the Call of Ottoman Empire ..

[rockstar08]

It's simple, majority is needed for Caliphate to function. Otherwise it doesn't work as a system. It's not related to arrogance. Ottoman Caliphate downfall was a result of many reasons. Biggest reason being it wasn't compatible with modernizing world. This is why British Empire fell soon after, and why colonialism came to an end. Having non-Arabs control Arab majority region doesn't work. This is why when Arabs launched campaign against Sind, they left afterwards. And Asian tribes still largely had power until dispute later broke out. Today in Asia most are Asians, this is same reason why in ME even though there was Turkish adminstration, population largely remained Arab. Not everything is about Islam, it's about logic. Nor is about arrogance. You may think some Arabs are racist, that's fine. But it doesn't relate to this subject.

If you ask Muslims in Asia, their situation isn't bad. Muslims in Pakistan, Indonesia, Malaysia have devolping and largely stable nations(with exception of Pakistan). Arabs however have a big mess due to post colonial period which is even made worse by ethnic/sectarian divide of Saudi/Sunnis vs Iran/Shias. Plus Israeli advantage in the region militarily/politically. It's no easy task to deal with Iran/Israel/Shias. Right now Sunni Arabs are stuck between the three, and only insurgency can solve it. There will be no devolpment in Arab world until they eliminate these threats and form political transition afterwards. Their problem is they're doing poor job on military front because largely the ones who willing to take these steps are considerd extreme and don't recieve any arms.

if the Majority opinion that counts , than isn't it a Democracy ? same things happen , when you make decision over Majority , so they create law's for majority .. and this create clashes ..i would say if the selection was more on the character of the person its more logical ..
for some it may but rest Turks never want to be part of Arab league ..
i do know its not always about Islam , but eventually you have to bring Religion to fix or mess things up ...

well Pakistan is in the Mess yeah but why ? Thanks to Again the mighty race of Arabs ... you do know how they treat Asians in their land ..
our mess is because we have come to Fight along with Arabs in Past ,we make enemies which we dont have to , we have no direct confrontation with .. but we did for Arabs ..
why are you blaming the Colonial period for Arab spring ? they are fighting for what exactly they want to fight for .. we cant exempt few arabs like sheep's who just follow the Master blindly , but whole Arab world ? will put the Question mark on their Ability to lead the Islamic world ?

 

[Falcon29]

if the Majority opinion that counts , than isn't it a Democracy ? same things happen , when you make decision over Majority , so they create law's for majority .. and this create clashes ..i would say if the selection was more on the character of the person its more logical ..
for some it may but rest Turks never want to be part of Arab league ..
i do know its not always about Islam , but eventually you have to bring Religion to fix or mess things up ...

well Pakistan is in the Mess yeah but why ? Thanks to Again the mighty race of Arabs ... you do know how they treat Asians in their land ..
our mess is because we have come to Fight along with Arabs in Past ,we make enemies which we dont have to , we have no direct confrontation with .. but we did for Arabs ..
why are you blaming the Colonial period for Arab spring ? they are fighting for what exactly they want to fight for .. we cant exempt few arabs like sheep's who just follow the Master blindly , but whole Arab world ? will put the Question mark on their Ability to lead the Islamic world ?

You're going all over the place now and not making any sense. I wanted to address your questions that's all, and I did. I'm not going to get into argument over state of Asia.

Nobody said Arabs should head a caliphate. Non Arabs don't want a caliphate. Arabs want a Islamic union with modern governing function. And in their region only. of course Arabs will head it.

 

[Ahiska]

Having had conversations with Arabs on this subject, especially Egyptians, they viewed Ottoman Empire as a stain to their technological and scientific progress and a reason to rebel. I saw no logic to their argument, I mean what technological or scientific progress have the Arab countries made since fall of the Ottoman Empire? Nothing I'm aware of.. But then again, ultimately, one of the other reasons Ottoman Empire fell was because of the superior technology the western powers had, in the Gallipoli campaign Ottomans were still defending Canakale with Medieval Cannons with Marble shots !

Ottoman Empire became corrupt and lazy, just like the great empires that came before it..

Well atleast the Ottomans didnt get destroyed because other Turks attack them........
(Examples:Golden Horde/Gökturks/Nogai/Kazan/)

 

[T-123456]

That subject is very controversial bro....

Mate,Kurds fought in the east with us against the Russians/Armenians and in the South against the French.
Its is a fact.

 

[asad71]

1.To outsiders brought under Western education, history of Turkey pre-Kamalist Revolution has been hazy. Western writers/historians have mostly ignored or downplayed the history of the Magnificent Ottomans. Only now are we getting to know of the greatness of the Caliphs on whose name our forefathers used to offer the Friday khutba.
2. I find some confusion about identities of various nationalities under the Caliph. The Caliphs called their subjects Muslims without going into further descriptions. Travel papers of the citizens under the Ottoman mentioned their nationality as Muslim.

3. Jews and Armenians are powerful people in Turkey. They have endless funds. They maintain close links with enemies of Turkey.

 

[SouI]

@Sinan




Wow

Serious question no offense: are you muslim?

onca Hadis-i-serif, Sünnet, Ayet var bunlarin hepsini inkar mi ediyorsun?

Do you believe that you will get 72 virgins afterlife?

 

[Some1LikeU]

Its not sense to compare the two calls for jihad. Once Ottomans called all the muslim against invaders(not muslim) present isis calling to kill muslim, i mean muslim killing muslim. Second Usa has a project named ( eşek arısı kovani - sorry i wrote it turkish) they collect and send all the terrorist groups in the same region.So west response the call/ and send intelligence /special forces to region to kill muslim...