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1. Execution of Ka'ab:
The Prophet said, "Who is ready to kill Ka'b ibn al-Ashraf who has really hurt Allah and His Apostle?" Muhammad bin Maslama said, "O Allah's Apostle! Do you like me to kill him?" He replied in the affirmative. So, Muhammad bin Maslama went to him (i.e. Ka'b) and said, "This person (i.e. the Prophet) has put us to task and asked us for charity." Ka'b replied, "By Allah, you will get tired of him." Muhammad said to him, "We have followed him, so we dislike to leave him till we see the end of his affair." Muhammad bin Maslama went on talking to him in this way till he got the chance to kill him.
It is mentioned in Kashaf Al Bari that Ka'ab wrote insulting poems.
Reference: Sahih AL Bukhari, V-2, P-576
2. Execution of Abi Rafae:
Abi Raafe used to hurt the Apostle of ALLAH in two ways; he used to financially assist the enemies as well as speaking ill. So, Prophet PBUH sent people to execute him.
Reference: Sahih AL Bukhari, V-2, P-577
Original screen shot of Sahih Al Bukhari reference about execution of Ka'ab.
The sentence after sign of question mark in second line is the reason behind orders of Ka'ab execution.
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And that's why it should be on open forum. First of all, it shouldn't even be in Pakistan. We are not a Sharia following fanatics. Pakistan has a huge minority populations and because of that all laws should be so that they are fair for every person.
Where ever these blasphemy incidents happen, do you seriously think that poor minority would say such things unless provoked by our angel hearted blessed Muslims??
No. The Muslims almost always provoke (in Pakistan) and force them to such situations and i won't be surprised they do this by cursing out their religion.
And i don't think anyone is qualified to discuss this unless you bring a prophet or a messenger back to earth and let them deal with it
u forgot to tag @HorusWTH?? PDF shouldn't allow members to praise murderers? @WAJsal @Jungibaaz
@User bro your expertise are needed here
Following you lately and learning from youBro, if you are interested in serious and productive debates/arguments, then you need to learn the basics first.
Your heading should be "Why can't we accept Ijma e Ummat". If you think that there is no Ijma e Ummat on this issue then you should provide the evidence. You could start by quoting Ulema e Ahl e Sunnat who negated the capital punishment issued to a blasphemer.Why can't we accept your interpretation/understanding ?
Also the consensus among the Majority of Ulema in the past had been that Blasphemy is a pardonable offense... Which means that they also didn't consider Blasphemy as "Fasad fil Arz"
I have intentionally skipped your whole paragraph because I am learning from you. I have started the argument and presented the evidence. Now it's your job to negate all the arguments and provide counter arguments with proofs from shariah. Regarding my interpretation of Fasad Fil Arz you can dump it wholeheartedly. My interpretation meant nothing in Shariah.So your opinion is in contradiction with the Holy Quran, Hadith, and the consensus of the ulama of the past, therefore it can't be accepted
I demand that if the thread needs to be deleted because it's against forum rules than all discussion regarding blasphemy law should be banned immediately. Add this topic to banned list so that no one can argue for or against it.
The purpose of this article is to defend Capital Punishment which is mentioned in the article 295-C against the Blasphemer of Rasool Allah(P.B.U.H). Arguments are presented from Quran, Hardees and Ijma e Ummat as these things constitute the basic sources of Shariah. The article only discusses the legitimacy of Capital punishment to a person whose blasphemy has been established. I will only stick to Dalail e Sharia. It should be noted that I have just collected the evidence.
Evidence from Quran:
1. Indeed, those who abuse Allah and His Messenger - Allah has cursed them in this world and the Hereafter and prepared for them a humiliating punishment. Ahzab-57
· In this verse Abuse of Allah is the abuse of messenger because no one can hurt or abuse Allah as God doesn’t exist in any Materialistic form. Tafsir e Roohul bayan V-7 P-237, Tafseer e Mazhari V-9 P-289
· Insult and abuse of Prophet (whether it's direct or indirect) of his personality, religion and ancestry is infidelity. A person who is involved in committing such act became apostate(Murtad) and he is liable to Death. Tafseer e Mazhari V-9, P-291
· “Respect of Allah and His prophet is same thing” Allama Ibn e Qayam
· “Abuse and Insult of Prophet is Kufr” Ibn e Taimiyah
· “Ibn e Hamam Said The person who Abuses prophet become apostate, his repentance will not be accepted and he will be killed” Tafseer e Mazhari
· “According to one tradition Hazrat Abu Bakar Siddiq Also gave the same fatwa” Tafseer e Mazhari
· “They (People who commit blasphemy) are cursed in this world and their final punishment is death” Tafseer e Saadi
· “It is stated in this verse that It is obligatory to kill those people who intentionally abuses Allah and His prophet” Ibn e Taimiyah
· Same thing is stated in Tafsir Abi Saod V-4, P-77, Saadi, Abu lais Samarqandi
And those who harm believing men and believing women for [something] other than what they have earned have certainly born upon themselves a slander and manifest sin. Ahzab 58
· Try to understand the difference between abuse of Holy prophet and abuse of Believers. Same word “Yu’uzoon” has been used but punishments are different.
If the hypocrites and those in whose hearts is disease and those who spread rumors in al-Madinah do not cease, We will surely incite you against them; then they will not remain your neighbors therein except for a little. Ahzab 60
Accursed wherever they are found, [being] seized and massacred completely. Ahzab 61
· Prophet said “Curse on Momin amounts to(is equal to) his death” Bukhari, Muslim
· Reason of their curse is mentioned in previous verse that they used to Abuse prophet
· As they are accused so wherever they are found seize them and kill them. Sarim ul Maslool
[This is] the established way of Allah with those who passed on before; and you will not find in the way of Allah any change. Ahzab 62
Prophet Muhammad (P.B.U.H) personally encouraged and ordered killing of blasphemer Kaab bin Ashraf... it is in Bukhari
In Islamic believes no Prophet of God is sinful. All the Prophets are sinless and innocent.Kind of weird how Muhammad is being treated as the God, even tho he is only mane, sinner like the rest of us. Yet, he who abuses him, sinful human, gets the same punishment as he who blasphemes Holy God.... Its like Muhammad was Jesus, except not Son of God, but kinda was.
Killing Gods prophet would be the same as killing God, but in Muhammads case, he who doesnt respect him is at the same time not respecting God, even tho God is Holy, Muhammad sinful man...
So they are as pure as God, even tho the reason we lost conmectbto God was sin, the thing why we need to be saved from hell which we all deserve?In Islamic believes no Prophet of God is sinful. All the Prophets are sinless and innocent.
Following you lately and learning from you
Your heading should be "Why can't we accept Ijma e Ummat".