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The Burning South: India-Pakistan conflict in 2026 - A hypothetical scenario simulated. PLEASE REFRAIN FROM TROLLING OR JINGOISM
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Thanks. Taking a look.
Went to the dentist. One more session due.
Sounds smashing!
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What is your reaction on seeing this build-up?@SQ8 Are you making this scenario in CMO? Or shall I map this out to distract myself from the depressing political reality over here.
If you're moving multiple multi ton war machines closer to another country they might not see it as a peace gesture
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This is how it should look end-of-March 2026.
| Command | Corps and initial location | Divisions and initial location | Brigades and initial location | |
| Western Command | ||||
| II Corps – PATIALA | ||||
| 1st Armoured Division, Moga | ||||
| 31st Armoured Division, Moga | ||||
| 40th Artillery Division, Moga | ||||
| 6TH (I) ARMOURED BRIGADE MOGA | ||||
| IX Mechanised Infantry Corps – Yol | ||||
| 12TH RAPID UDHAMPUR | ||||
| 36TH RAPID NAGROTA | ||||
| 4TH RAPID JAMMU | ||||
| 18TH RAPID SAMBA | ||||
| 2nd (I) Armoured Brigade Mamun (Pathankot) | ||||
| 16th (I) Armoured Brigade Mamun (Pathankot) | ||||
| 3rd (I) Armoured Brigade Ratnuchak | ||||
| XI Corps – Jalandhar* | ||||
| 7th Infantry Division, Firozpur | ||||
| 15th Infantry Division,Amritsar | ||||
| 23rd Armoured Brigade, Amritsar | ||||
| 55th Mechanised Infantry Brigade, Beas | ||||
| South –Western Command | ||||
| X Corps – Bhatinda* | ||||
| 33rd Armoured Division, Hissar | ||||
| 24 RAPID - BATHINDA | ||||
| 42ND ARTILLERY DIVISION - Bathinda | ||||
| 14th (I) Armoured Brigade Bathinda | ||||
| 4 (I) Armoured Brigade - Bathinda | ||||
| Southern Command: | ||||
| XXI Corps - Bhopal | ||||
| 54 Infantry Division PUNE (RAMFOR) | ||||
| XII Corps - Jodhpur | ||||
| 11 Infantry Division - Ahmedabad | ||||
| 85th Infantry Brigade | ||||
| 31st Infantry Brigade | ||||
| 330th Infantry Brigade | ||||
| 11th Artillery Brigade | ||||
| 22nd Infantry Division Jodhpur | ||||
| 9th Infantry Division Jodhpur | ||||
| 75 (I) Infantry Brigade- Bhuj | ||||
| 29th Infantry Division - Jodhpur | ||||
| 16th Infantry Division Barmer |
I'd be grateful for any help, especially in picturising the ORBAT.
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There will be a line runnin from Bhuj to Marwar. It should be up in 6-7 months.
Also, will put down the beginning of the action by tonigght andd share.
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Shouldn't both sides disclose their political and strategic objectives. This would make easier for either side?
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Updated Indian ORBAT - West/South Kashmir:
North Punjab:
South Punjab:
Sindh/Gujarat:
Unchanged Pakistani ORBAT.
@Joe Shearer
I think that this again proves the attacker is always at an advantage in an India-Pakistan context. I wonder if China moving some units to the border would make India reconsider its Pakistan-centric deployments - but that's beyond the scope of this simulation.
If you let India mobilise and attack first, and exclude the China factor, chances of Pakistan winning a war become slim, especially as time goes on (Assuming Pakistan's objective is to achieve something significant in Kashmir or Punjab while holding India off down south. Pakistan could still stalemate India here, or gains will be minimal like 1971).
There is a gap in central Punjab that Pakistan could possibly exploit. Hopefully the paramilitary and police forces are good enough to deal with terrorists from Afghanistan in the absence of western divisions which will move east.
North Punjab:
South Punjab:
Sindh/Gujarat:
Unchanged Pakistani ORBAT.
@Joe Shearer
I think that this again proves the attacker is always at an advantage in an India-Pakistan context. I wonder if China moving some units to the border would make India reconsider its Pakistan-centric deployments - but that's beyond the scope of this simulation.
