The Eight Great Powers of 2017 [IRAN & INDIA]

[yavar]

Neither Hezbollah, Syria or Russia did anything against Israel.
You're weak.

fool take Hezbollah, off the list they have responded and retaliated to your attack ,
where have you been

 

[Beny Karachun]

fool take Hezbollah, off the list they have responded and retaliated to your attack ,
where have you been

No they didn't.
If they would have, you wouldn't hear about Hezbollah anymore, we have a right wing defense minister and not a dildo-throwing liberal that is afraid of flies.

 

[yavar]

No they didn't.
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they do it every time in there time and the choosing place

 

[Panther 57]

UK , France are Missing. Both these nations are powerful enough to be on the list.

My List :

1. USA
2. China
3. Germany
4. Russia
5. Japan
6. France
7. UK
8. India
9. Israel
10. Iran / Saudi Arabia

Sand is slipping from the hands of both these countries. With the latest developments in USA, it will not be surprising to see its name struck out from the list.

Are you kidding me? in what field did you excel? You didn't manage to even bypass North Korea which has even tougher sanctions against it.

Excuse me where did I come in from? I was talking about Iran, please have a look at my location and origin.

 

[Beny Karachun]

they do it every time in there time and the choosing place

This was after Samir Kuntar, Israel responded by bombarding Hezbollah with artillery.

Excuse me where did I come in from? I was talking about Iran, please have a look at my location and origin.

You said "Iran is strong because it has managed to excel despite sanctions" or something like that, how can you call being at North Korea's level "excel"?

 

[yavar]

This was after Samir Kuntar, Israel responded by bombarding Hezbollah with artillery.

ok so you admit that Hezbollah they always respond and retaliate . in there time and place chosen so take Hezbollah off your list

 

[Beny Karachun]

ok so you admit that Hezbollah they always respond and retaliate . in there time and place chosen so take Hezbollah off your list

You're giving me an example from two years ago which we remained in an advantage since they have stopped after we bombed the shit out of more Hezbollah strongholds, what about those?

http://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/1.756132

https://www.rt.com/news/373522-syria-army-base-bombed-israel/

https://www.ft.com/content/8d08632a-bc65-11e6-8b45-b8b81dd5d080

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/223285

 

[Panther 57]

You said "Iran is strong because it has managed to excel despite sanctions" or something like that, how can you call being at North Korea's level "excel"?

North Korea is not a bench mark. It depends on priority of each country. As of my knowledge they did a lot of work in aviation, medicine, even cloning; they have done reasonable development in nuclear energy. I would term it as becoming powerful. If we look at consumables they have developed their own brands. they do not have any foreign debt and they are ensuring that basic needs of all in the country are met. What else is required to be powerful. It is not necessary to invade a country (and then run away) to show one is powerful.

All these rhetoric are game of economy and economic development. Common man is kept busy in discussing who is powerful and who is not.

 

[vostok]

I want to explain the difference between the Russian and the American understanding of great power. For Russia - great power is the country, to which no one can tell what to do, and everybody have to negotiate with it. For America - great power is the country which gives orders to other countries and they have to obey.
Therefore, our vision accepts many great powers. But Americans accept only themselves as a great power. And the rest of the world - or vassals who obey orders or enemies who must be destroyed.
From our point of view, Iran - certainly is a great power, as all countries are negotiating with Iran, and no one gives orders to them.

 

[VEVAK]

Mr. Exclamation mark, we do have the right to maintain our own fighter jets and Al Salam Saudi Company is regularly doing this. Adding maintinace provision in any contract is not equivelent of exlusivity. It means that no warranty will apply if the maintiance wasn't provided by the manafacturer for a certain period of time. There is also a reason for the World's powers not to use ballistic missles but rather use fighter jets. Iran got North Korean missles to suplement its military b/c of sanctions.

There is a difference between countries that produce their own fighters vs countries that can't even maintain their own!!!
And the difference is quite clear all you have to do is go compare your military with countries that spend as much as KSA does on it's military!
KSA spend more than Russia, India, France, Germany, U.K., Japan... Yet your military doesn't come close to theirs in any aspect! And if Saudi Arabia every does anything that's truly against U.S. interests you will be cannibalizing your air force just as Iran did in the 80's & that my friend is NOT POWER!

