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Talking to the Taliban


15 Oct 2008

By Syed Shoaib Hasan
BBC News, Islamabad

Taleban militants fighting the Pakistan army in the country's tribal areas say they are willing to hold unconditional talks with the government.

Maulvi Omar, a spokesman for the militants, said they were also willing to lay down their arms if the military ceased operations against them.


The army is conducting operations against militants in the tribal region of Bajaur and the Swat valley.

The operations are said to be a serious effort to eradicate the Taleban.

The army wants them and al-Qaeda to be removed from Pakistan's tribal regions next to the Afghan border.

'No foreigners'

"We are willing to negotiate with the government without any conditions," Maulvi Omar told the BBC Urdu service on Wednesday.

"We are also willing to lay down our arms, once the military ceases operations against us."

Pakistan's government has said that it is willing to talk to the militants once they lay down their arms.

But it has also said it will not tolerate the presence of any foreigners in the region.


Maulvi Omar said that the local Taleban did not want foreign militants in the region and would help the government to remove them.

"We can set up a shura [elders] committee to liaise with the authorities in removing such people," he said.

Maulvi Omar said it was useless to debate the security situation in parliament without taking the Taleban into confidence.

"What is the use of discussing the situation without talking to us?" he asked.

Claims

Pakistan's military says it has killed and captured hundreds of militants in recent fighting in Bajaur and Swat.

The military also says that it has destroyed fortified encampments and training facilities of the militants in Bajaur.

But locals point out that this is mainly a series of exaggerated claims made by the military.

They say the militants never fight in regular positions, or behind fortifications, in Pakistan or Afghanistan.

The tribesmen also say that claims that dozens of militants have recently been killed are also exaggerated.

Local journalists say that many of the places where the military claimed to have killed the insurgents were abandoned weeks before any attack.

They also say that there is a big discrepancy between the number of bodies recovered and buried and the numbers of militants the military claim to have killed.
 
Tehrik-e-Taliban Pakistan nods for cease-fire
Updated at: 0046 PST, Thursday, October 16, 2008
Tehrik-e-Taliban Pakistan nods for cease-fire PEHSAWAR: Spokesman Tehrik-e-Taliban Pakistan said that it is ready to cease-fire and hold unconditional talks to government in case government also follows cease-fire.

He said this while being interviewed by a British radio on Wednesday adding that they were ready to cooperate government to evacuate the infiltrators from tribal areas for which they proposed to form a ‘Shora’ (committee).

He added that they understand the growing importance of the sovereignty and safety of our country given the current situation in our state however we would disarm ourselves and halt all our actions provided that government come forward sincerely and cease ongoing operation in FATA.:tup:

Tehrik-e-Taliban Pakistan nods for cease-fire - GEO.tv

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A mad scramble over Afghanistan
By M K Bhadrakumar

An impression is being created that there is a "rift" between the United States and Britain regarding the reconciliation track involving the Taliban. The plain truth is that the US, Britain, Saudi Arabia and Pakistan are in this murky game together.

The essence of the game is to make the "war on terror" in Afghanistan more efficient and cost-effective. Surely, it is official American thinking that there has to be some form of reconciliation with the Taliban. US Defense Secretary Robert Gates admitted as much last week. He said, "There has to be ultimately, and I'll underscore ultimately, reconciliation as part of the political
outcome to this [war]. That's ultimately the exit strategy for all of us."


When you repeat a word thrice in five seconds, it does register. Gates suggested he wasn't hinting at all about an "exit strategy". Indeed, at an informal meeting of the defense ministers of the North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO) last week in Budapest, Hungary, the alliance visualized a long haul in Afghanistan.

Taliban reconciliation
Any reconciliation with the Taliban would essentially be in the nature of picking up the threads from October 2001 when the US invaded Afghanistan and toppled the Taliban regime.

