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well the indian assembled f16 won't come with a warranty pretty sure about that,if dassault has anything to say about it(rafale warranty issue on indian rafales)
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Nope. It is purely labour costs, which really comes down to training the manpower as well. Nothing else. Gripen with LCC costs 150-200M while Rafale costs $250-300M. It's obvious that splitting the fleet between the two jets will actually make it cheaper, not more expensive. We are talking about LCC.
The break even point for the IAF is 90 jets. After 90 jets, it makes no difference how many more jets we add, it's not going to bring down costs anymore, you can say any cost savings that we can get after 90 jets is very marginal. Which means we can always go for another type instead. That's why our MII contracts are also for 90-126 jets, that's 5 to 6 squadrons.
There was a time when we operated 14 different types of jets. That's when we were many times poorer than we are now. And we won't have more than 6 types by 2040 compared to 14 types.
Apart from that we have so many bases that it is impossible to spread out the infrastructure of our entire fleet to many more bases unless we get 250+ jets of the same type. The damage from "organizational complexity" is limited by the number of bases the aircraft are operated from. We have two bases that can handle the Mig-29, we have two that can handle the M-2000. That's more than enough for the numbers being used.
As for the article itself, the so-called "well researched" and "professional" article, whatever I posted above quashes most of the claims made in it. As I posted above, we are actually doing the exact opposite of what the article claims we should do. There goes your "professional" article. Of course, can't blame the writer since he has no clue we are going for 3 types of jets in parallel.
This little snippet for example--
Instead of chasing an unrealistic target of 40-44 squadrons of modern combat aircraft, or even the current minimum target of 39.5 squadrons, the IAF should try to eliminate much of the costly duplication of platforms for various missions and focus on defending its airspace from potential Chinese intrusions in future, and maintain credible offensive strike capabilities to ensure stable deterrence at the sub-nuclear level against Pakistan.
It will be news to him that IAF has decided to chase towards anywhere between 55 and 60 squadrons now. LCA, SE MII and TE MII.
LCA - 40+83+83
SE MII - 90+45+45+...
TE MII - 90+45+45+...
Navy - 57+90
This is the next 15 year plan. A squadron a year for each type. That's 600 jets for the IAF alone and another 150 for the IN.
You see, MMRCA was canceled, that was just a tender. If you haven't noticed, that wasn't the only tender canceled. The new govt canceled all tenders and are now re-issuing them again. MMRCA is one of them. And the SE tender is just half of that.
It's a well-written article for a westerner, but it has not captured the actual gist of what's happening on the ground. The very premise of the article is wrong.
why delay in export of Brahmos missile
After this reply I am convinced this is a useless effort on my part. You provide no evidence not even a link but yet you know the break even point on the jets, this is hilarious, anybody can make up facts to try to win an argument. Bring facts to the table that can be verified and you might have a case. See ya!
how much cost this deal to india ?
dont be cocky boy.Imo
Other than Chinease options the Pakistanis realistically have no other options .
Typhoon and rafale in
sufficient numbers IE fifty plus planes are simply out of reach .IE 15 billion dollars plus
USA,has constantly moved the goal posts for Pakistan and the status of south Asia main USA ally is over .something paf enjoyed for over fifty years until 2001.
Russia cannot produce the planes that paf needs unless it's bankrolled by Pakistan just like Indian paid for mki development and setting up license production
Thst leaves J10c from China or ten years hence the J31;
But what does Pakistan do between now and 2025
Your post is spot on, but let's not forget that the Americans did this from knee jerk perspective. There are other and better aircraft they could have offered to India. Instead, they offered the F-16 for obvious reasons. It has an economic and a political angle to it.
I personally applaud this move because I believe that Pakistan would be better off working on a domestic fighter with the help of China. This move has put a definite nail in the F-16 coffin for Pakistan. The F-16 is an off the shelf solution and a very sanction prone fighter for Pakistan. We did a very good thing by starting the JF-17 JV with China. This was our insurance policy against the F-16 and it has paid off.
