Tejas : Story of a pie in the sky.

[gslv mk3]

In this case, neither LCA radar or engine are local made.

said who ?

 

[PakSword]

It's based on cost.

Good for you guys then. Good luck. I hope to see Tejas and our JF-17 facing each other in the airshows.

I also hope that this time, the induction of this aircraft is not delayed further like we have been hearing for the past several years.

 

[Beast]

Or make a attack helicopter and hope the foreign designers dont presents it decades later.

You wont even know about the French consultancy, if India didnt want to tell you. I wouldnt even know the, "percentage", of something, if India didnt want to. Please dont talk about India's transparency.

HELI-EXPO: Chinese WZ-10 attack helicopter based on Kamov design

After Kamov completed the design, the Russian design bureau verified the design via testing. Kamov then delivered the design to China and the Project 941 concept was accepted by that country's government for further development, he says. Kamov did not participate in any further developmental work on the WZ-10, he insists.

Thereafter, to the country's credit, Mikheev says, the Chinese handled the rest of the developmental work. That includes the developmental prototypes and the operational aircraft that is currently in production for the Chinese military.

What's wrong with WZ-10 gunship? 100% develop and made in China with no single foreign component unlike any of the Indian military hardware. A design is useless if it cannot developed into reality. The Russian admit they has 0% involvement in development of WZ-10. It is a 100% Chinese effort. Your comparison is pathetic.

 

[gslv mk3]

100% develop and made in China

If it wasn't designed in China, Ukrainians haven't helped with engines & Agusta Westland didn't help in developing transmission,your claim would have been true.

 

[AnnoyingOrange]

MODS: Why have I been Banned from this thread: Breaking - LCA observed doing double spin, vertical loop in 18 and Horizontal loop in 20 seconds .

I have not abused anyone.. I have stuck to the topic... I have provided relevant information ,,,,

Why is there bias?

 

[gslv mk3]

MODS: Why have I been Banned from this thread: Breaking - LCA observed doing double spin, vertical loop in 18 and Horizontal loop in 20 seconds .

I have not abused anyone.. I have stuck to the topic... I have provided relevant information ,,,,

Why is there bias?

Its locked,right ?

 

[AnnoyingOrange]

Tejas : Story of a pie in the sky.

By: Ajay Sharma

Date: 12/21/2015

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Starting in 1983, the Tejas fighter aircraft was touted as the marvel of Indian technology which would make an entire nation of a billion people proud, the dream however is yet to materialize. After having spent tens of thousands of crore rupees and almost three decades of development, the program has not brought pride but a national shame for India, all the while India’s enemies like Pakistan and China are building and exporting their own fighter aircrafts.


In a recent report, it was stated that the aircraft now has some 53 technical flaws which have a crippling effect on its operational performance, there are serious problems with its radar and electronic warfare suites, the training variant is unavailable which makes training Tejas pilots an uphill task. Not only that the reports suggest that the Indian content in Tejas is just 35% while the rest is imported from states like the United States, Israel, France and Britain.


The story of failure doesn’t end here, after back to back delays; the aircraft is now incapable of housing a critical self protection system which will protect the pilot from enemy aircraft. The Indian Air Force has all but lost interest in Tejas as it was an aircraft of yesterday which is being pushed down its throat by an ultra nationalist Modi govt which lacks any strategic vision for India’s security interests.

Its high time, the Indian govt decides to scrap this white elephant and direct funds to imported solutions like SAAB Gripen and other western fighter aircrafts to meet the ever rising threat from India’s enemies like Pakistan and China. The Tejas program is meant to do nothing more than satisfying the ego stock of the Modi govt which is bent on projecting India as a technological superpower while ignoring the genuine capability constraints faced by Indian aviation industry.


This mindset has also been exacerbated by Indian Air Force’s JF-17 Thunder envy, a successful program across the border pulled off jointly by Pakistan and China. It seems as if Tejas is the only answer to ‘keeping up with the John’s’ for the Indian politicians and military brass in Delhi. The truth is, Tejas has utterly and truly failed, it’s time to scrap it and focus on real capability development for the Indian airforce.

Source: Defence News, Tejas : Story of a pie in the sky.

This is what paid media would do... trying to belittle indigenous efforts so that foreign sellers get more money and they get more kickbacks...

India will do what is right for India .. rather than what a random poster thinks.

 

[AnnoyingOrange]

Its locked,right ?

It says you don't have enough privilege to post here.

 

[JonAsad]

Bahrain International Airshow Trade 2016 - Aircraft

amazingly i didn't see teja in any of the pictures- let alone flying-

 

[AnnoyingOrange]

amazingly i didn't see teja in any of the pictures- let alone flying-

The gallery is for last year... Go home you are Drunk.

 

[Super Commando Dhruva]

Military hardware and civilian products are different. Civilian products has no restriction and globalization is the way to cut cost and be price competitive but military hardware concern a nation security.