Taliban leader Mullah Omar promised at the 11th hour in those fateful days from his hideout in Kandahar via Pakistani intermediaries - that, yes, he would verifiably sequester his movement from al-Qaeda and ask Osama bin Laden to leave Afghan soil, provided the US acceded to his longstanding request to accord recognition to his regime in Kabul rather than engage it selectively. The US administration ignored the cleric's offer and instead pressed ahead with the plan to launch a "war on terror".

What we may expect in the period ahead is a deal whereby the "good" Taliban profess disengagement from al-Qaeda, which the US and its allies will graciously accept, and, in turn, the "good" Taliban won't insist on the withdrawal of Western forces as a pre-condition. The Saudis will ably lubricate such a deal
.

The sheer "unaffordability" of an open-ended war in Afghanistan will influence thinking in Washington if the crisis in the US economy deepens. But we are still some way from that threshold. The war should be "affordable" if the new head of US Central Command, General David Petraeus, can somehow make it more "efficient", which is what he did in Iraq. Presently, American politicians only speak about robustly conducting the war.

They are nowhere near framing the fundamental issue: How central is the Afghan war to the global struggle against terrorism? The answer is crystal clear. Afghanistan has very little to do with the basic national interests of the United States. Political violence in Afghanistan is primarily rooted in local issues, and "warlordism" is an ancient trait. That is to say, the Taliban can be made part of the solution.

Ultimately, the objectives of nation-building and legitimate governance in an environment of overall security that allows economic activities and development can only be realized by accommodating native priorities and interests. Washington has been far too prescriptive, creating a US-style presidential system in Kabul and then controlling it.

But such a regime will never command respect among Afghans. Deploying more NATO troops or creating an Afghan army is not the answer. The international community has prudently chosen not to challenge the legitimacy of the Hamid Karzai regime, but there is a crisis of leadership
. Inter-Afghan dialogue is urgently needed. The Afghans must be allowed to regenerate their traditional methods of contestation of power in their cultural context and to negotiate their cohabitation in their tribal context.

Again, the US has been proven wrong in believing that imperialism could trump nationalism. On the contrary, prolonged foreign occupation has triggered a backlash. The war should never have escalated beyond what it ought to have been - a low-intensity fratricidal strife, which has been a recurring feature of Afghan history. In other words, a solution to the conflict has to be primarily inter-Afghan, leading to a broad-based government free of foreign influence, where the international community can be a facilitator and guarantor.

Russia lashes out
But what clouds judgment is the geopolitics of the war. The war provided a context for the establishment of a US military presence in Central Asia; NATO's first-ever "out of area" operation; a turf which overlooks the two South Asian nuclear weapon states of India and Pakistan, Iran and China's restive Xinjiang Uyghur Autonomous Region; a useful toehold on a potential transportation route for Caspian energy bypassing Russia and Iran, etc. The situation around Iran; the US's "Great Central Asia" policy and containment strategy towards Russia; NATO's expansion - these have become added factors. Surely, geopolitical considerations lie embedded even within the current attempt to revive the Saudi mediatory role.

The interplay of these various geopolitical factors has made the war opaque. Major regional powers - Russia, Iran and India - do not see the US or NATO contemplating a pullout from Afghanistan in the foreseeable future. Tehran has been alleging that the US strategy in Afghanistan is essentially to perpetuate its military presence.

As a result, Russian statements regarding the US role in Afghanistan have become highly critical. Moscow seems to have assessed that the US-led war is getting nowhere and blame-game had begun. More important, Russia has began to pinpoint the US's "unilateralism" in Afghani
stan.

In a major speech recently regarding European security at the World Policy Conference in Evian, France, President Dmitry Medvedev made a pointed reference, saying, "After the overthrow of the Taliban regime in Afghanistan, the United States started a chapter of unilateral actions ..." He was making a point that the "United States' desire to consolidate its global role" is unrealizable in a multipolar world.

