Tata Deal With Lockheed Martin effect on PAF F16 fleet

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

I already stated many times US has left stash of heavy weapon in Afghanistan and now ISIS is bound to capture these weapons inside Afghanistan

The deal with India shows US is trying to destabalize Pakistan like it has tried to do with Turkey

 

[salman-1]

Mr NKVD I don't like to troll and write long stories, in short Tata is no aviation industry, my question is that where's the set up and where is skilled labour to assemble F-16 type aircraft under Tata supervision. If you hire Hal to do the job then it's a diff case.

And HAL is not available for hire like private companies.

 

[punit]

Mr NKVD I don't like to troll and write long stories, in short Tata is no aviation industry, my question is that where's the set up and where is skilled labour to assemble F-16 type aircraft under Tata supervision. If you hire Hal to do the job then it's a diff case.

And HAL is not available for hire like private companies.

10 YEAR 200 POSTS !

 

[dammer]

10 YEAR 200 POSTS !

Is this something that causing irritation in your a$$. you people are so obsessed with each other that you only look into small things rather focusing on the topic.

 

[punit]

Is this something that causing irritation in your a$$. you people are so obsessed with each other that you only look into small things rather focusing on the topic.

here comes another ! damn these VPNs

 

[dammer]

here comes another ! damn these VPNs

your negative ratings are telling how much you have contributed to the quality of the forum.

 

[punit]

Pak should not worry at all it's just at papers at moment .it will take time probably years when the first plane will be roll out and PAF will looking to retire those planes we should better donate our retire F16s to our neighbour .


Pak always get top notch equipment from china depands where theior tech stands at moment .i see no issue for 5 th generation jet for Pak we have many option j20 even turkish TFX .
India is just a American pawn againest china nothing more as what Indian history is .

makes sense ! a country in need of sugar daddies since inception.. USA to Saudi and to China now !

 

[dammer]

makes sense ! a country in need of sugar daddies since inception.. USA to Saudi and to China now !

Feeling Jealous

 

[Nalini]

If you can't see the positives in my posts, ignore it. A forum is for debate, exchanging views & to learn. If you don't like to read bitter truth, avoid negative posts of India or ask your moderators to block all Indians into this forum.

Pakistan was created to Keep people safe from lownlife Hindu mentality ....

And Pakistanis are very safe today & also going to be much safer in coming years.

your coming here to lecture us that we need to go back to being a slave nation like bengalis and Maldives and Bhutan etc....Jog on

I said to shed hatred, make peace & extend a hand of friendship. The above nations realise who their ancestors are & what's its culture. They are peaceful & better off compared to Pakistan. Your country is treated as a slave by many nations. If India calls you Hindu converted Muslim all hell will break loose. You won't have any voice if Muslims from Pakistan & the sub-continent are called Hindu Muslims or Hindi Maskeens by Arabs, which means converted Muslims. America strikes drones inside Pakistan at its own will. India definitely respect our allies with much better respect be it BD, Maldives, Bhutan, Afghanistan or Iran.

Jog on We Pakistani people love our freedom if you Hindu don't like it simply piss of then .....you can try to divide us as much as you like ....all of us will always be Pakistani at the end of the day

Use your brain & eyes to see the muslim world, who's dividing whom. Muslims divide themselves where ever they are. Enslave the weak, eliminate them if they raise their head & hit before anybody gains power. I am only explaining, get out of this madness. Friendship with India will save you from division, Enemity with India will divide you faster. You already had one division of BD.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-timessquare-backlash-idUSTRE64655Y20100507

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/raza-habib-raja/i-am-a-pakistani-indian_b_9397170.html

Pakistanis will defend, this is all fake even if the source is foreign or provide your own source.

Most Pakistani will give up to be called a Pakistani when the question of their survival comes. Tarek Fateh, Faysal Qureshi, Adnan Sami, Salma Agha, Brahamdagh Bugti are few examples. I can give a long list

http://www.hindustantimes.com/india...citizenship/story-yiT7Fa4juzk8UNO6T8BdpK.html

Pakistani restaurants abroad mostly never put Pakistani food. They will rather put Indian food served. I can give you list by each country if you need proof.

 

[Dr Shaheryar]

Plane only matters when the pilot is good. Greece and Turkey are adversaries but they both have F-16's. In the end the winner is the pilot who shows more skill. For that India will be far behind as Pakistan is already consider one of the elites' by even the best US and Israeli Pilot's of F-16.

 

[GURU DUTT]

Personally, while F-16 is fine aircraft, its time is up; how much more can you take out of a 50 yr old design.