F-35 has its tyre make in China or some super magnet outsource is not becos USA can't make one but cutting the cost down. But when comes to radar and aero engines or avionics , these are core system that needs to be controlled or master by yourself as it concern national security in case of embargo. In this case, neither LCA radar or engine are local made.

You are right, that's what I was trying to tell you , you do not have to manufacture each and every thing right from the beginning because its not required, when some thing is easily available in the market. You Talked about types earlier were were importing tyres for our SUs, and LCA but we have also started making tyrs as well (MRF under Making in India program ) IF I just leave the Engine, and radar for the time being it would be almost an Indian plan. There are thousands of other parts that are required to make fighting machine. Not to forget that's our First fighter plan. Even you guys have had issues with your planes, your Air-force has many time accepted that your made in china planes can fly in the sky but they can not fight or WIN wars that is reason you Guys had to place an order for SU 35s like wise you guys have huge issues with your copy SUs with its folding wings, that is the reason you project manger died of Heart attack just before it Landed on your purchased carrier because he was not sure if it would land or crash on carrier. We are also not IRAN who can make 5th GEN over night, and photo shop it's flying..

 

[Stephen Cohen]

amazingly i didn't see teja in any of the pictures- let alone flying-

There are just 30 Images there including those of flying displays ; dignitaries
So maybe the Organisers dont have an Image of the Tejas

Confirmed Aircraft
108 Aircraft are now confimed to be participating at the Bahrain International Airshow. Detailed below is the full list of aircraft in both the static and flying display.

Participant Aircraft Display
Mark Jeffries Extra 330 Flying
Twister aerobatics Team Twister Flying
Air Arabia A320 Static
Al Jazirah Aviation Club Light sport A/C Static
Gyrocopter Static
6 seat general aviation Static
BAE Systems Eurofighter Typhoon Full Scale Replica Static
Spitfire MK.XIX PM651 Replica Static
Bell Helicopter Bell 429 VVIP Static
BDF Special Forces parachute team Flying
Comlux B767 Static
DHL B767-200F Static
B757-200PCF Flying
DRDO Lca Tejas 2 Flying
Embraer Executive Jet
A-29 Super Tucano
Emirates A380 Static
Gulf Air A320-ER Static
Gulf stream Aerospace Gulfstream 6650 Static
Indian Airforce (Sarang Display Team) HAL Dhruv Helicopters Flying & static
AEW&C Flying & static
C-17 Static
Kuwait Airways A330-200 Static & flying
Pakistan Air Force JF-17 Thunder Static & flying
C-130 Static
Qatar Airways Bombardier Global 5000 Static
A380 Static
A350 Static
Qatar Aeronautical College Piper Seneca V Static
Qatar Flying Club Auto Gryo Static
Aircreation Static
Diamond 42 Static
Tecnam P2006 Static
Tecnam P2010 Static
Tecnam Astore Static
Tecnam JF2002 Static
RAF Merlin Static
Voyager Static
Typhoon Static & Flying
Royal Saudi Airforce Typhoon Static
Russian Knights Su-27 Flying
Ilyushin 76 Static
Safat Aviation Group TBC Static
TBC Static
Saudi Falcons (Hawks) display team Hawks MK65 Flying
Saudi Gulf Airlines A320 Static & Flying
Sukhoi SSJ 100 Static
Tag Aeronautics Challenger Static
Global Static
TAI ANKA UAV Static
Textron Aviation Citation Sovereign + Static
King Air 350ER
AT-6
Texel Air B737-300F Static
UAE Al Fursan Aermacchi MB-339NAT Flying

UAE F16 Flying
M2000 Flying
USN F-18 Hornet Static
F-18 Super Hornet Static
MV-22 Osprey Static
AV8 Harrier Static
E-2 Hawkeye Static
C-2 Greyhound Static
MH-60 Sea Hawk Static
Sikorsky MH-53 Static
P-3 Orion Static
USAF B-1 Flying
F-22 Flying
F-15E Static
C-130J S Static

 

[gslv mk3]

You are right, that's what I was trying to tell you , you do not have to manufacture each and every thing right from the beginning because its not required, when some thing is easily available in the market.

 

[Beast]

Congrats, before Kamov said nothing, it was "100%" designed by China, at face value. Now we know there was Russian effort from the beginning. Not even the French whole sale gave India LCA's design, they consulted on several designs already developed by ADA.

So dont tell us about Indians are making things up, or refuse an Indian source like CAG, when every single thing is out in the open, by India itself. Here's another that need to be outed.

Getting foreign design is nothing when most of your core component are still import. If US or French Israel are going to embargo India today. Can LCA or LCH still form a force? No. But WZ-10 and J-10 can still goes on.

 

[aanshu001]

That is a fake chart. India are only good in make up things. LCA depend more than 50% on imported component.

First make your stand, CAG report is fake or fare, you can not agree on some part and disagree with other part of the same report as per your own convenient.

People stop behaving like Kapil Sibaal or Digvijay Singh ( Our Congress party leaders)