Taliban say 'Islamic system' only way to Afghan peace, women's rights

[gambit]

The Taliban said Sunday they remain committed to peace talks but insisted a "genuine Islamic system" in Afghanistan was the only way to end the war...

Good...We originally never cared for your 'genuine Islamic system' in the first place. Stay in the 7th century if you want. Just do not accept 21st century terrorism into Afghanistan and we will be fine with your 'genuine Islamic system'.

 

[Mentee]

they wernt sect bro!

Sir, when the succeeding regime persecuted people from yemen to Egypt based on their their loyalty with the Caliph/Imam Ali , circulated notifications to the clergy to curse Ali (hujjatullah) in every sermon until they got routed out , dishonored every single clause of the power sharing agreement initiated by Caliph/Imam Hassan what choice were the people of conscious left with then? Keep on getting killed , properties confiscated and protrayed as "terrorists"?



Noone is personality worshipping here. The touch stone is The Book of Allah ------ and it says to obey the people in charge as long as they are serving Toheed otheriwse people can opt for civil disobedience and can wage an armed struggle ONLY if the man in charge publicly disown/ban any of the five pillars of Deen------- what Ali and Hassan as Caliphs did was to establish writ of Allah swt over the state as no governor how pious he is can challenge the authority of a sitting Caliph over whatever pretext coz when Allah swt has set a standard no one can transgress That Law. And Ali did extraordinary to preserve the Islamic notion of statehood. Its the Law of Allah swt not any personality which is supreme and shias would have no objection to hold the rebels in highesteem in case the roles gets reversed - -------.



As for the Persian Arab rivalry well the seed of Prophet Ibrahim A.s was given dominion from nile to eupherates only and they werent allowed to exceed the limit and force others to give up their sovereignty etc. Correct me if iam wrong, the reason we see early muslims expeditions faced two initial defeats at qaadsiya was a reminder from Allah swt "La Iqraha fi deen" eventually the freewill prevailed and the results of Semite vs persian rivalry is in front of us. East asian muslim nations are glaring example of what and how Allah swt wished us to do Dawah .



P:S Every time you tease a persian muslim calling him majoosi makes his human ego extract the "best" of him ------- likewise calling asians as former hindus. Allah swt doesnt like pride of any sort! if He can bestow The light of Truth on us He Swt can as well take it back

 

[newb3e]

Sir, when the succeeding regime persecuted people from yemen to Egypt based on their their loyalty with the Caliph/Imam Ali , circulated notifications to the clergy to curse Ali (hujjatullah) in every sermon until they got routed out , dishonored every single clause of the power sharing agreement initiated by Caliph/Imam Hassan what choice were the people of conscious left with then? Keep on getting killed , properties confiscated and protrayed as "terrorists"?



Noone is personality worshipping here. The touch stone is The Book of Allah ------ and it says to obey the people in charge as long as they are serving Toheed otheriwse people can opt for civil disobedience and can wage an armed struggle ONLY if the man in charge publicly disown/ban any of the five pillars of Deen------- what Ali and Hassan as Caliphs did was to establish writ of Allah swt over the state as no governor how pious he is can challenge the authority of a sitting Caliph over whatever pretext coz when Allah swt has set a standard no one can transgress That Law. And Ali did extraordinary to preserve the Islamic notion of statehood. Its the Law of Allah swt not any personality which is supreme and shias would have no objection to hold the rebels in highesteem in case the roles gets reversed - -------.



As for the Persian Arab rivalry well the seed of Prophet Ibrahim A.s was given dominion from nile to eupherates only and they werent allowed to exceed the limit and force others to give up their sovereignty etc. Correct me if iam wrong, the reason we see early muslims expeditions faced two initial defeats at qaadsiya was a reminder from Allah swt "La Iqraha fi deen" eventually the freewill prevailed and the results of Semite vs persian rivalry is in front of us. East asian muslim nations are glaring example of what and how Allah swt wished us to do Dawah .



P:S Every time you tease a persian muslim calling him majoosi makes his human ego extract the "best" of him ------- likewise calling asians as former hindus. Allah swt doesnt like pride of any sort! if He can bestow The light of Truth on us He Swt can as well take it back

no caliph asked any Imam to curse Ali! thats fabrication!
anyhoo not the topic and as i said its all politics by certain sect nothing else!

no caliph asked any Imam to curse Ali! thats fabrication!
anyhoo not the topic and as i said its all politics by certain sect nothing else!

as for Imam Hassan thats Yazid became a tyrant and greedy nothing to do with Khulfa e Rashadeen!

 

[Mentee]

no caliph asked any Imam to curse Ali! thats fabrication!
anyhoo not the topic and as i said its all politics by certain sect nothing else!

I never said any preceeding caliph indulged in such character assassination it was syrian governor muawiyah and his progeny ------- . Iam not denying the present day degeneration plaguing both sides but the tag of "rebels/terrorists" got imposed on earlier muslims loyal to the Caliph/ Imam Ali . People of knowledge know that Allah swt takes His protection away from whomever associates himself with a sect as Peace is all inclusive. We may differ in school of thought but can't break away from the herd declaring all other heretics. When Imam/Caliph Ali r.a encouraged his followers to pray behind the khwarij also calling them a part of ummah which declared Ali r.a nauzubillah a kafir what gives us the right to issue fatwas upon fellow muslims?

as for Imam Hassan thats Yazid became a tyrant

yazeed laeen wasnt anywhere near the crown of damascus when Imam Hassan r.a was martyred and Karbala didnt happen in one day . the forceful taking of bayah/coronation of yazeed by his father proved to be the last nail in the coffin causing the power sharing agreemnet declared null and void coz no clause was left to be dishonered by people in power.



