profits? The country...or some corrupt military staff?

 

[yavar]

U.S Trump calls Iran Terrorist Nation سخنرانی ترامپ امریکا ،ملت تروریست ایران

 

[Dinky]

And you believe the military will leave private business since the sanctions are lifted?

Who made big profits? The country...or some corrupt military staff?

When were the sanctions lifted? The United States never kept its end of the deal and remove all nuclear related sanctions, instead giving other reasons such as its missile program or any excuse they could find. There were always sanctions on Iran for one excuse or the other.
The IRGC needs the profit to compensate its low defense budget since Iran's Defense budget is already one of the lowest in the region.

 

[mohsen]

Iran has the highest position in the global money laundring list

https://arabiangcis.org/english/news/why-does-iran-have-the-highest-rank-in-money-laundering-risk/

"According to Iranian officials themselves, bureaucratic corruption in Iran has reached a high level and has become institutionalized and systematic. As a consequence, internal monitoring institutes such the judiciary branch which is corrupt itself cannot monitor and limit extensive economic and managerial corruption in Iran. More significantly, the reason of this managerial and financial corruption is lack of accountability and transparency of bureaucratic system and suppressing media and civil society that are independent of the establishment."

Thats a fact. Tell me why Iran Army needs to operate Luxury hotels, banks and all that? Can you name a hotel in Italy owned by our military? Can you name any bank or hotel operated by any european nations military?

You asnwered your own question amigo. Military can force a business into deals. It creates enormous corruption.

When we were in Iran our translator explicitly warned my boss for the military crooks who would try to push for deals in their favor.

So U.S, Europeans and Arab monarchs which have funded terrorist groups like Al-Qaeda Al-Nusra, ISIS, MKO are clean but Iran which supports Hezbollah is corrupt! it's easy to accuse the others when you are the judge yourselves.

remember this name, Silvio Berlusconi? have you heard about Italy Mafia?

a governor which simultaneously owns the private companies, it's the highest type of corruption which you talked about. corruption in west is systematic and legal, rich people spend money to reach the power, those who spend more have more chance, we call it the ultimate corruption, but in your countries it's common.
unlike your corrupted governors who seek their personal interest, IRGC isn't run by a single man, chance of corruption is much lower in this system.
unlike in your governments, having faith and morality is among the critical factors to even be recruited by IRGC, let alone receiving higher ranks. how many of your governors are willing to stand in the front line of war against ISIS?

IRGC earns money, then they can spend it directly on the military, or they can invest it and spend the profit on the military, by doing the second, they stabilize their incomes and reduce the risk.

You asked about mobile phone operator, there was a time when Iran's first operator was selling it's simcards with a price 90 times higher than today, after the arrival of the second operator (which IRGC invested in), the competition forced them to reduce the price, no what is it? corruption or serving the country?

 

[ValerioAurelius]

When were the sanctions lifted? The United States never kept its end of the deal and remove all nuclear related sanctions, instead giving other reasons such as its missile program or any excuse they could find. There were always sanctions on Iran for one excuse or the other.
The IRGC needs the profit to compensate its low defense budget since Iran's Defense budget is already one of the lowest in the region.

How do villas and luxury resorts as well as muscle cars for iranian military staff profit Iran? How does Iran profit when its generals become millionaires?

So U.S, Europeans and Arab monarchs which have funded terrorist groups like Al-Qaeda Al-Nusra, ISIS, MKO are clean but Iran which supports Hezbollah is corrupt! it's easy to accuse the others when you are the judge yourselves.

remember this name, Silvio Berlusconi? have you heard about Italy Mafia?

a governor which simultaneously owns the private companies, it's the highest type of corruption which you talked about. corruption in west is systematic and legal, rich people spend money to reach the power, those who spend more have more chance, we call it the ultimate corruption, but in your countries it's common.
unlike your corrupted governors who seek their personal interest, IRGC isn't run by a single man, chance of corruption is much lower in this system.
unlike in your governments, having faith and morality is among the critical factors to even be recruited by IRGC, let alone receiving higher ranks. how many of your governors are willing to stand in the front line of war against ISIS?

IRGC earns money, then they can spend it directly on the military, or they can invest it and spend the profit on the military, by doing the second, they stabilize their incomes and reduce the risk.

