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I am Ahmadi Muslim
According to Pakistani constitution, Alhamdolillah you aren't...
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I am Ahmadi Muslim
Sir, it's your prerogative. Just explaining the law of Pakistan.My friend I am sorry to read your words. We as members of forum should not make derogatory remarks on other members. And just for your information I do not belong to Ahmadi community. please refer to my comments above. Regretfully, i have to give you a negative mark for such conversation @Emmie @Horus @Jungibaaz
My dear this is a forum where people discuss different topics, this is not a platform to wage wars. There may be many non muslims interested in knowing about Islam. We have to develop a tolerant approach.
According to Pakistani constitution, Alhamdolillah you aren't...
A good thing then that the rules and regulations of the state can decide on the matters of the hearts. You are also mis-directing this thread.
Do you expect that non-Muslims will be able to comment on the applicability of blasphemy law?
It's not even that. The behavior of 90% of Muslims today is an insult to the Prophet (PBUH) and Islam (I include myself in this 90%) - but, no we're not insulted or hurt by that...nothing should enrage a muslim as much as a mosque being bombed.Most countries that wish to progress spend more time studying science and funding research, meanwhile we bicker about blasphemy, who and who not to put to death.
So don't comment on the thread concerning laws of Pakistan... You are enjoying all the benefits which a minority should enjoy in Pakistan...
It's not even that. The behavior of 90% of Muslims today is an insult to the Prophet and Islam (I include myself in this 90%) - but, no we're not insulted or hurt by that...nothing should enrage a muslim as much as a mosque being bombed.
Yet, we've seen across the world, not just mosques being bombed by muslim suicide bombers, but during Jummah prayers - where is the outrage? the hartals? the rallies? No, we'll find some obscure thing and get enraged about it and as for the punishment - we'll overlook all the other steps and skip straight to cut his head off
It's almost like we've forgotten when the Prophet started preaching Islam - all he faced was insults (insults beyond belief) - if he acted some act in here act, there wouldn't have been any converts. Everyone would have been put to death
Indeed, those who abuse Allah and His Messenger - Allah has cursed them in this world and the Hereafter and prepared for them a humiliating punishment. Quran 33:57You are also insinuating that words can hurt the Allah Ta'ala as well as the Rasool (saw). In the verses I presented, Allah Ta'ala is telling the holy Prophet (saw) to ignore their words. Are you now saying nauzibillah that the holy Prophet (saw) will command his followers to do something that he is commanded by Allah ta'ala to not do?
As I have already said it, It is a great practice if you do so, But dont associate it only with Holy Prophet PBUH. Do the same thing when someone insults you, your beloved ones, your community or whenever you come across any form of hate speech. Then you will be exempted of any personal action which might be required of people.As for my bearing to hear insults of the Holy Prophet (saw), well then that is none of your concern. I was taught to show my love for the Holy Prophet (saw) by forgiveness and when I hear insults about him, I present to them the beautiful teachings and life examples from his life to say there is no justification. I choose to send Durud on him, instead of killing a person, that is the teachings of the Holy Prophet (saw) that I know. I don't recognize this blood thirsty religion you have turned Islam in to
This is my whole point and I mention it many times. There is an Ijtihad which is in complete compliance with established procedure of Islamic jurisprudence. Blaspehmy does not come under Hadood laws but Islamic state has an authority to pass any such law which punishes the perpetrator using any form of punishment necessary.Yes it can be related to an Ijtehad after Holy Prophet (PBUH) where it was decided that blasphemer is to be executed.
The individual has no authority to do anything. It's the responsibility of the state to punish a person whose blasphemy is established. Criminal Justice system of the state will establish whether a person has committed blasphemy or he is innocent.@Gillani88 how can a person (saw) order a hit on person just on the bases of blasphemy
Please refer to last sentences of the opening post.if the same person(saw) stopped an angel from crushing whole taif between mountains and make dua for them even after they stoned him (saw)till his shoes were filled with his(saw)own blood. surley there must be something more to the story.my nabi was too merciful and polite to order a hit just for a personal reason.
one god or multiple gods does not matter with Indian religions. But it may offend Jews and Christians right ? They have their concepts and views on Jesus and God and prophet Muhammad and vice versa.Probably is, depends on which religion though. Which one are you talking about?
Although if I have a right to say there is only one God, they have the right to say whatever they want as long as the bounds of civilised discussion is not broken.
Indeed, those who abuse Allah and His Messenger - Allah has cursed them in this world and the Hereafter and prepared for them a humiliating punishment. Quran 33:57
The Ayat never mentions and promotes inaction against Hate speech and insulting remarks. Allah condemns the blasphemer with strongest punishment in both lives. But never the Quran says that state has no right in this regard. Islamic state has an authority to pass the law to punish the blasphemer. You have to prove it wrong. Which you wont.
There are examples in Ahadith where Holy Prophet PBUH has ordered the execution of the people who have hurt ALLAH and His Apostle. You ask me the question weather someone is capable of doing so or not. The words of Hadith are your answer. (I would apologies for any inaccurate transnationals if you prove).
As I have already said it, It is a great practice if you do so, But dont associate it only with Holy Prophet PBUH. Do the same thing when someone insults you, your beloved ones, your community or whenever you come across any form of hate speech. Then you will be exempted of any personal action which might be required of people.
This is my whole point and I mention it many times. There is an Ijtihad which is in complete compliance with established procedure of Islamic jurisprudence. Blaspehmy does not come under Hadood laws but Islamic state has an authority to pass any such law which punishes the perpetrator using any form of punishment necessary.