The absolute history of Ghilijis

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

Punjab and si dhis are mostly in india,

This is simply false.

The vast majority of Punjabis and related ethnic groups (Hindkowan, Seraiki, Pahari, etc.) are in Pakistan. Technically the whole of Sikh Punjab was also going to Pakistan, but India played politics there.

All of Sindh is in Pakistan, and aside from a few upper class Hindu immigrants who fled for India, Sindhis are completely Pakistani.

 

[TNT]

Yousufzais came 'back' to Peshawar area in the early 15th century along with some Durranis/Abdalis. Ahmed Shah, who came much later, distinguished them from Kandahari Durranis by giving them the title of 'Bur' or upper Durranis. I hope you get my point now.

As for their earlier migration to Afghanistan from coterminous Pakistan, they were forced to leave their original home because of the forced entry of Sychtic tribes in the region in the 5th/6th century. They then settled on the banks of river Helmand and founded a city which they named 'Gandhar' after their native capital, which is now called 'Kandahar'.

The original Afghans of Ghor moved into the Kandahar country around eighth century where the Gandharis were settled. The Afghans adopted the language of Gandharis and the Buddhist Gandharis adopted the religion of Afghans i.e. Islam. They lived together for centuries, intermarried and fused together into a common nation although retaining some level of distinct identities. Yousufzais are the descendants of those Gandharis.


And as for Sadozai Pathans, they are of Usmanzai descent and are closely related to Yousufzais. Sadozai Afghans (Popalzai) are a different group. They gave Shahs to Kandahar. And Barakzai Afghans gave Emirs to Kabul. Popalzais, Barakzais, Alikozais etc. are Zirak Abdalis (or Durranis). Ghilzais/Khiljis are an entirely different nation/group of tribeOTE]

It doesnt makes sense for a race to migrate and then remigrate back to same area lolz. Im a yousafzai and i know my history. Yousafzais fought wars with dalazaks and swatis to take current KPK area. swatis are mountain ppl still living in hazara division. You can refer to the pashto deppt of Peshawar university, to authenticate this. All yousafzai account point to the fact they migrated to new lands.
Also pashtuns like arabs and israelis are very strict n judgmental about race and lineage. We directly trace our lineage to ahmad khan baba and suleman shah, with no missing links. That is 600 years of lineage that is known by everyone and something common. Keeping trace of lineage was an important thing in pashtun society and that is why these are not tales but facts. There documents showing thousands of years years of lineage of pashtun families.
The ppl u call gandhara are pagans that were defeated by pashtuns. Many of them converted to Islam but pashtuns never included them in their race. Instead they were given separate lower ranks like nayee, qasaab (skill based classes) and bigaaryan (free labour). As i said land distribution follows same rules still. Recently due to hike in price of land n increase population, mountains of our village in dir were to be distributed becoz ppl wanted to develop it. The land equally divided among original families that settled here after winning over the area hundreds of years ago.
The local gandharans of Peshawar for example are currently the peshawar shehri ppl. They can speak pashto bt are not considered pashtun. Even sayyids, descendants of Prophet SAW in pashtuns tht speak only pashto are not considered pashtuns.
The brits just imagined wat hapenned n wrote it down for official use, no authentic research backing it. Also ghilzai are not outside tribe. They are pashtuns/afghans. As i said afghan/pashtun is a broad term. Ghilzai are pure Pashtuns in every sense and are alot in Pakistan too. There is no such thing as sadozai afghan and sadozai pathan lolz, its one sadozai tribe that has members across boundaries. Currently every pashtun tribe in Pakistan have members of same tribe in Afghanistan. Even pashtuns of balochistan are also related to all other pashtuns someway. Pashtun as an ethnic entity have expanded hugely. So huge that pashto language itself have many dialects and accents. The current written form of pashto is from yousafzais.

The bar i mentioned is way before abdalis and have always been there. North south divide of pashtuns is very old. Maybe abdalis brought it to the understanding of brits in laye 1700s.
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[M. Sarmad]

It doesnt makes sense for a race to migrate and then remigrate back to same area lolz. Im a yousafzai and i know my history.

It actually does make sense. Gandharis were driven out of their homeland by the Sychtic tribes. They settled along the banks of river Helmund, intermixed with other tribes, and after almost one thousand years, their descendants were once again driven out of their homes... That's how things had been throughout history, until recently..

