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Afghan Taliban take centre stage as Kabul cut out of peace talks

AFPFebruary 06, 2019
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Afghanistan President Ashraf Ghani's government has not been invited to the table despite efforts. — File photo

President Ashraf Ghani is being pushed to the sidelines as the Afghan Taliban ignore his overtures for peace and negotiate instead with his friends, and enemies, over the future of Afghanistan.

From Doha to Moscow, the insurgents are meeting an array of envoys with competing interests in Afghanistan, from the United States eager to withdraw its troops to politicians in Kabul jostling for power.

Experts say regional powers — including US foes Iran and Russia — are angling for an audience with the Afghan Taliban, who are already outlining their vision for Islamic rule once foreign troops leave.

The elephant in the room is Ghani, whose US-backed administration has not been invited to the table despite a failed year-long effort to spark a dialogue with the Afghan Taliban.

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“The sad irony is that Afghanistan's government is in danger of getting written out of the script of its own peace process,” analyst Michael Kugelman of the Wilson Center in Washington told AFP.

Ghani's allies in Washington insist Afghans should lead the peace process, and ostensibly the months-long push by the US to engage the Afghan Taliban has been aimed at convincing them to negotiate with Kabul. Those efforts culminated in an unprecedented six days of talks between the US and the Afghan Taliban in Doha in January.

The marathon negotiations ended with both sides touting “progress” — spurring Afghan fears the US could cut a deal with the militants to withdraw its forces before a lasting peace with Kabul is reached.

“It's a major snub because without the Americans, the government in Kabul cannot survive,” said Gilles Dorronsoro, a French researcher specialising in Afghanistan.

Then the Afghan Taliban agreed a week later to a separate, almost unheard of sit-down in Russia with some of Ghani's biggest rivals.

The two-day talks, which started on Tuesday, saw the Taliban lead prayers with political heavyweights, some sworn enemies, and listen as Afghan women defended their rights.

The Afghan Taliban promised an “inclusive Islamic system” and opened the door for allowing women greater freedoms, but also demanded a new, Islam-based constitution.

'Begging' terrorists
Frozen out for a second time, a furious Ghani vowed he would not be an idle spectator as his country's future was debated abroad.

The meeting in Russia was “nothing more than a fantasy. No one can decide without the consent of the Afghan people,” Ghani told Afghan broadcaster TOLOnews.

“Those who have gathered in Moscow have no executive authority. They can say what they want.”

He later said on Twitter that he had spoken to US Secretary of State Mike Pompeo, who had “underscored the central importance of ensuring the centrality of the Afghan government in the peace process”.

“We both agreed that words, rumours, and speculations cannot replace actions and that our partnership and resolve will remain strong in the pursuit of peace,” Ghani wrote.

A top US general later said that Kabul must be involved in talks if a push for a peace deal is to be successful.

“Ultimately, we need to get to a Taliban-Afghanistan discussion,” General Joseph Votel, the head of US Central Command, told US lawmakers on Tuesday. “Only they will be able to resolve the key issues involved in the dispute.”

The frustration and sense of betrayal in Kabul was palpable. Amrullah Saleh, a Ghani ally, accused the Afghan leaders in Moscow — including former president Hamid Karzai — of “begging... terrorists”.

“A smile to the enemy is a blow to the national spirit,” Saleh said.

The Afghan Taliban, who brutally ruled Afghanistan from 1996 to 2001, have so far refused to engage with the Kabul government, who they view as US stooges.

Instead, the insurgents are marching ahead with their diplomatic agenda.

This has presented an opportunity for Ghani's rivals to undermine his leadership ahead of presidential elections slated for July, analysts say.

Atta Muhammad Noor, an influential former warlord present in Moscow who is backing a Ghani contender in the polls, has called for the formation of an interim government to include the Afghan Taliban.

'A new war'
The Afghan Taliban outreach is also drawing a host of rival powers into its orbit, all keen to ensure that any finale to the war suits their strategic ambitions.

Many of these present “a fundamental clash of vision and interests” for Afghanistan, said Davood Moradian, director of the Kabul-based Afghan Institute for Strategic Studies.