If you let India mobilise and attack first, and exclude the China factor, chances of Pakistan winning a war become slim, especially as time goes on (Assuming Pakistan's objective is to achieve something significant in Kashmir or Punjab while holding India off down south. Pakistan could still stalemate India here, or gains will be minimal like 1971).
There is a gap in central Punjab that Pakistan could possibly exploit. Hopefully the paramilitary and police forces are good enough to deal with terrorists from Afghanistan in the absence of western divisions which will move east.
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May I join the Pakistani war room?And remember - we may be these mostly
But can imagine this
Just remember you ARENT them and cannot understand all that they do - it’s their J O B.
I’ll repeat, you will not be payed for this or even get a cookie. And if your side loses or things don’t play out as you WANT, no money will be deducted from your account, no girl will reject you because of it and no one will question your manliness due to it.
ALL PAKISTANI MEMBERS WHO WANT TO BE PART OF THE PAKISTANI “WAR ROOM” PLEASE LET ME KNOW BY midnight 4/13 PST
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doing that from Indian perspective. will share in an hour or so.
I would just reiterate that the folks share only what would be “known” before a conflict.
@Desert Fox 1 @surya kiran
@JX-1 - even though CMO could do the whole theater I was thinking we start with the south since Ive done the north in a few different contexts before.
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@JX-1 - even though CMO could do the whole theater I was thinking we start with the south since Ive done the north in a few different contexts before.
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That makes sense - but I would caution that since the focus is trying to figure out if schrodinger’s cat is dead or alive in the box we don’t put too much focus on how the cat got into the box or whether its a cat at all.
So the why is ok, lets keep there where and what to the private channels so that both sides are within the fog of war as to what is happening beyond the IB other than Recce and intel reports.
Speaking of that, no Pakistani intel reports? @Signalian @Desert Fox 1? Not like the Pakistani side will keep quiet on the reports coming in
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The background
Pakistan
The new US President is having a re-look at US-Pak relations. The administration believes, Pakistan can be persuaded to be neutral in the strategic Sino-US landscape. In return, Pakistan has been presented with economic incentives and future sale of defensive assets against its main rival, India. Wanting to reduce its dependence on China, Pakistan has begun initial rounds of talks with the US. Pakistan is quite clear, it will not let its territory be used against China. The Americans agree to not interfere with Pakistan's Afghan policy and turn a blind eye to Kashmir and Afghanistan. Pakistan's name is also being removed from the FATF list. The Americans have also spoken about support for TAPI and are ready to speak with India regarding the same.
The Sino Pak relationship is taking on a more realistic view from both sides on possibilities. While China does not want to intrude on Pakistan's decision making, it is wary of closer US Pak ties. The CPEC project too is not progressing at the rate Pakistan wishes, leading to quiet back room discussions with China on the same. The Chinese, too have offered Pakistan military equipment without any riders. China also depends on Pakistan to ensure that there is no extremism spread into its restive Xinjiang province. Pakistan has till date ensured this never happens.
India
The Indo US relationship has progressed to cordial ties between both countries and increase in investments in India and a stable economic environment. The American attempt at militarsing Quad has not completely succeeded. While, there has been joint military exercies to increase inter-operability, there is neither a written nor tacit understanding regarding mutual defense. This stems from the absence of clearly demarcated borders of India with Pakistan and China and the territorial dispute between Japan and Russia. Intelligence and surveillance have improved considerably between the member countries. Economic and technological co-operation in Africa, to check China, has been another success story for the Quad.
The recent move of the Americans of getting Pakistan off the FATF list and suggestions of other economic co-operation has raised eyebrows in India, though nothing is being spoken about in the open forum. The increase in joint training of Pakistani forces with the Americans has also been noted byy the Indians. The Americans from their point of view, are frustrated by the Indian stand of not making overt gestures against China, by allying with them.
Sino Indian relations continue to be tense. The border skirmishes have resulted in stalemate across the LAC. Both sides have taken up aggressive patrolling. Trade continues to grow irrespective of border problems, though Chinese imports are being substituted by Indian vendors. This has resulted in a drop in the growth rate. India continues to view the close co-operation with Pakistan as a concern area, despite Chinese assurances to the contrary.