As for you claiming to know your history, again, you are free to believe in legends and folk tales.. I prefer the British accounts

Also ghilzai are not outside tribe. They are pashtuns/afghans. As i said afghan/pashtun is a broad term. Ghilzai are pure Pashtuns in every sense and are alot in Pakistan too

Ghilzai nation has distinct origins and it's different from both, Afghans and Pathans. All of them share language and customs with each other, but not ancestry.

 

[TNT]

Of course, you are free to discard the British accounts and believe in your own legends and folk tales.

Its not legend n folk tales if known by whole nation and yet some choose to believe on an enemy's account. Those british captains were sent to survey and identify, they just wanted to get a story and never did any proper research.

 

[M. Sarmad]

There is no such thing as sadozai afghan and sadozai pathan lolz, its one sadozai tribe that has members across boundaries.

Then read the official records of the British Indian NWFP. Afghan Sadozai (Popalzai sept) have been recorded as Zirak Abdalis of Kandahar (some of whom lived in Multan) distinct from Sadozais (of Usmanzai descent) of Peshawar and Hazara.

Its not legend n folk tales if known by whole nation and yet some choose to believe on an enemy's account. Those british captains were sent to survey and identify, they just wanted to get a story and never did any proper research.

Bro, Pashtuns, just like Punjabis, are a very diverse group. There is nothing such as Pushtoon (or Punjabi) nation

 

[TNT]

Then read the official records of the British Indian NWFP. Afghan Sadozai (Popalzai sept) have been recorded as Zirak Abdalis of Kandahar (some of whom lived in Multan) distinct from Sadozais (of Usmanzai descent) of Peshawar and Hazara.



Bro, Pashtuns, just like Punjabis, are a very diverse group. There is nothing as Pushtoon (or Punjabi) nation

I have read those accounts and also books of pashtun historians. The british accounts have no head or tow. They call them barbarians and claim Islam made them blood hungry, as if those british pigs were here for charity. I immediately knew where ur coming frm but i suggest u also read pashtun books to know abt pashtun history. I agree to an extend that ghor was the starting place of pashtuns/afghans and that is because the one ancestor of pashtuns was qais abdur rasheed of ghor. From where ghorghashti tribe of pashtuns expanded. Basically the tribes were named after sons of qais abdur rasheed. Having original message of Prophet moses AS, pashtuns upon hearing of the last Prophet sent qais to arabia where he met the Prophet SAW and converted to Islam ans given the sjr name abdur rasheed by Prophet SAW .when he came back, the whole pashtun tribe converted to Islam. Hence famous saying that pashtuns converted to Islam as a whole race.

As u said like punjabis pashtun is a huge ethnic race. With thousands of years history, it is evident that it will mix with other races. Pashtun race specifically follows the father and in those days pashtun men would have multiple wives fem eveey tribe. They also married local converts.
So bro all pashtuns/afghans are of same lineage and race. Even a simple google search would tell u that. Pashtuns know their lineage and race its just that non pashtun pakistanis try to establish as if these pashtuns are different race. They are not but different tribes have developed independently over huge areas. Also these tribes have fought each other ferociously. Infact pashtuns have fought each other more than they ever fought outsiders.

Then read the official records of the British Indian NWFP. Afghan Sadozai (Popalzai sept) have been recorded as Zirak Abdalis of Kandahar (some of whom lived in Multan) distinct from Sadozais (of Usmanzai descent) of Peshawar and Hazara.



Bro, Pashtuns, just like Punjabis, are a very diverse group. There is nothing such as Pushtoon (or Punjabi) nation

The brits thought these r different tribes or maybe they did it to differentiate. Doesnt matter. Now as Pakistanis, u should believe in own account instead of those who enslaved us. Pakistan should research and collect local historians and make it official. How would u feel if i believe ur history as told by brits or hindus? Who better knows their lineage and history better than the same ppl? Pashto writings as old as 500AD are present. Im sure brits never read those or ever translates. Pashto poetry as old as 3000 years is also available.

 

[M. Sarmad]

Looking at current demographics, yousafzai are the majority pashtun tribe in Pakistan. Then come the khalil/mohmand, khttak n others.