The truth is that India is being pressured into buying these fighter jets. India is still the same country which has for a very long time opposed the acquisition of F-16 for obvious reasons. This unbelievable u-turn has no valid explanation apart from unrelenting pressure from the big boss.
well the indian assembled f16 won't come with a warranty pretty sure about that,if dassault has anything to say about it(rafale warranty issue on indian rafales)
There are lot of shocking facts of corruption I can share, but I don't want to & definitely not in this forum. The likes of Vijay Mallya is nothing. He is just a very small fish of Aquarium size in a mighty ocean. There are sharks & monsters 10 times the size of whales who have swallowed un imaginable amounts of money. I cannot even discuss or name those corruptions. Some of them are so shocking I can even be picked up, if I talk about it. I am carefully sharing which has already leaked in the media, though it has not come in the main-stream media discussion.
why delay in export of Brahmos missile
Russia already were building Oniks when they inked Brahmos co production. They proposed a modified upgraded version of Oniks for which India could build the air-frame, controls, guidance system, while they will supply the engine and seeker. This so-called co-development has two benefits for Russians:
1) By virtue of manufacturing engine and seeker, Russians dictate the price of Brahmos and it happens to be one of the most expensive purchases for Indian Armed Forces. Both the prices have shot up after development.
2) The features of Brahmos are comparable to Oniks, which is much cheaper. So every time a third country expresses interest in Brahmos, they are offered the Oniks by the Russians. Vietnam & Indonesia both accepted such an offer and now operate Oniks.
Indian armed forces have also placed large orders for Brahmos, which will take a few years to deliver. So they can't deliver Vietnam or Indonesia immediately. So it was just a ploy to pocket some money & develop the missile with our money. Yes no doubt the missile is the deadly best in our stable, but we already have our own indigenous missiles which are of excellent international standards & quality.
It's only now India has woke up, we are almost in the verge of getting a break through in seeker tech. Our own Engines also will be ready in next 2-3 years.
One of the main reason why Russia will mostly, still go ahead with FGFA T50 also with India, is because it cannot buy many of the knock down kits or parts from America, UK, France, Germany, Sweden, Israel or west. Same goes with China. If Russia picks India, India has good relations with most western countries, so they can get all the parts for development easily without breaking their heads for developing it. So the development cut shorts their time immensely for developing such technologies. It's multi-fold benefit for Russia, they save time, money & get easy access to sophisticated technology through India, which they can reverse engineer as India procures. So what Russia is doing is using India. They save their money & also pull out our money in the name of development, whereas if we are smart we can procure this & sell it at 10 times the price & make a killing or strike a deal. So this is pure exploitation why they do co- production.
Putin will try all bargains desperately to get the FGFA inked, wait & watch.
Russians sold T 55, T 90's & want to sell their advanced other tanks. Same goes with Tejas - Most of our jets are Russian. If we develop our own tanks & fighters, they not only lose the huge market of India, but also the after sales & servicing or spares business. Normally after buying fighter they hike up the spares prices multi fold. Most countries do this. I am telling you, we would have developed the Tejas MK 3 & exporting it even our AMCA would be flying by now. Russians bribe the Military top officers to reject the fighter. They even find the faults for the officers. This keeps stalling the development & funding. I wouldn't dare to tell this in a forum like this, but I am sharing it because it's leaked & public needs to know, all these types of corruption which happen.
Do your own research, it will save my time & also you will find many other things to learn on your own. I won't share something with my own fantasies, I will post only something which I have read & verified.
dont be cocky boy.
Not even closeDon't Worry what Ever India Will but we have F-16's and JF-17 to tackle the threats
PAF Attaining new heights and can tackle any threat PAF Chief
We all gonna hear the same line again and again
To Tackle F-16's PAF can induct J-10 From China it's Comparable to F-16's Block 70 i guess if not superior
Not even close
For anything besides total war, the PAF is equipped to the bare minimum and can deal with the IAF(they are facing other seconday and tertiary issues not related to equipment always which one never hears about but are critical toIn other words the gap between PAF and IAF is gonna increase furthermore??
I have read this opinion of yours before as well, may I ask for what reasons do you believe this?For anything else, 1 week is the PAF's effective operation capability.