Terrorist attack on Ahmadi mosques in Lahore

[Hammy007]

the manner in which the attacks are taking place like attack on srilankan team, qadiyani attacks, attacks on police men etc these random attacks, doesnt show the hand of a group which is fighting for religious causes..

just to hide uneducated zerdari govt cant handle matter in anyway, they need scape goats and what a perfect time it is to label all their failures to taliban..

rehman malik will be calling a fake call to the news media, in fake talibans voice he would be admitting, hey its taliban, hey we did it man!!!!

 

[sparklingway]

All those pointing fingers without any proof already:-

1. We know that the Punjabi Taliban have accepted responsibility.
2. We know that Punjabi Taliban exist.
3. Govt of Punjab is stating that militants were from RYK, went to Karachi for religious training and trained somewhere in Waziristan and stayed in Raiwind before the attack.
4. We know Karachi madrassas (won't name any) have produced anti-ahmedi violence more than once before. The '53 protests and the entire history is in front of us.
5. There is no reported foreign involvement. Don't bring BS into the thread. And please do not proclaim that the militant was uncircumcised, there was Indian currency in his pocket or that RAW was written on the back of his qameez.
6. Pakistan has been attacked again and we have lost 80 of out fellow countrymen. It's time we indulge yet again in introspection and realize the reasons why people become militants and how we have tolerated the existence of his nuisance in out country rather than being in denial, which has been the activity of choice for our citizens for a long time.

 

[Bhim]

All those pointing fingers without any proof already:-

1. We know that the Punjabi Taliban have accepted responsibility.
2. We know that Punjabi Taliban exist.
3. Govt of Punjab is stating that militants were from RYK, went to Karachi for religious training and trained somewhere in Waziristan and stayed in Raiwind before the attack.
4. We know Karachi madrassas (won't name any) have produced anti-ahmedi violence more than once before. The '53 protests and the entire history is in front of us.
5. There is no reported foreign involvement. Don't bring BS into the thread. And please do not proclaim that the militant was uncircumcised, there was Indian currency in his pocket or that RAW was written on the back of his qameez.
6. Pakistan has been attacked again and we have lost 80 of out fellow countrymen. It's time we indulge yet again in introspection and realize the reasons why people become militants and how we have tolerated the existence of his nuisance in out country rather than being in denial, which has been the activity of choice for our citizens for a long time.

Sir,Thank you for the clarifications. I hope sense prevails.

 

[Aeon]

6. Pakistan has been attacked again and we have lost 80 of out fellow countrymen...

Is it 80 dead in India as well?

edit1: nvm, 80 so far as more are feared to be recovered ... condolences for both sides

edit2: strange how two organizations opposed to their respective states conduct attacks on the same day, with so far reportedly a similar number of casualties. Weird coincidence.

 

[pak-yes]

I am really sick of all this terrorism.I hate to say that if India is involved its just merely benefitting from a situation that we created.Just as India benefited from our mess in 71.Indians are neither so clever nor so well equipped to carry out the kind of terrorism that we have been facing for the past 3 years.

Of course that doesn't mean that we can completely rule out Indian support but the point we Pakistan ourselves are responsible for this mess for quite a large part.We used these people in Kashmir and now because of WOT these people have now turned onto us.

The only solution that i see is that a nation wide crackdown on religious seminars who only preach sectarianism if not outright terrorism also we must give a second thought to our doctrine on Kashmir.India has lost only a fraction compared to us.We must think of other Policies to liberate Kashmir.

 

[HAIDER]

these coward always attack and when peace loving people indulge in prayer. Not new and always attack from back on unarmed civilian.

 

[forcetrip]

I don't understand your comment. Do you not think that when people at prayer are attacked, it is not an attack on all of us? These terrorist may have targeted a specific group, but all terrorist target the same thing-civility and honourable people who behave according to the wishes of God.

Maybe you failed to truly understand the ambassador's comment.

would you waste your time arguing with a brick wall?

 

[Desertfalcon]

True. Sorry, I am an American Christian but I think sparklingway is correct in his information. I highly doubt there is any foreign involvement. I think it is rather obvious why the Ahmedis were targeted and I think whether one is Muslim, Hindu or Christian it matters not, but that such evil cowards who would cut people down and end their lives in the middle of their prayers to God, is the most despicable thing I can imagine. Those who were killed I pray are in the most lovely of God's heaven and those who murdered them deserve the worst fires of hell.

 

[forcetrip]

True. Sorry, I am an American Christian but I think sparklingway is correct in his information. I highly doubt there is any foreign involvement. I think it is rather obvious why the Ahmedis were targeted and I think whether one is Muslim, Hindu or Christian it matters not, but that such evil cowards who would cut people down and end their lives in the middle of their prayers to God, is the most despicable thing I can imagine. Those who were killed I pray are in the most lovely of God's heaven and those who murdered them deserve the worst fires of hell.

They earned their tickets to hell a long time ago, all that is needed from us is to expedite their travel dates.

 

[sparklingway]

Saviours of the day recount tales of horror
By Abdul Manan

May 29, 2010

LAHORE: In a feat of unprecedented bravery, two young Ahmedi men overwhelmed and helped capture two armed terrorists from Baitul Noor in Model Town.

Nabeel, just 25-years-old, told The Express Tribune that he entered the building at 1:30 pm before the Friday sermon had started. He recalled that the number of worshipers started to swell around 1:45 pm just before the first few gunshots were heard.

“Immediately after I heard gunfire, I saw the back of the head of one of the terrorists who was attempting to shoot Anwer, the security guard. I understood that he would try to enter the facility next and rushed to close the gate at the entrance. To buy us some time, I asked everyone inside the building to rush towards the basement. Most of the people who were killed were older men because they were not too quick on their feet,” said Nabeel.