For the first time in the seven years of the war, the Russian foreign minister utilized the annual United Nations General Assembly forum to launch a broadside against the US, on September 27. Sergei Lavrov said:
More and more questions are being raised as to what is going on in Afghanistan. First and foremost, what is the acceptable price for losses among civilians in the ongoing anti-terrorist operation? Who decides on criteria for determining the proportionality of the use of force?

These and other factors give reasons to believe that the anti-terrorism coalition is in the face of crisis. Looking at the core of the problem, it seems that this coalition lacks collective arrangements - ie equality among all its members in decision-making on the strategy and, especially, operational tactics. It so happens that in order to control a totally new situation as it evolved after 9/11, instead of the required genuine cooperative effort, including a joint analysis and coordination of practical steps, the mechanisms designed for a unipolar world started to be used, where all decisions were to be taken in a single center while the rest were merely to follow. The solidarity of the international community fostered on the wave of struggle against terrorism turned out to be somehow "privatized".


These unusually sharp words underline the dissipation of the regional consensus over the war. Later, on September 28, at a press conference in the UN headquarters, Lavrov alleged that in a spirit of "prejudiced bias", the US was blocking the Moscow-led Collective Security Treaty Organization from helping to stabilize Afghanistan.

He also implied that the US vainly tried to block any reference to countering drug trafficking in the latest UN Security Council resolution on Afghanistan so as to deny Russia a role
. He said, "Not quite full consideration is given to the assessments and the analyses of all members of the world community when making very important decisions which later tell on the situation of all."

A spat has since erupted over a UN-NATO cooperation agreement relating to the Afghan war allegedly signed "secretly" by a pliant secretary general, Ban Ki-moon, and his NATO counterpart, Jaap de Hoop Scheffer. on September 23 in New York. Russia has threatened to raise the matter in the UN Security Council. To quote Lavrov, "We [Russia] asked both [the UN and NATO] secretariats what this could mean and we are waiting for a reply, but we warned the UN leadership in the strictest fashion that things of this kind must be done without keeping secrets from member states and on the basis of powers and authority held by the secretariats."

Russian envoy to NATO Dmitry Rogozin said on Wednesday that Moscow would consider the Ban-Scheffer agreement "illegitimate", and as merely reflecting Ban's "personal opinion". As can be expected, Ban is keeping mum, while Scheffer contested the Russian allegation. Indeed, cracks are appearing in the US-Russia understanding over the anti-terrorism campaign in Afghanistan. A turf war is ensuing - Washington is determined to exclude Russia from Afghanistan and Moscow insisting on its legitimate role.

Iranian posturing
Similarly, Tehran also has raised the ante on Afghanistan. After having supported the US intervention in Afghanistan in 2001, in the recent period several statements highly critical of the US-led war in Afghanistan have appeared, attributed to the Iranian leadership. The latest high-profile statement was the criticism by the chairman of the Expediency Council, Akbar Hashemi Rafsanjani, at a meeting with the visiting former UN secretary general Kofi Annan, where he lamented that the "occupiers" who created "insecurity" in Afghanistan and Pakistan were now "unable to rein it in".

More ominously, Tehran has invited former Afghan president Burhanuddin Rabbani, who led the anti-Taliban coalition (Northern Alliance) in the 1990s to visit Iran. Receiving him in Tehran on Sunday, the speaker of the Iranian parliament, (Majlis) Ali Larijani, told Rabbani, "The situation in Afghanistan is sorrowful and regrettable." He said the presence of foreign forces is creating "insecurity" in the loss of innocent lives and is causing rampant drug-trafficking.

In another statement in the Majlis two days earlier, Larijani condemned the US attacks on the Pakistani tribal areas in Waziristan. This was the first time an Iranian leader specifically took exception to the US military operations inside Pakistani territory. He said Iran was concerned about the extent of the devastation and the death toll in Waziristan and that the US had exceeded the limits of the Geneva Convention in fighting terrorism. "Every single day, civilians are falling victim to the US-led fight against terrorism," he said, adding the US was "destroying" Waziristan under the "pretext of fighting terrorism".