The US, Afghanistan and India seek a stable democracy and a bulwark against terrorism, he said, while the Afghan Taliban and Pakistan, conversely, seek an Islamic government in Kabul.

A broader second group of “legitimate stakeholders and opportunistic spoilers” — including regional powers like Russia, China and Iran — have their eyes on waning US influence in the region, Moradian added.

The Moscow talks were officially hosted by an Afghan diaspora group but Russia's Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov welcomed the conference as “useful” to finding peace.

Dorronsoro said the US-Taliban talks, which continue later this month, were an “acknowledgement of defeat” by Washington of its military campaign that would not be missed by rivals Russia and Iran, who have also engaged with the insurgents.

The departure of US forces — if achieved under a deal with the Afghan Taliban — could draw the region into a “new war” for dominance in Afghanistan.

“India, Pakistan, Iran... everyone will choose sides. Today, nothing is clear. Everyone is in the process of positioning themselves,” Dorronsoro said.
 
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Afghan Taliban take centre stage as Kabul cut out of peace talks

AFPFebruary 06, 2019
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Afghanistan President Ashraf Ghani's government has not been invited to the table despite efforts. — File photo

President Ashraf Ghani is being pushed to the sidelines as the Afghan Taliban ignore his overtures for peace and negotiate instead with his friends, and enemies, over the future of Afghanistan.

From Doha to Moscow, the insurgents are meeting an array of envoys with competing interests in Afghanistan, from the United States eager to withdraw its troops to politicians in Kabul jostling for power.

Experts say regional powers — including US foes Iran and Russia — are angling for an audience with the Afghan Taliban, who are already outlining their vision for Islamic rule once foreign troops leave.

The elephant in the room is Ghani, whose US-backed administration has not been invited to the table despite a failed year-long effort to spark a dialogue with the Afghan Taliban.

ARTICLE CONTINUES AFTER AD
“The sad irony is that Afghanistan's government is in danger of getting written out of the script of its own peace process,” analyst Michael Kugelman of the Wilson Center in Washington told AFP.

Ghani's allies in Washington insist Afghans should lead the peace process, and ostensibly the months-long push by the US to engage the Afghan Taliban has been aimed at convincing them to negotiate with Kabul. Those efforts culminated in an unprecedented six days of talks between the US and the Afghan Taliban in Doha in January.

The marathon negotiations ended with both sides touting “progress” — spurring Afghan fears the US could cut a deal with the militants to withdraw its forces before a lasting peace with Kabul is reached.

“It's a major snub because without the Americans, the government in Kabul cannot survive,” said Gilles Dorronsoro, a French researcher specialising in Afghanistan.

Then the Afghan Taliban agreed a week later to a separate, almost unheard of sit-down in Russia with some of Ghani's biggest rivals.

The two-day talks, which started on Tuesday, saw the Taliban lead prayers with political heavyweights, some sworn enemies, and listen as Afghan women defended their rights.

The Afghan Taliban promised an “inclusive Islamic system” and opened the door for allowing women greater freedoms, but also demanded a new, Islam-based constitution.

'Begging' terrorists
Frozen out for a second time, a furious Ghani vowed he would not be an idle spectator as his country's future was debated abroad.

The meeting in Russia was “nothing more than a fantasy. No one can decide without the consent of the Afghan people,” Ghani told Afghan broadcaster TOLOnews.

“Those who have gathered in Moscow have no executive authority. They can say what they want.”

He later said on Twitter that he had spoken to US Secretary of State Mike Pompeo, who had “underscored the central importance of ensuring the centrality of the Afghan government in the peace process”.

“We both agreed that words, rumours, and speculations cannot replace actions and that our partnership and resolve will remain strong in the pursuit of peace,” Ghani wrote.

A top US general later said that Kabul must be involved in talks if a push for a peace deal is to be successful.

“Ultimately, we need to get to a Taliban-Afghanistan discussion,” General Joseph Votel, the head of US Central Command, told US lawmakers on Tuesday. “Only they will be able to resolve the key issues involved in the dispute.”

