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Will you guys keep your politics away from this thread??
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I don't think anyone has the right to blame the average Pakistani, least of these poor people from NWFP for this. They hardly had any choice in the policies followed by Intelligence agencies and GoP vis a vis Kashmir.
The only reason I put up my post was to "try" to explain why TTP brainwashed terrorists can do what they do.
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I don't think anyone has the right to blame the average Pakistani, least of these poor people from NWFP for this. They hardly had any choice in the policies followed by Intelligence agencies and GoP vis a vis Kashmir.
The only reason I put up my post was to "try" to explain why TTP brainwashed terrorists can do what they do.
PA controls GOP. PA controls all politicians in Pakistan, nobody dares to speak against it. PA controls Judiciary. Court will never pass any decision against PA.
PA thought they controlled all Jehadis. They were wrong. Some Jehadis have turned against PA, a problem in its own making. Even in this forum PA is above criticism. Failure of Pakistani state to thrive even after 60 years of independence directly as the result of interference by Army Inc. It has enormous financial & political interests in Pakistan. They created Islamists parties & Jehadis for their own benefits. Things have gone beyond the point of no return, unless its financial & political influence is radically cut off things will not change.
SecularHumanist and emo_girl:
“”Forget Swat, we have cheerleaders for the TTP right here, on this forum. Ahem ahem...........a certain Mr. J might have a smile on his face today because of what his jehadi brothers did.””
“”Where is Javed3???””
Very insensitive, inconsiderate, tactless and thoughtless on your part. I feel sorry for such simplistic and callous mind set.
I am against all forms of violence, whether perpetuated by TTP, or Army or anyone else; this is specially ghastly and nauseating between Pakistanis. We should be seriously concerned waging a war of sorts on our own soil. For what? To please our American masters?
PA controls GOP. PA controls all politicians in Pakistan, nobody dares to speak against it. PA controls Judiciary. Court will never pass any decision against PA.
PA thought they controlled all Jehadis. They were wrong. Some Jehadis have turned against PA, a problem in its own making. Even in this forum PA is above criticism. Failure of Pakistani state to thrive even after 60 years of independence directly as the result of interference by Army Inc. It has enormous financial & political interests in Pakistan. They created Islamists parties & Jehadis for their own benefits. Things have gone beyond the point of no return, unless its financial & political influence is radically cut off things will not change.
@those who are berating Javed3 even though he made it clear he is against civilian deaths.
I would like to point out that that's how the situation is in Kashmir as well.
The TTP might "say" that they are fighting for Islam and then use twisted logic to kill civilians. And the same mentality was first developed by LeT, HuJI and all the members of United "Jihad" Council based in Muzaffarabad who made excuses to target civilians including muslims who opposed them.
This is just their extension of these excuses in Pakistan itself uesd by TTP.
Let me explain with two examples:
(1) When so-called "Jihadis" were told that there is a muslim CM and a majority muslim parliament in J&K and that therefore people of J&K can choose their ruler and there is no Jihad applicable, this was countered by wrong statements that these people are not true muslims (munafiqas) and have been bought by GoI hence we can fight "Jihad". The same concept is being used by TTP to fight GoP.
(2) Although the Quran strictly forbids civilians (including non-muslims) from any sort of combat, the excuse Kashmir centric Jihadi groups gave perverted reasons that any muslim who does not support the Jihadis is a munafiq and his killing is Jaiz. There was no option of staying "neutral" and of course all those who opposed the separatists were already justifiable for killing. The TTP basically use this same perverted approach that killing any person who is no supporting them either financially, militarily or in other form can be killed. Its either for or against nothing in between
There are more such examples but ofcourse this has nothing to do with Islam, Quran or the prophet's life. These excuses were made for political purposes with no basis what soever in Islam. If this has to be defeated ideologically, then this has to be tackled at a national level and that includes demolishing these justifications that the United Jihad Council in Muzaffarabad uses against the Kashmiris. Otherwise how can you justify to TTP that if its valid in Kashmir held by India then why not in Pakistan.
Food for thought...
But why pathans killing their own people in Peshawar??
It looks like these TTP guys will kill anything that moves as long as it makes news.