Most significantly, Tehran has broken its silence on the US-British-Saudi efforts to negotiate reconciliation with the Taliban. This has come, curiously enough, in the form of a statement by the powerful chairman of the Majlis National Security and Foreign Policy Commission, Alaeddin Broujerdi. Long-time observers of the Afghan scene would recognize Broujerdi as the principal designer and architect of the Northern Alliance and a key strategist of the anti-Taliban resistance in the 1996-98 period.

Conceivably, Tehran has dropped a meaningful hint by fielding Broujerdi to speak on the Western efforts to reconcile with the Taliban. Broujerdi firmly repudiated the recent US propaganda that Tehran was mellowing toward the Taliban. Talking to a visiting French parliamentary delegation led by Socialist leader Jean-Louis Bianco on Sunday, Broujerdi underlined Tehran's continued opposition to the Taliban. He sharply criticized the European countries for adopting a conciliatory attitude towards the Taliban. He counseled them that instead they ought to extend unequivocal support to the "popular government" in Kabul led by Karzai.

Broujerdi pointed out that the West's attitude and approach toward the Taliban, which is an extremist group, will "damage regional stability and security". He said the root problem is the continued presence of foreign forces and a settlement will be possible only with their withdrawal.

Broujerdi may have signaled that Iran will challenge and counter any Western attempt to invite the Saudis to return to the Afghan chessboard and to co-opt the Taliban so as to perpetuate the US and NATO military presence. We may deduce that the scheduling of Rabbani's visit to Tehran is intended to signal that Iran still has reserves of influence with the Northern Alliance groups, despite the US estimation that these anti-Taliban groups have been scattered or bought over by Western intelligence.

Rabbani seems to have risen to the occasion. He also lent his voice condemning the continued presence of foreign forces on Afghan soil. "At first, they [Western forces] entered Afghanistan with the slogan that they would establish security and fight terrorism and drugs, but now Afghans are witnessing an escalation of terrorism and an increased production of narcotics," the inscrutable mujahideen leader told Larijani.

What was perplexing was Rabbani's remark, "The only solution to the Afghan crisis lies in the creation of unity among all national and jihadi [read mujahideen] forces in the country and the establishment of national reconciliation among all tribes without ethnic, tribal and religious prejudice." This was also the proclaimed political platform of the Northern Alliance. To be sure, Iran will oppose any ploy by US and British intelligence to resurrect the paradigm of the 1990s to put the Taliban in power so as to "pacify" Afghanistan and to create a modicum of stability necessary for the development of transportation routes for Caspian energy.

At a time when the fabulous Kashagan oil fields in Kazakhstan are expected to come on stream in 2013, when Washington hopes to reverse the tide of Russia-Turkmenistan energy cooperation, when volatility in the southern Caucasus impedes the advancement of new trans-Caspian pipelines, then, Afghanistan bounces back as the most realistic and viable evacuation route for Caspian energy bypassing Russia and Iran - provided the ground situation could be stabilized and security provided which investors and oil companies would find reassuring
.

Indian dilemma
Both Russia and Iran will be keenly watching how India, which was a soul mate in the late 1990s staunchly supporting the anti-Taliban alliance, reacts to the current US-British-Saudi move. Indian leaders never tired of underscoring that there was nothing called "good Taliban" and "bad Taliban". That was up until a year ago. However, there is bound to be uneasiness in both Moscow and Tehran as to where exactly Delhi stands at the present juncture in the geopolitics of the region.

One thing is clear: a US-sponsored oil/gas pipeline via Afghanistan suits India, though that may undercut Russia and Iran in the energy sweepstakes
.

From all accounts, discussions were going on between the security establishments of India and the US for the past several months regarding an Indian military involvement in Afghanistan. Washington has been pressing for a major Indian role. A two-member Indian team, which visited Kabul in early September, claimed they were on a mission sponsored by the government to make an assessment of the layout for Indian military involvement. The team apparently held discussions with top American diplomats and military officials based in Kabul.