The frustration and sense of betrayal in Kabul was palpable. Amrullah Saleh, a Ghani ally, accused the Afghan leaders in Moscow — including former president Hamid Karzai — of “begging... terrorists”.

“A smile to the enemy is a blow to the national spirit,” Saleh said.

The Afghan Taliban, who brutally ruled Afghanistan from 1996 to 2001, have so far refused to engage with the Kabul government, who they view as US stooges.

Instead, the insurgents are marching ahead with their diplomatic agenda.

This has presented an opportunity for Ghani's rivals to undermine his leadership ahead of presidential elections slated for July, analysts say.

Atta Muhammad Noor, an influential former warlord present in Moscow who is backing a Ghani contender in the polls, has called for the formation of an interim government to include the Afghan Taliban.

'A new war'
The Afghan Taliban outreach is also drawing a host of rival powers into its orbit, all keen to ensure that any finale to the war suits their strategic ambitions.

Many of these present “a fundamental clash of vision and interests” for Afghanistan, said Davood Moradian, director of the Kabul-based Afghan Institute for Strategic Studies.

The US, Afghanistan and India seek a stable democracy and a bulwark against terrorism, he said, while the Afghan Taliban and Pakistan, conversely, seek an Islamic government in Kabul.

A broader second group of “legitimate stakeholders and opportunistic spoilers” — including regional powers like Russia, China and Iran — have their eyes on waning US influence in the region, Moradian added.

The Moscow talks were officially hosted by an Afghan diaspora group but Russia's Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov welcomed the conference as “useful” to finding peace.

Dorronsoro said the US-Taliban talks, which continue later this month, were an “acknowledgement of defeat” by Washington of its military campaign that would not be missed by rivals Russia and Iran, who have also engaged with the insurgents.

The departure of US forces — if achieved under a deal with the Afghan Taliban — could draw the region into a “new war” for dominance in Afghanistan.

“India, Pakistan, Iran... everyone will choose sides. Today, nothing is clear. Everyone is in the process of positioning themselves,” Dorronsoro said.
I dont recall Afghanistan having a central government.
 
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Lets not discuss winners and losers and settle the Afghan problem once for all and bring peace to the trouble land and it benefits all. Its an Islamic country hence its Islamic character must be preserved so Taliban can be inclusive of that power structure. Undoubtedly scores will be settled as this is the nature of the conflict and Afghans need to decide themselves. As long as future government is not anti Pakistan and chums of Northern Alliance are not there am well satisfied with that. Karazi was their to safe his own neck not to help any peace process selfish baster. Smart arses Ghani and Saleh will be soon on the US plane and out of that country.
 
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Hopefully there won't be Islamist rule otherwise expect another civil war and for Pakistan take the blowback on their western border.

Whoever rules post pull out needs to be grounded in reality but I don't think that will happen Taliban are a bunch of lunatics.

Well at least the border is sealed and Pakistan is better prepared this time.
 
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Meanwhile the puppet Kabul regime is getting spanked as the talks are progressing with other stakeholders.

https://www.dawn.com/news/1461979

Taliban hit army base, kill 26 troops: Afghan officials
APUpdated February 05, 2019
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The Taliban killed at least 23 soldiers in their latest attack in Afghanistan, and 3 policemen who were slain when the insurgents stormed a base located on the outskirts of Kunduz city, provincial officials said on Tuesday. — AFP/File

The Taliban launched a pre-dawn attack on an army base in northern Afghanistan on Tuesday, killing 26 members of the security forces, a provincial official said, the latest brazen assault by insurgents amid stepped-up efforts to resolve the country's protracted war.

The raid on the base in northern Kunduz province came as representatives of the Taliban were to hold meetings in Moscowwith prominent Afghan figures, including former President Hamid Karzai, opposition le, ders and tribal elders but not Kabul government officials



This Taliban operation was done in Kunduz, North Afghanistan, close to central Asia, Russia's backyard, while talks are happening in Moscow.
 
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Ghani is left out in the cold shivering like a wet dog.
Karzai is some what smarter than Ghani, when it come to understanding the Americans. They will lead you to no ware.
 