Any source for this claim? As per the British Indian official records, Khataks outnumbered Yousafzais and Mohmand

 

[Adam_Khan]

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And Besides I Stopped Caring About Cricket A Long Time Ago

Aurato ne sirf tension he deni hoti hai bro,it takes time but trust me you'd heal. Have been there and seen it all.

 

[M. Sarmad]

So bro all pashtuns/afghans are of same lineage and race.

^^ this is a blatantly implausible claim (that can be easily refuted).
We, however, can agree to disagree.
Have a nice day.

 

[Adam_Khan]

There is nothing such as 'absolute' history.

And Ghilzais are predominantly Afghanistani. Thread posted in wrong section.

The Afghan proper are different from Pakistani Pathans.

And Ghilzais are distinct from both Afghans and Pakistani Pathans as they are of Turkish descent (with Persian admixture) who adopted 'Pakhto' tongue and culture, but they still are 'Opra'

What is the difference between pathans living in Afghanistan and Pakistan bro? I'm myself a Shinwari pushtoon and many families in my tribe have family members living across the border in Afghanistan so would having a different nationality make them different then!

 

[TNT]

Any source for this claim? As per the British Indian official records, Khataks outnumbered Yousafzais and Mohmand

This shows how wrong the brits were. My point was about current demographics but they stand in past too. Khattaks are actually a small tribe, currently living in karak and outskirts of Peshawar nowshera and few in mardan. Yousafzais on other hand are the majority, comprising areas of bajur, dir, swat, buner, shangla, bisham, batagram, kohistan, malakand, sawabi and some areas of mardan and mansehra.

You can check the census data for this. The 2nd largest are khalil/mohmand, who live in areas from mohmand agency to dalazak and almost 90℅ of Peshawar and surrounding areas along with charsadda area. The area is densly populated.
Do know khattaks and yousafzais used to be arch enemies, they were driven out of fertile north lands to the deserts of karak where they live majorly. Khattaks were mughal allies and yousafzais had old beef with mughals and therefore many wars fought between the two.

 

[M. Sarmad]

What is the difference between pathans living in Afghanistan and Pakistan bro? I'm myself a Shinwari pushtoon and many families in my tribe have family members living across the border in Afghanistan so would having a different nationality make them different then!

Shinwaris too most probably are ancient Gandharis (hence distinct from Afghan race) descendants living on both sides of the Durand line.

 

[TNT]

^^ this is a blatantly implausible claim (that can be easily refuted).
We, however, can agree to disagree.
Have a nice day.

It cannot be refuted as its considered a fact in Pashtuns. brits or indians can say watever they wish. If u ask any pashtun, they will tell u same thing, except very few who dnt know. Pashtuns expanded alot but can all be traced to one lineage.
It is also nothing extra ordinary as many such races have one lineage. Heck the whole humanity had one ancestor. The firther u go back, the more it streamlines. Like going back a branched algorithm. Plz read some local history. Its always better to get different view poonts while studying history. Good day to u too bro.

 

[M. Sarmad]

This shows how wrong the brits were. My point was about current demographics but they stand in past too. Khattaks are actually a small tribe, currently living in karak and outskirts of Peshawar nowshera and few in mardan.

Khataks are not a small tribe, they had been the largest Pashtun tribe in British India (and now Pakistan)...

You can check the census data for this.

Which census data are you referring to? Please post it here.

It cannot be refuted as its considered a fact in Pashtuns. brits or indians can say watever they wish. If u ask any pashtun, they will tell u same thing, except very few who dnt know. Pashtuns expanded alot but can all be traced to one lineage.

Give it a rest, mate ... seriously

 

[TNT]

Khataks are not a small tribe, they had been the largest Pashtun tribe in British India (and now Pakistan)...



Which census data are you referring to? Please post it here.



Give it a rest, mate ... seriously

Census of pakistan 2017. A simple google can show u khattak population being around 3 million, while population of dir and swat alone is 6 million. Let alone sawabi and other areas. Almost 4O℅ of Pakistani pashtuns are yousafzais and there are hundreds of tribes. Khattaks actually are a subtribe of a larger tribe that includes afridis and shinwaris too.

If u read some books ull find brits were utterly wrong about many things lolz.

The rest u can disagree with wat u want. There are many in world that don't believe the Prophet either. So its upto everyone. But dont claim that infront of pashtuns as they will laugh at u.