Indo Russian relations have been steady. Russia continues to be a major defence supplier and seems to be sharing tech with India nobody else will. The sanctions imposed by the Americans have started taking effect on Russian trade. The EU has managed to diversify its energy needs, but not to the extent it wishes. Energy imports to EU though has dropped by almost 30%. NATO has expanded to include the Scandinavian countries. The energy drop in EU has been covered by China. The Russians are now dependent on China as a major trade partner. Not something, the Russians are very happy with. Indo Russian trade has not grown at the rate Russia wants, though Russia continues to be a major supplier of Indian defence hardware and technology.
Internal Political environment in Pakistan
Things are looking up for the Pakistani Govt. With the Americans wanting to restart support, the economic outlook could improve dramatically. The GoP is looking to get a few trade deals to improve exports. With the removal from FATF, investment inflows can restart in full and the energy crisis can be settled. The borders are as they have always been, nothing to worry about. The government is stable. The military has managed to bring peace to KPK. Balochistan, too, the attacks have been reduced. Sporadic incidents do occur, but nothing to worry about. With investments promised by the Americans, Pakistan will reduce dependency on Chinese investments. New infrastructure projects are being planned.
CPEC finally looks like its going to change the face of Gwadar and Karachi.
The government for now does not wish to forment trouble with India, hence, overt support for the Kashmiri cause is not publicly spoken about. The future is now looking bright.
The military is staying in its barracks. The current COAS has no interest in getting involved in politics. After the IK episode, there was a strong anti establishment wind. This is no longer the case, but the Pakistani PM has appointed a professional soldier uninterested in politics to the helm. And he seems to be doing his job well.
Strategic environment in Pakistan
Would request a Pakistani to write this.
Internal Political environment in India
The past few years have seen a stable government in India. The opposition in the last Lok Sabha elections won more seats than before, but are still unable to dent the strength of the ruling government. The economy is growing much better after the break during the covid years.
The cabinet has a new face now. There is a new NSA and Defence Minister. The new NSA is a veteran of the R&AW and the first from the RAW cadre to be appointed to the post. Born in the 1970s, he has been involved in field work from the 1990s. He is known to be a rational operative and shares a good rapport with the PM. The Defence Minister is a technocrat. He was brought in mainly to modernise the defence industry and defence forces. An intelligent person, he knows when to listen to his peers and service chiefs.
Elections are 3 years away and things seem to be on auto pilot. There is a discussion on implementing the UCC and this seems to be the hottest topic for debate across all news channels.
Strategic Environment in India
While publicy everythings seems normal, there is disquiet in the core strategic thinkers of the GoI. Kashmir, though calm has not been solved and could ignite in the future. The border issue with China still festers, with neither side moving an inch. If the Americans back the Pakistanis, it will be the cold war all over again, except China will replace the Soviet Union. And Indian strategic thinkers believe it to be detrimental to them. They believe, it will embolden the Pakistanis to restart trouble in Kashmir. A strong Pakistan, backed by both China and the Americans can prove to be a problem in the long run.
There is also a quiet belief, that a 2 front war can be stalemated only at considerable loss of lives and economic costs for India. An interesting question being asked is what if it were reduced to only a 1 front opponent in the long term. And how could it be done.
The current NSA based on his experience does not believe in the rhetoric of splitting Pakistan. With his experience and his reading of history, he also realises the futility of war in Kashmir and Punjab. He believes it made more sense to threaten the lines of trade and investment in Pakistan. One of the analysts had created a scenario of a push across the South of Pakistan. Intrigued by this, he decided to war game this scenario and was pleasantly surprised with the results. With a few tweaks, he believes this was a much better plan than trying to cross the Kashmir mountains for a start.
The current situation of Pakistan entering into a happy relationship with America is viewed as an opportunity by this contrarian view of the rationalist. But, there exists no reason to launch any offensive in the South. In fact, there exists no reason to go to war with Pakistan. There would be outrage and sanctions levied by other countries. But he anyways decides to have a word with the Defence Minister and the CDS to work out the logisitics in case, the opportunity arose. Hopefully, couple of exercises could be conducted to work through the scenario.