Evidently, Delhi was clueless regarding Saudi King Abdullah's secret mediation with the Taliban. This intelligence failure had to happen. Indian diplomats have been somewhat smug about the unprecedented influence they wielded with the Kabul regime, and as happens in heady times, they began blandly assuming the durability of the present Afghan setup.

They worked shoulder-to-shoulder with their US counterparts in Kabul and American thinking inevitably began coloring Delhi's perceptions. It seems the intellectual osmosis ultimately became one-sided. Under constant US encouragement, the inebriating idea of a major military role in Afghanistan and playing the "great game" crept into the Indian calculus. Delhi seems to have incrementally lost touch with the Afghan bazaar and ground realities.

The US-British-Saudi plan to accommodate the Taliban in the power structure in Kabul creates a dilemma for Indian policymakers. To do an about-turn and begin to distinguish "good" Taliban is ridiculous. It will be seen as kow-towing to the US and will be difficult to rationalize. The antipathy towards the Taliban runs deep in the Indian mindset, since no matter the actual character of the Taliban's "Islamism", a threat perception gained ground in Indian opinion regarding "Islamic terror" from Afghanistan. The Indian establishment unwittingly contributed to this by harping on the ubiquitous "foreign hand" in terrorist activities in India. A rollback of the thesis will take time.

Furthermore, India views that the Taliban as an instrument of policy for Pakistani intelligence and as detrimental to Indian regional security interests. All in all, Delhi will feel greatly relieved if the US abandons its plan to co-opt the "good" Taliban.

In the above scenario, both Tehran and Moscow will be looking forward to foreign minister-level consultations with Delhi in the coming weeks. Indian Foreign Minister Pranab Mukherjee is scheduled to visit Tehran in early November. Again, in November, in the run-up to the year-end visit by President Dmitriy Medvedev to India, Lavrov and Prime Minister Vadimir Putin will have consultations in Delhi.

The geopolitical reality, however, is that all three countries have transformed in recent years and their foreign policy priorities and orientations have also changed. They relate today to US hegemony in Afghanistan from dissimilar perspectives of national interests
.


Ambassador M K Bhadrakumar was a career diplomat in the Indian Foreign Service. His assignments included the Soviet Union, South Korea, Sri Lanka, Germany, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Uzbekistan, Kuwait and Turkey.
 
Afghan conflict in a changing world
Tanvir Ahmad Khan


The American presidential election is a long drawn out process during which perceptions of domestic and international issues and the semantics employed to articulate them keep undergoing subtle and not-so-subtle transformations.

This time around it has already gone on, in one form or another, for two years. These two years have seen a continuous erosion of paradigms and doctrines associated with the name George W Bush. As his wars became a trillion-dollar affair and Wall Street faced a meltdown, the mystical belief that the United States can afford to expend blood and treasure forever has suffered a blow.

Time has not stood still and other centres of power and influence have emerged. Admittedly, no direct challenger to American power has surfaced but when Americans vote on November 4, they would be aware of more actors on the international stage than at any time since the dramatic collapse of the Soviet Union. While Bush might have won India to the extent that proud and ambitious Asian nation can ever be won over, he has lost much goodwill in the post-Soviet Russia. He is also leaving China more distrustful of American intentions than before.

In the region that he vowed to reconfigure, Iraq and Afghanistan struggle with insurgencies or ravages of conflict that lasted much longer than Bush had imagined. It is doubtful if even Israel is more secure after the ill-fated project to re-engineer the Greater Middle East. Above all, Iran may not have realised its great economic potential but it has now a larger strategic outreach in generations. While international opinion might not have done it, the Wall Street crisis will in all likelihood keep Bush’s mind off invading Iran in the dying hours of his troubled reign.

Rhetoric apart, both the presidential candidates know deep in their hearts that the strategic landscape has changed and that they would have to defend their country’s global primacy in circumstances less propitious than eight years ago.