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he meeting in Russia was “nothing more than a fantasy. No one can decide without the consent of the Afghan people,” Ghani told Afghan broadcaster TOLOnews.

“Those who have gathered in Moscow have no executive authority. They can say what they want.”

That's the most telling story of Afghanistan. A person of no less stature than Hamid Karzai prays, hugs, eats food, laughs with the Talibans in Moscow while his replacement is fuming over that.

Just imagine that! Just imagine that kind of division in a society. The opportunism, the cynicism, the utter lack of principles, the regicides and backstabbings, and the lack of mortality in the Afghan 'leadership' going at least as far back as the stupid Saur Revolution of the 1970s.

No matter how much Pakistan is blamed, it's ultimately the Afghans themselves who have continued to produce the 'leadership' of such a caliber that even some Sub-Saharan countries would fare better than them.
 
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Lets not discuss winners and losers and settle the Afghan problem once for all and bring peace to the trouble land and it benefits all. Its an Islamic country hence its Islamic character must be preserved so Taliban can be inclusive of that power structure. Undoubtedly scores will be settled as this is the nature of the conflict and Afghans need to decide themselves. As long as future government is not anti Pakistan and chums of Northern Alliance are not there am well satisfied with that. Karazi was their to safe his own neck not to help any peace process selfish baster. Smart arses Ghani and Saleh will be soon on the US plane and out of that country.
President Trump is building a Wall for a reason...
 
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I know its an unpopular opinion on here but we shouldnt be cheerleading for talibs to come into power. Would we want TTP for ourselves? Let them decide whats best for them.

In a way you have a valid point.... But in today's world of covert and 5th generation asymmetrical warfare... Things arent as black and white as they were...

It's more about containment and averting terrorism ....

Fifth Generation Warfare in Pakistan

Fifth generation warfare emanates out of frustration, due to deep seated feelings of political and economic deprivation

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Warfare has evolved far beyond the first generation; when it was all about set pieces of lines and columns of armed soldiers. Today, this favourite past time of mankind is waged by frustrated non-state warriors, directing their rage against visible symbols of oppression and opulence, drawing visceral as well as vicarious pleasure out of their violence. Third generation warfare, which was waged between industrial age armies over land and resources was replaced by fourth generation warfare, waged by non-state actors and asymmetric warriors employing terrorism as a tool to achieve their political objectives. Fifth generation warfare is an interesting development, where non-state warriors fight nation states out of sheer frustration without clear political objectives. According to a US Army Major Shannon Beebe this kind of warfare would be motivated by frustration than any other material or ideological objective. US Marine Corps Lt Colonel Stanton writes in Marine Corps Gazette that the fifth generation warfare is most likely to be prosecuted in “enclaves of deprivation” where the vortex of violence threatens peace and order.

Some of the areas mapped by these prophets of fifth generation warfare for future conflicts include Africa, South Asia, and the Middle East. Al-Qaeda, the Islamic State (IS), and other ideological warriors provide the ideological anchors for the impromptu violence by these fifth generation warriors. Poverty, economic deprivation, and political injustices breed fifth generation warriors, whose hatred emanates out of a feeling of hopelessness and envy of the more affluent segments of humanity. The islands of affluence surrounded by a sea of destitution will not remain secure in their sanitized sanctums, enjoying a life of luxury and order. The frustration of the poor, hungry, and desperate masses will soon spill over into these bastions of stability, a reality more obvious today than before in the shape of illegal immigration, crime, and violence by the denizens of deprived states. According to a UN Human Development Report, 1.8 percent of the global population owns 86 percent of the overall global wealth.As per the 2013 Oxfam International Report, the richest one percent own 48 percent of the global wealth. The world is divided iniquitously into two groups. The first group comprises countries like the United States, Japan, Germany, the United Kingdom, France, Australia and Canada, which have13 percent of the world population and are appropriating 45 percent of the world’s income, based on Purchasing Power Parity, while the second group that comprises 42 percent of the world population, including countries like India, Indonesia, and even China only possess nine percent.
 
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