The Opportunity
A few days back Pakistan had captured 30 fishermen in the Sir Creek area. While India, insists the Pakistani coastal guard crossed over to Indian waters and captured them, the Pakistanis insist they were captured from Pakistani waters.
But, today it is learnt that a boat capsized with a Pakistani Coast Guard in the vicinity. 15 people are believed killed. Pakistan insists they had nothing to do with the capsizing. India insists they were innocent fishermen whose boat was sunk by the Pakistanis.
Being a slow news day, the Indian media has caught on to the story. Interviews of the families has been shown non-stop and candle light marches have been organised. Fishermen across the country are showing solidarity with the families. Peacful protests have broken out in major coastal cities. The news has been picked up by major international news channels.
The NSA understands the opportunity. Operation Magarmach seems possible now.
Operation Magarmach
a. Threaten the economic development of Pakistan.
b. Split Pakistani defence concentration in the North.
Pakistan
The new US President is having a re-look at US-Pak relations. The administration believes, Pakistan can be persuaded to be neutral in the strategic Sino-US landscape. In return, Pakistan has been presented with economic incentives and future sale of defensive assets against its main rival, India. Wanting to reduce its dependence on China, Pakistan has begun initial rounds of talks with the US. Pakistan is quite clear, it will not let its territory be used against China. The Americans agree to not interfere with Pakistan's Afghan policy and turn a blind eye to Kashmir and Afghanistan. Pakistan's name is also being removed from the FATF list. The Americans have also spoken about support for TAPI and are ready to speak with India regarding the same.
The Sino Pak relationship is taking on a more realistic view from both sides on possibilities. While China does not want to intrude on Pakistan's decision making, it is wary of closer US Pak ties. The CPEC project too is not progressing at the rate Pakistan wishes, leading to quiet back room discussions with China on the same. The Chinese, too have offered Pakistan military equipment without any riders. China also depends on Pakistan to ensure that there is no extremism spread into its restive Xinjiang province. Pakistan has till date ensured this never happens.
India
The Indo US relationship has progressed to cordial ties between both countries and increase in investments in India and a stable economic environment. The American attempt at militarsing Quad has not completely succeeded. While, there has been joint military exercies to increase inter-operability, there is neither a written nor tacit understanding regarding mutual defense. This stems from the absence of clearly demarcated borders of India with Pakistan and China and the territorial dispute between Japan and Russia. Intelligence and surveillance have improved considerably between the member countries. Economic and technological co-operation in Africa, to check China, has been another success story for the Quad.
The recent move of the Americans of getting Pakistan off the FATF list and suggestions of other economic co-operation has raised eyebrows in India, though nothing is being spoken about in the open forum. The increase in joint training of Pakistani forces with the Americans has also been noted byy the Indians. The Americans from their point of view, are frustrated by the Indian stand of not making overt gestures against China, by allying with them.
Sino Indian relations continue to be tense. The border skirmishes have resulted in stalemate across the LAC. Both sides have taken up aggressive patrolling. Trade continues to grow irrespective of border problems, though Chinese imports are being substituted by Indian vendors. This has resulted in a drop in the growth rate. India continues to view the close co-operation with Pakistan as a concern area, despite Chinese assurances to the contrary.
Indo Russian relations have been steady. Russia continues to be a major defence supplier and seems to be sharing tech with India nobody else will. The sanctions imposed by the Americans have started taking effect on Russian trade. The EU has managed to diversify its energy needs, but not to the extent it wishes. Energy imports to EU though has dropped by almost 30%. NATO has expanded to include the Scandinavian countries. The energy drop in EU has been covered by China. The Russians are now dependent on China as a major trade partner. Not something, the Russians are very happy with. Indo Russian trade has not grown at the rate Russia wants, though Russia continues to be a major supplier of Indian defence hardware and technology.
Internal Political environment in Pakistan
Things are looking up for the Pakistani Govt. With the Americans wanting to restart support, the economic outlook could improve dramatically. The GoP is looking to get a few trade deals to improve exports. With the removal from FATF, investment inflows can restart in full and the energy crisis can be settled. The borders are as they have always been, nothing to worry about. The government is stable. The military has managed to bring peace to KPK. Balochistan, too, the attacks have been reduced. Sporadic incidents do occur, but nothing to worry about. With investments promised by the Americans, Pakistan will reduce dependency on Chinese investments. New infrastructure projects are being planned.