John McCain says he can do it at all crisis points. Barack Obama limits the battlefield mostly to the lands between the modest Amu Darya and the mighty Indus. He would divert troops from Iraq to Afghanistan and the armies of the West may have up to four more brigades. He is categorical about hunting down Osama bin Laden and his senior associates through unilateral action if the Pakistani government appears to be unwilling or unable to do the job. But his heroic statements are anything but reckless and he does not claim that these additional troops would produce an outright military victory.

Meanwhile, as if on cue, strong voices in the West seek to reverse the stand that there could not be any negotiations with the Taliban. A British commander re-defines the mission: reduce the Afghan insurgency to manageable proportion and let the Kabul regime grapple with it. Karzai or his successor would have to do it with an army, the officer corps of which would be dominantly non-Pashtun, a good enough reasons for the dispossessed Pashtun tribes to continue fighting.

Kabul would be expected to resurrect the battered Afghan state with a national economy dwarfed by billions of drug dollars shared alike by the friends and foes of the regime. Prospects of the international community creating a robust Afghan economy capable of squeezing out the drug-based economy diminish by the day. If this talk about engaging the Taliban includes a plan to invite them into the mainstream of Afghan politics, the rest of world has not quite been taken into confidence nor has it been told how it could be implemente
d.

Across the border, the Pakistani army and air force are already battling to degrade the power of insurgent groups that have diverse agendas for the future but a common purpose at present in carving out territories outside Islamabad’s control. The Pakistani campaign has certainly helped the coalition forces in Afghanistan but it has so far not been very successful in blocking the reverse flow of volunteers, weapons and money into Pakistan from Afghanistan. Nor has Pakistan succeeded in limiting the conflict to the tribal belt; the enemy continues to stretch the security structures by challenging them randomly all over the country.

We may witness significant changes in the battle for Afghanistan in 2009. Having reduced the intensity of conflict in some selected areas the West may well revise its mission objectives. Freedom and democracy will recede into the background; even reconstruction may take a back seat.

Instead there may be a return to the idea of a confederacy of tribes held together by an authority figure, a veritable dictator who trades transfer of power to him for guaranteeing core western interests such as the two major bases of Bagram and Shindand and a dozen other military facilities to project western power in the mega region. On their part the Taliban may lower their theocratic profile and let the ethno-national factor play a somewhat greater role to retain a dominant presence in the Pashtun belt
.

This is speculative at best but is the assembled Pakistani parliament discussing emerging scenarios for the future? Has the foreign minister given his assessment of the dynamics at work in the region from which Pakistan cannot hope to de-link its troubles? When will the prime minister outline his plan for the political and economic rehabilitation of areas that are bearing the brunt of current fighting? The state did not move into Swat effectively with such plans and the army had to launch the Second Swat War.

Pakistan is likely to face greater pressure whatever way the situation in Afghanistan is reconfigured in 2009. It needs to go beyond securing parliamentary “ownership” of the ongoing military operations and put together a strategic plan incorporating political, diplomatic and economic initiatives to pull the country out of the quagmire in which General Musharraf left it. We do not have unlimited time to do so
.


Tanvir Ahmad Khan is a former foreign secretary. He can be reached at tanvir.a.khan@comsats.net.pk
 
Taliban ready to lay down arms
Source: Our monitoring desk submitted 6 hours 52 minutes ago


TALIBAN militants fighting the security forces in tribal areas said they were willing to hold unconditional talks with the government.

Maulvi Omar, a spokesman for the militants, said they were also willing to lay down their arms if the military ceased operations against them.

The Army is conducting operations against militants in the tribal region of Bajaur and the Swat Valley. The operations are said to be a serious effort to eradicate the Taliban. The Army wants them and Al-Qaeda to be removed from Pakistan’s tribal regions next to the Afghan border.

“We are willing to negotiate with the government without any conditions,” Maulvi Omar told the BBC on Wednesday. “We are also willing to lay down our arms, once the military ceases operations against us.”