“One terrorist who appeared to be in his mid-twenties entered the main hall and started firing indiscriminately at doors, windows and worshippers.

Then he hurled hand grenades and the resulting explosion injured almost everyone who had not made it to the basement.

We had a clear view of the injured people in the hall from where we were hiding. Immediately after the grenade explosion, the terrorist started shooting the injured people who were crying and screaming for help,” he added.

“I could see that the terrorist was injured and bleeding from the head.

He shot at least a dozen people before he fell to the ground. I used the opportunity to seize the man, still wearing his suicide vest. Two other men helped me remove his jacket and disarm him. I held him in that position for nearly 35 minutes waiting for police officials so I could hand him over to them,” said Nabeel.

“I had placed a foot just over the man’s neck to make sure he could not move. He kept telling me that he was in a lot of pain and wanted me to remove my foot.

I removed some pressure and asked him why he had killed so many innocent people. He replied that it was his mission to eradicate all infidels from Pakistan. I could not converse with him further after hearing him say that,” stated Nabeel.

Bilal, who is 21-years-old helped capture another terrorist. He was standing on the second floor of the building and had a clear view of the front entrance when he saw armed men walk into the facility.

“The terrorist looked like he was only seventeen. He threw the hand grenade that killed our patron Lt General (retd) Chaudhary Naasir Ahmad. Then he barged through the front door and made his way up the stairs to the second floor. I was hiding behind a couch. The young man was constantly firing. I had a clear view of everything that was happening. Luckily the terrorist did not see me,” said Bilal.

“I knew I had a brief window of opportunity to act. When the terrorist had his back to the place where I was hiding behind, I pounced and grabbed him and yelled to other people to help me overpower him.

The young man was talking in Seraiki, constantly pleading with us to give him a glass of water. I removed the suicide jacket from his torso with the help of a few people,” added Bilal.

“I understand a little Seraiki. I could tell that the boy was constantly abusing and cursing us for capturing him. I had to wait for half an hour before police officials arrived and arrested the young terrorist,” he said.

Published in the Express Tribune, May 29th, 2010.

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

The dudes should have beat the crap out of these a holes.

 

[Jackdaws]

I really want to know - what is the TTP's agenda?

 

[T-Faz]

It is sad to hear that a retired Lt General by the name of Chaudhary Naasir Ahmad was among the martyred.

 

[Patriot]

Saviours of the day recount tales of horror
By Abdul Manan

May 29, 2010

LAHORE: In a feat of unprecedented bravery, two young Ahmedi men overwhelmed and helped capture two armed terrorists from Baitul Noor in Model Town.

Nabeel, just 25-years-old, told The Express Tribune that he entered the building at 1:30 pm before the Friday sermon had started. He recalled that the number of worshipers started to swell around 1:45 pm just before the first few gunshots were heard.

“Immediately after I heard gunfire, I saw the back of the head of one of the terrorists who was attempting to shoot Anwer, the security guard. I understood that he would try to enter the facility next and rushed to close the gate at the entrance. To buy us some time, I asked everyone inside the building to rush towards the basement. Most of the people who were killed were older men because they were not too quick on their feet,” said Nabeel.

“One terrorist who appeared to be in his mid-twenties entered the main hall and started firing indiscriminately at doors, windows and worshippers.

Then he hurled hand grenades and the resulting explosion injured almost everyone who had not made it to the basement.

We had a clear view of the injured people in the hall from where we were hiding. Immediately after the grenade explosion, the terrorist started shooting the injured people who were crying and screaming for help,” he added.

“I could see that the terrorist was injured and bleeding from the head.

He shot at least a dozen people before he fell to the ground. I used the opportunity to seize the man, still wearing his suicide vest. Two other men helped me remove his jacket and disarm him. I held him in that position for nearly 35 minutes waiting for police officials so I could hand him over to them,” said Nabeel.

“I had placed a foot just over the man’s neck to make sure he could not move. He kept telling me that he was in a lot of pain and wanted me to remove my foot.

I removed some pressure and asked him why he had killed so many innocent people. He replied that it was his mission to eradicate all infidels from Pakistan. I could not converse with him further after hearing him say that,” stated Nabeel.

Bilal, who is 21-years-old helped capture another terrorist. He was standing on the second floor of the building and had a clear view of the front entrance when he saw armed men walk into the facility.

“The terrorist looked like he was only seventeen. He threw the hand grenade that killed our patron Lt General (retd) Chaudhary Naasir Ahmad. Then he barged through the front door and made his way up the stairs to the second floor. I was hiding behind a couch. The young man was constantly firing. I had a clear view of everything that was happening. Luckily the terrorist did not see me,” said Bilal.

“I knew I had a brief window of opportunity to act. When the terrorist had his back to the place where I was hiding behind, I pounced and grabbed him and yelled to other people to help me overpower him.

The young man was talking in Seraiki, constantly pleading with us to give him a glass of water. I removed the suicide jacket from his torso with the help of a few people,” added Bilal.

“I understand a little Seraiki. I could tell that the boy was constantly abusing and cursing us for capturing him. I had to wait for half an hour before police officials arrived and arrested the young terrorist,” he said.

Published in the Express Tribune, May 29th, 2010.

Brave Boys..

 

[Patriot]

It is sad to hear that a retired Lt General by the name of Chaudhary Naasir Ahmad was among the martyred.

Yeah and they say Ahemdi's are not patriotic.A officer would not reach position of Lt General in Pakistan Army if he was not patriotic!May god bless his soul.IIRC there was another ahmedi general Lieutenant General Akhtar Hussain Malik who served very well in 1965.He was removed from command at critical juncture otherwise Akhnoor would have been captured and Indian supplies to J&K would've been cuttoff.