Gripen is a better aircraft with much lower cost of ownership. But then again, i am not a politician who will be making the decision to appease the kickback lobby.

no Grippen NG or Grippen E as they call it wont be ready at least by 2023 and india will get only it after 2026 even if we order it today and all goes as per plan but F16 Blk70 is ready plus we are practissing on it with singaporean Blk52s based in india for at least a decade now and then we have all the help of israelies who are considered as masters of F16 tactics & usage

more so 70 % of avionics and engine tech of grippen is american and most of its weapons and controls and hence sweden cannot always furnish us all the TOT as it has to procure it from many diffrent nations and parties involved but in case of F16 all is based in USA with single source and with full US governement & DOD support we have nothing to worry about

rest as they say F16 is the most rigrous through bred war steed of fighter jet genration we have today plus the avionics package it has right now are basically seen on F35 tailored for it like next gen advanced EW+ECM+ Internal jammer suits and next gen GaN AESA radar & its all aspect 360 degrees HOBS capability coupleed by new gen JHMCS & HUD and new gen multiple internal IRSTs and internal LDP and next gen CFTs with inbuilt IFR and CENTRAL DATABUS with 100 TERRABYTE computing capacity and a weapons suite that is most potent and leathel

 

[Mufflerman]

I was just reading in another thread that F-16 sees other F-16 as friends not bogeys. That would be a serious disadvantage for India against Pakistan and vice versa if true?

@Windjammer

IFF is an electronic package. Has nothing to do with what model the aircraft is.

 

[GURU DUTT]

IFF is an electronic package. Has nothing to do with what model the aircraft is.

what these pakistani kids do not know atht all 4.5 gen fighter jets come with IFF these days and specially those with inbuilt GaN based EW+ECM+Jammer suits like Blk70 and have 4th gen DATA LINK while the indian ones will also have the iption or a special frquency for desi GPRS and LINK or whatever else tech is

 

[A.P. Richelieu]

no Grippen NG or Grippen E as they call it wont be ready at least by 2023 and india will get only it after 2026 even if we order it today and all goes as per plan but F16 Blk70 is ready plus we are practissing on it with singaporean Blk52s based in india for at least a decade now and then we have all the help of israelies who are considered as masters of F16 tactics & usage

more so 70 % of avionics and engine tech of grippen is american and most of its weapons and controls and hence sweden cannot always furnish us all the TOT as it has to procure it from many diffrent nations and parties involved but in case of F16 all is based in USA with single source and with full US governement & DOD support we have nothing to worry about

rest as they say F16 is the most rigrous through bred war steed of fighter jet genration we have today plus the avionics package it has right now are basically seen on F35 tailored for it like next gen advanced EW+ECM+ Internal jammer suits and next gen GaN AESA radar & its all aspect 360 degrees HOBS capability coupleed by new gen JHMCS & HUD and new gen multiple internal IRSTs and internal LDP and next gen CFTs with inbuilt IFR and CENTRAL DATABUS with 100 TERRABYTE computing capacity and a weapons suite that is most potent and leathel

Swedish Air Force will see deliveries of the first Gripen E in 2019, and will have access to all Weapons available to Gripen C at that time. Brazil will also see deliveries in 2019.
If India orders today, the factory can be built up in parallell with the Swedish and Brazilian factories, and deliveries in 2020-21 are not unreasonable.
It will take two years from build start to first aircraft so a decision in 2021 results in deliveries in 2023.
F-16 Block 70 is not ready, not even flying.
About a dozen nations manufacture F-16 parts. India will have to deal with them.
Looks like You have no clue about the F-16 manufacturing network.
Several countries have CONTRACTS GUARANTEEING THEM ORDERS FOR ALL
MANUFACTURED F-16s.

India will have to buy parts from Belgium, Netherlands, Denmark and Norway.
India will have to buy part from a number of other countries as well.

Lockheed does not own the IP to engine nor most of the Avionics, and cannot provide TOT,
on what it does not own. LM manufactures less than 40% of the F-16...

Gripen E allows the customer to add weaponry by writing Apps.
The Weaponry used by Gripen is much more compatible with Indias inventory and plans.

The F-16 radars are all GaAs. The GaN fighter radars are in development in the US, but are not available.

Your credibility is quickly approaching an all time low.

 

[GURU DUTT]

Swedish Air Force will see deliveries of the first Gripen E in 2019, and will have access to all Weapons available to Gripen C at that time. Brazil will also see deliveries in 2019.
If India orders today, the factory can be built up in parallell with the Swedish and Brazilian factories, and deliveries in 2020-21 are not unreasonable.
It will take two years from build start to first aircraft so a decision in 2021 results in deliveries in 2023.
F-16 Block 70 is not ready, not even flying.
About a dozen nations manufacture F-16 parts. India will have to deal with them.
Looks like You have no clue about the F-16 manufacturing network.
Several countries have CONTRACTS GUARANTEEING THEM ORDERS FOR ALL
MANUFACTURED F-16s.

India will have to buy parts from Belgium, Netherlands, Denmark and Norway.
India will have to buy part from a number of other countries as well.

Lockheed does not own the IP to engine nor most of the Avionics, and cannot provide TOT,
on what it does not own. LM manufactures less than 40% of the F-16...

Gripen E allows the customer to add weaponry by writing Apps.
The Weaponry used by Gripen is much more compatible with Indias inventory and plans.

The F-16 radars are all GaAs. The GaN fighter radars are in development in the US, but are not available.

Your credibility is quickly approaching an all time low.

GaN for F16 is already developed and USA is light years ahead of swedes in weapons tech and hardware manufacturing capabity and industrial output and of course polictial clout so India will always preffer USA product over swedish product given a chance when american product is on shelf price cheaper than swedish price more so say what you want but indian MOD will never ever buy grippen E/NG or any major aircraft form SAAB make no mistake about that ..... period