The government has said that it is willing to talk to the militants once they lay down their arms. But it has also said it will not tolerate the presence of any foreigners in the region.

Maulvi Omar said that the local Taleban did not want foreign militants in the region and would help the government to remove them. “We can set up a Shoora to liaise with the authorities in removing such people,” he said.

Maulvi Omar said it was useless to debate the security situation in Parliament without taking the Taliban into confidence. “What is the use of discussing the situation without talking to us?” he asked.

Meanwhile, reacting to a fatwa issued by Muttahida Ulema Council declaring suicide attacks haram (illegal) and najaiz (unlawful), Taliban on Wednesday said they are launching fidai, not suicide, attacks aimed at targeting the US and its allied forces.

Talking to the BBC, Swat Taliban spokesman Muslim Khan said they themselves also considered suicide attacks haram, and there should be a difference between fidai and suicide attacks.

“Attacks are justified against those people who are bombarding our homes and forcing us to evacuate our native areas on US dictations,” he said, adding before issuing the fatwa, the MUC members should have visited Bajaur and Swat to see what kind of action the security forces were taking against their own people there on the instruction of the US.


Taliban ready to lay down arms | Pakistan | News | Newspaper | Daily | English | Online
 
The TTP is on the run and now is the time to finish them off - the entire leadership DEAD! All trainers DEAD!, All those involved in atrocities against FC constables and Pak Fauj Soldiers, DEAD!

Prison and "rededucation" for all TTP rank and File.

Compromising with these invertibrates is a recipe for humiliation and a promise of further disaster in the future.

A Pakistan free of Islamist terror, it's our goal, we must not waver or allow ourselves to be distracted from our objective with these ploys of the enemy.

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Tehrik-e-Taliban Pakistan nods for cease-fire
Updated at: 0046 PST, Thursday, October 16, 2008
Tehrik-e-Taliban Pakistan nods for cease-fire PEHSAWAR: Spokesman Tehrik-e-Taliban Pakistan said that it is ready to cease-fire and hold unconditional talks to government in case government also follows cease-fire.

He said this while being interviewed by a British radio on Wednesday adding that they were ready to cooperate government to evacuate the infiltrators from tribal areas for which they proposed to form a ‘Shora’ (committee).

He added that they understand the growing importance of the sovereignty and safety of our country given the current situation in our state however we would disarm ourselves and halt all our actions provided that government come forward sincerely and cease ongoing operation in FATA.:tup:

Tehrik-e-Taliban Pakistan nods for cease-fire - GEO.tv

finally:yahoo:

Bull Sh*t!

No bloody ceasefire!

Whats that line about 'fool me, once fool me twice.." This would end up becoming the third time - in fact the fourth, if the 'deal' with the Swat Taliban is looked at separately from those with the TTP in FATA.

There is a simple condition for talks - disarm.

Along with the casualties inflicted by the PA in the Bajaur Op.s, my sense is that the potential rapprochement/reconciliation of NATO forces and the GoA with the senior Afghan taliban factions loyal to Mullah Umer and the old guard taliban are beginning to also play into the Taliban dynamic in Pakistan.

The Neo-Taliban/AQ movement is built primarily on the narrative of fighting 'US occupation' in Afghanistan, and that narrative will go down the drain if the old guard Taliban reach some sort of rapprochement with the GoA/NATO. Whatever Zardari and Nawaz's faults, the election of a 'democratic' government has created a sense of ownership of the GoP for Pakistanis, and the Taliban cannot as successfully argue against the GoP being an 'occupier under US diktat', as they might have done against a government led by Musharraf - Pakistanis just won't buy the argument (and in fact the signs already show they aren't, even in the Tribal belt) at gun point, or rather 'suicide bomb point'.

Their best chance was to destroy the economy and stability in Pakistan and step into the power vacuum, or take advantage of it, as people grew disenchanted with the inability of the GoP to correct the situation - now time may be running out for the Taliban/AQ to implement that plan.