CPEC finally looks like its going to change the face of Gwadar and Karachi.
The government for now does not wish to forment trouble with India, hence, overt support for the Kashmiri cause is not publicly spoken about. The future is now looking bright.
The military is staying in its barracks. The current COAS has no interest in getting involved in politics. After the IK episode, there was a strong anti establishment wind. This is no longer the case, but the Pakistani PM has appointed a professional soldier uninterested in politics to the helm. And he seems to be doing his job well.
Strategic environment in Pakistan
Would request a Pakistani to write this.
Internal Political environment in India
The past few years have seen a stable government in India. The opposition in the last Lok Sabha elections won more seats than before, but are still unable to dent the strength of the ruling government. The economy is growing much better after the break during the covid years.
The cabinet has a new face now. There is a new NSA and Defence Minister. The new NSA is a veteran of the R&AW and the first from the RAW cadre to be appointed to the post. Born in the 1970s, he has been involved in field work from the 1990s. He is known to be a rational operative and shares a good rapport with the PM. The Defence Minister is a technocrat. He was brought in mainly to modernise the defence industry and defence forces. An intelligent person, he knows when to listen to his peers and service chiefs.
Elections are 3 years away and things seem to be on auto pilot. There is a discussion on implementing the UCC and this seems to be the hottest topic for debate across all news channels.
Strategic Environment in India
While publicy everythings seems normal, there is disquiet in the core strategic thinkers of the GoI. Kashmir, though calm has not been solved and could ignite in the future. The border issue with China still festers, with neither side moving an inch. If the Americans back the Pakistanis, it will be the cold war all over again, except China will replace the Soviet Union. And Indian strategic thinkers believe it to be detrimental to them. They believe, it will embolden the Pakistanis to restart trouble in Kashmir. A strong Pakistan, backed by both China and the Americans can prove to be a problem in the long run.
There is also a quiet belief, that a 2 front war can be stalemated only at considerable loss of lives and economic costs for India. An interesting question being asked is what if it were reduced to only a 1 front opponent in the long term. And how could it be done.
The current NSA based on his experience does not believe in the rhetoric of splitting Pakistan. With his experience and his reading of history, he also realises the futility of war in Kashmir and Punjab. He believes it made more sense to threaten the lines of trade and investment in Pakistan. One of the analysts had created a scenario of a push across the South of Pakistan. Intrigued by this, he decided to war game this scenario and was pleasantly surprised with the results. With a few tweaks, he believes this was a much better plan than trying to cross the Kashmir mountains for a start.
The current situation of Pakistan entering into a happy relationship with America is viewed as an opportunity by this contrarian view of the rationalist. But, there exists no reason to launch any offensive in the South. In fact, there exists no reason to go to war with Pakistan. There would be outrage and sanctions levied by other countries. But he anyways decides to have a word with the Defence Minister and the CDS to work out the logisitics in case, the opportunity arose. Hopefully, couple of exercises could be conducted to work through the scenario.
The Opportunity
A few days back Pakistan had captured 30 fishermen in the Sir Creek area. While India, insists the Pakistani coastal guard crossed over to Indian waters and captured them, the Pakistanis insist they were captured from Pakistani waters.
But, today it is learnt that a boat capsized with a Pakistani Coast Guard in the vicinity. 15 people are believed killed. Pakistan insists they had nothing to do with the capsizing. India insists they were innocent fishermen whose boat was sunk by the Pakistanis.
Being a slow news day, the Indian media has caught on to the story. Interviews of the families has been shown non-stop and candle light marches have been organised. Fishermen across the country are showing solidarity with the families. Peacful protests have broken out in major coastal cities. The news has been picked up by major international news channels.
The NSA understands the opportunity. Operation Magarmach seems possible now.
Operation Magarmach
a. Threaten the economic development of Pakistan.
b. Split Pakistani defence concentration in the North.
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I don't see it quite that way. On three occasions, Pakistan has been first mover; all three ended in a kind of stalemate, to be kind, although the first mover not meeting his stated objectives and having to concede serious encounters leads to another kind of conclusion in another unkind set of analysts.
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