And when the U.S. wants to attack a country they don't lead with fighter jet. They lob cruse missiles, then they send it their stealth bombers & some times the other way around & only after the path is clear they send in their fighter jet. And usually by that point it doesn't much matter what type of fighter jets they send!

And U.S. uses cruise missiles because they are lighter & smaller for the range they can travel so their ships can carry more of them and because cruise missiles are easier to intercept for well protected targets they 1st send stealth aircraft to take out the Air Defense equipment then the cruse missiles come flying in! So you see, having a bunch of fighter jets by themselves does not give you power!
Take a look at your struggle against Yamen a small country right off your southern boarder with no real weapons of any kind! What exactly do you think your air force can do to Iran?

And yes Iran kicked off it's missile program by purchasing ballistic missiles from Libya & North Korea SO WHAT? Many countries were buying missiles long before Iran ever was yet where is Iran today?
North Korea does NOT possess Solid Fueled missiles equivalent to Iran's and when it comes to liquid fueled their missile program is more focused on range than accuracy where as Iran shifted it's focus to accuracy once it reached the desired range but the North Koreas don't need to because they have Nukes!

 

[waz]

Lmao. . I have seen it all on PDF.
@waz ,@Arefin007 ,@Blue Marlin ,@Steve781 ,@Vergennes

Oh man.....What can I say.

 

[Arminkh]

You have never changed Israel's behavior, it has always been bombing anything that threatens us.

That was a great confession! Thanks for your truthfulness. Everyone in the region knows that you don't have any respect for other countries sovereignty and that's the exact source of problem between Israel and rest of the region.

You and Russia claimed that if we will bomb (And anyone else) Assad they will respond.

Iran doesn't have any anti-aircraft batteries in Syria. Factually, we don't have any heavy arms there of any kind so Iran could not claim to do anything about the bombardment. Iran brought Russia in for the exact same reason: Covering Syria's air force shortcomings.

That warning was in response to US and its allies bombing a Syrian post saying they made a mistake. That bombardment actually caused the rebellions who were backed by US to gain ground. Syria had intercepted communications showing that the rebellions were aware of the "mistake" going to happen soon. So Russia warned them if they do something similar again they will shoot them down. I don't see where Israel is involved in this but if you like think it was for you then fine.

I don't speak for Russians, but if you think Russian's air force with more than 1000 active jet fighters is scared of 300 or so jets of yours, then fine.

And lastly, please be a man about your bombardments and claim responsibility and let's see if you get a response or not? You are not at war with Syria, so you have no right to bombard them.

Not only we bombed Assad, we bombed Iranian generals along with Hezbollah members and Syrian generals, and guess what?

Yes and then rushed to say you didn't know he was inside that convoy. Sounds like an honest apology to me which I think Iran accepted, or maybe not. You know, Iran is much more subtle in its moves and has a owe full long memory. Again, shooting at others from behind your borders is not an act of power or bravery in my opinion.

 

[Draco.IMF]

you guys still arguing with trolls? shame on you....

 

[Arminkh]

I want to explain the difference between the Russian and the American understanding of great power. For Russia - great power is the country, to which no one can tell what to do, and everybody have to negotiate with it. For America - great power is the country which gives orders to other countries and they have to obey.
Therefore, our vision accepts many great powers. But Americans accept only themselves as a great power. And the rest of the world - or vassals who obey orders or enemies who must be destroyed.
From our point of view, Iran - certainly is a great power, as all countries are negotiating with Iran, and no one gives orders to them.

Thanks for your clarification @vostok

Now would you please explain to this @Beny Karachun why Russia has not used its batteries in Syria to shoot any of Israeli jets down? I did my best to say there is no point to shoot down an aircraft that has not even entered Syrian airspace. But maybe you can explain it better.

 

[Arminkh]

you guys still arguing with trolls? shame on you....

Come on. Sometimes its fun. Just see what kind of confession I was able to get from this one:

You have never changed Israel's behavior, it has always been bombing anything that threatens us.

Very civilized behavior! isn't it?