Potential issues in the future - what policies will the new US administration adopt, and how will Iran and India shape the direction of future US policy, especially if rapprochement with Iran takes place under an Obama administration.
 
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For Gods sake no cease fire this time, ONLY surrender !!!

The very fact that these guys are calling for a cease-fire or talks is because they are getting their ***** handed to them. Thats what happened the last 8 times, and had we not attacked them in Bajour they would have said "no peace, good to hell", or "stop being slave to America then we leave you" or some other nonsense.
 
No place for a bloody Taliban in my sacred country, fight till we kill the last fcukin terrorist! :sniper:
 
Maulvi Umer is talking about layin down arms if the GoP announces a ceasfire.

Disarm and the militants automatically get a ceasefire since only those fighting are being targeted.

TTP once again playing for time or trying to find a way to get some bargaining power.
 
TTP once again playing for time or trying to find a way to get some bargaining power.

Exactly, we should just ignore them and let our cannons do the talking...
 
Tehrik-e-Taleban now on the RUN on Bajour ( their MAIN Head Quarter )

Now they have one offer

SURRENDER with all their Weapons ... & Join Politics ..

FATA should be Province & it should be decided by Referendum by FATA peoples ...
 
Tehrik-e-Taleban now on the RUN on Bajour ( their MAIN Head Quarter )

Now they have one offer

SURRENDER with all their Weapons ... & Join Politics ..

FATA should be Province & it should be decided by Referendum by FATA peoples ...

if they are let to surrender and join politics, they will try stir up trouble again once they have some more breathing space. i think they should be eliminated for good.
 
Pakistan Taleban 'want to talk'
By Syed Shoaib Hasan
BBC News, Islamabad

The Taleban believe they will be negotiating from a position of strength
Taleban militants fighting the Pakistan army in the country's tribal areas say they are willing to hold unconditional talks with the government.

Maulvi Omar, a spokesman for the militants, said they were also willing to lay down their arms if the military ceased operations against them.

The army is conducting operations against militants in the tribal region of Bajaur and the Swat valley.

The operations are said to be a serious effort to eradicate the Taleban.

The army wants them and al-Qaeda to be removed from Pakistan's tribal regions next to the Afghan border.

'No foreigners'

"We are willing to negotiate with the government without any conditions," Maulvi Omar told the BBC Urdu service on Wednesday.

Risky militia strategy

"We are also willing to lay down our arms, once the military ceases operations against us."

Pakistan's government has said that it is willing to talk to the militants once they lay down their arms.

But it has also said it will not tolerate the presence of any foreigners in the region.

Maulvi Omar said that the local Taleban did not want foreign militants in the region and would help the government to remove them.

"We can set up a shura [elders] committee to liaise with the authorities in removing such people," he said.

Maulvi Omar said it was useless to debate the security situation in parliament without taking the Taleban into confidence.

"What is the use of discussing the situation without talking to us?" he asked.

Claims

Pakistan's military says it has killed and captured hundreds of militants in recent fighting in Bajaur and Swat.

The military also says that it has destroyed fortified encampments and training facilities of the militants in Bajaur.

They say the militants never fight in regular positions, or behind fortifications, in Pakistan or Afghanistan.

The tribesmen also say that claims that dozens of militants have recently been killed are also exaggerated.

Local journalists say that many of the places where the military claimed to have killed the insurgents were abandoned weeks before any attack.

They also say that there is a big discrepancy between the number of bodies recovered and buried and the numbers of militants the military claim to have killed.

BBC NEWS | News Front Page
 
if they are let to surrender and join politics, they will try stir up trouble again once they have some more breathing space. i think they should be eliminated for good.

Agreed.

TTP is being funded by anti-Pakistan forces and it needs to be eliminated. TTP has no chances of entering into politics as it is a "banned militant group" and they never had a political wing anyway.
 

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