You asked about mobile phone operator, there was a time when Iran's first operator was selling it's simcards with a price 90 times higher than today, after the arrival of the second operator (which IRGC) invested in, the competition forced them to reduce the price, no what is it? corruption or serving the country?

What if an italian business wants invest in Iran but doesnt want to deal with iranian military staff?

 

[mohsen]

What if an italian business wants invest in Iran but doesnt want to deal with iranian military staff?

Iran's economy is big enough to find your suitable case.
even in the projects which are run by IRGC, you wont be able to meet even one Iranian military staff. military staffs are appointed in the very high ranks, even in big projects which are owned directly by IRGC, you can't find more than few ones, not necessarily in the management, their role is more monitoring, citizens run the whole show.
I think we spoke enough off topic.

 

[ValerioAurelius]

Iran's economy is big enough to find your suitable case.
even in the projects which are run by IRGC, you wont be able to meet even one Iranian military staff. military staffs are appointed in the very high ranks, even in big projects which are owned directly by IRGC, you can't find more than few ones, not necessarily in the management, their role is more monitoring, citizens run the whole show.
I think we spoke enough off topic.

Our tranlstaor saw this in a different light. She said who we should avoid and all that. Considering she was an official translator from your government you see that your government has not that much trust in your military

 

[mohsen]

How do villas and luxury resorts as well as muscle cars for iranian military staff profit Iran? How does Iran profit when its generals become millionaires?

You can't find even one IRGC millionaire.

Our tranlstaor saw this in a different light. She said who we should avoid and all that. Considering she was an official translator from your government you see that your government has not that much trust in your military

guess what would happen when pro west Reformists take the power in Iran. hostility between Reformists and principalists (which includes IRGC) is not hidden.

Answer B is right. Airbus is not bound to follow US sanctions. It overrides the americans anctions and sells Airbus to russia for example.

Exclusive: U.S. grants second Airbus license to sell planes to Iran

Licenses allowing such sales could easily be withdrawn by the Trump administration if he chose to do so, sanctions experts said.

Although Airbus is based in France, it must have U.S. approval to sell planes to Iran because at least 10 percent of the aircraft’s components are American-made

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...-license-to-sell-planes-to-iran-idUSKBN13H1W0

 

[Aramagedon]

Choosing Rouhani and roll backing our nuclear program was a completely wrong mistake.....

The only language that US understands is language of power. That's it...

 

[ValerioAurelius]

You can't find even one IRGC millionaire.


guess what would happen when pro west Reformists take the power in Iran. hostility between Reformists and principalists (which includes IRGC) is not hidden.


Exclusive: U.S. grants second Airbus license to sell planes to Iran

Then whats your problem? If Europe decides to make zero deals where this IRGC is involved, this should be totally fine for you, isnt it? Its an organisation i would not want to make deals with.

 

[mohsen]

Then whats your problem? If Europe decides to make zero deals where this IRGC is involved, this should be totally fine for you, isnt it? Its an organisation i would not want to make deals with.

Europe has never had any deal with IRGC or Iranian army, their hostility against Iranian army isn't lower than U.S.
but as I said this new sanctions targets even companies which wants to deal with any company which has worked with IRGC. this means a big part of our economy. there is no problem except it's against the direct text of the deal, and can be considered the end of the JCPOA, whether Iranian Reformist government acknowledge it or not.

 

[Stryker1982]

So what would you call a government in which the defense ministry's budget reduced by 85%, space & nuclear program suspended, scientists fired, University projects shut down, etc?!

Treason and Traitors!!!!

We should be boosting our capabilities right now, as our enemies conspiring against us. We need to boost our naval capabilities and anti-shipping so we can bury these fucking Yankees in the bottom of our Persian Gulf.

 

[ValerioAurelius]

Europe has never had any deal with IRGC or Iranian army, their hostility against Iranian army isn't lower than U.S.
but as I said this new sanctions targets even companies which wants to deal with any company which has worked with IRGC. this means a big part of our economy. there is no problem except it's against the direct text of the deal, and can be considered the end of the JCPOA, whether Iranian Reformist government acknowledge it or not.

What are the plans to reduce military economic influence?

 

[Dinky]

What are the plans to reduce military economic influence?

as long as there is sanctions, they will continue to be involved to keep services and products cheap for Iranians

 

[ValerioAurelius]

as long as there is sanctions, they will continue to be involved to keep services and products cheap for Iranians

Which makes it impossible to generate profits. Such communist systems are something of the past.