Islamic statehood isn't some family business where a guy can establish monorchy and shakes the very foundations of an entity meant for NAHI ANIL MUNKIR ------- Prophet Sameul pbuh almost pulled his hair out due to an extremely outrageous and downright pathetic demand of his nation when the jews due to his old age asked for a king to settle their affairs ( it was a trend back then , how come other nations have kings while we not, it so cool kinda stuff) instead of a viceroy of God

 

[Englishman]

Good...We originally never cared for your 'genuine Islamic system' in the first place. Stay in the 7th century if you want. Just do not accept 21st century terrorism into Afghanistan and we will be fine with your 'genuine Islamic system'.

All hail the great satan.

 

[Indos]

You see what you want to see in quran and they see what they want to see ..

Nope, see what I stated from first page of the thread, it is already clear. There is hadith saying our leader is a representative of how the people behave, it is basically democracy that prophet wants to say.

Even 4 early Chalips are basically selected through democracy where the first uses debate and voting while the rest trough debate and consensus.

It is after Muslim tried to solve dispute through war that makes early Chalips system are destroyed and replaced by Kingdom (Muawiyah/ Abassiyah and other after that )

Islam is clear, but people just dont want to be ruled by Quran, Just see even prophet wife, Aishah, doesnt obey it and do military action against Ali.....

 

[SecularNationalist]

here goes afghanistan back to dark ages

Well we are all against their ideology but what we can do other than supporting them. After all they are good for our national interest. At least our borders will be secure and our army boys will be safe.
Not just that there will be no India sponsored terror bases in afghanistan which affects security of whole pakistan.
Whatever they do inside afghan borders doesn't concern us ,for pakistan they are good than ANA and ghani dogs.

 

[Imran Khan]

Well we are all against their ideology but what we can do other than supporting them. After all they are good for our national interest. At least our borders will be secure and our army boys will be safe.
Not just that there will be no India sponsored terror bases in afghanistan which affects security of whole pakistan.
Whatever they do inside afghan borders doesn't concern us ,for pakistan they are good than ANA and ghani dogs.

let me remind you sir last time in 2001 after 5 years of war taliban was not controlling 100% afghanistan . what make you think ana will not have shear in future and india will not have bases on their area ?

 

[SecularNationalist]

let me remind you sir last time in 2001 after 5 years of war taliban was not controlling 100% afghanistan . what make you think ana will not have shear in future and india will not have bases on their area ?

Boy this time it's different ,they are aiming for whole afghanistan . Every inch of afghanistan. They never captured the northern parts of afghanistan before but this time they did. So no place for pro India northern alliance this time.

 

[Imran Khan]

Boy this time it's different ,they are aiming for whole afghanistan . Every inch of afghanistan. They never captured the northern parts of afghanistan before but this time they did. So no place for pro India northern alliance this time.

you are wrong here sir west and USA will give air cover and taliban will never ever be able on 100% . you think CIA will let it go easily ?

 

[jamahir]

Jamahir bhayia why does only space travel equates to well being of humans? Nature selected homosapiens to live on planet earth . Now when people are dying in numbers due to the artifically created famines across africa and asia what spending trillions to make space liveable brings to the table other than soothing human instinct of controlling and sabotaging the eco system?

Whether on earth Pluto or mars no people can escape Devine Judgment

1. About famines I agree that they are artificially created. For example currently in Yemen. Famines are an unnecessary and avoidable tragedy, especially in this day and age when we have developed techniques like Urban Farming and Vertical Farming.

2. About space travel and settlement, is it written by stars in the night-sky that humans should be limiting themselves to Earth ? What if an asteroid were to hit Earth ? Most recently in 2013 there was the asteroid which passed through Russian skies and some bits crashed into a Russian lake. Just its passage damaged many buildings and injured people because of things like breaking glass. Read about the asteroid Apophis. So, shouldn't we distribute ourselves to other worlds to ensure the continuity of the human and other animals races ? Elon Musk keeps calling for humans to be "a multi-planetary species" and I don't think that's wrong. Also space travel is currently the ultimate expression of human effort, knowledge and curiosity.

3. About sabotaging Earth's ecosystem, I would say that the one of the most polluting industries is the system of people having privately-owned personal transport ( cars and two-wheelers ). Such transport is unnecessary and if removed / abolished will immediately lead to drastic reduction of dirct and secondary pollution but also will lead to better harmonious cities with lessened crime, lessened accidents and lessened chaos.

4. About Divine Judgement, let us just all be more empathetic to the sufferings of the oppressed, whether the sufferings be as result of the traditional money system or be result of irrational traditional beliefs.

 

[SecularNationalist]

you are wrong here sir west and USA will give air cover and taliban will never ever be able on 100% . you think CIA will let it go easily ?

Are we living in the same world ? Don't you know US air cover is gone with USA and NATO departed from afghan soil. That's the reason so many districts fell to taliban. As far as so called afghan air force is concerned they can't fly for shit nor they have access to US fighter jets. They have few attack helicopters and light attack aircraft with very little trained pilots which hardly makes any difference in the battle field. CIA can't operate anymore and they don't want to because that will drag US further into the afghan night mare. This time US abandoned afghanistan completely.

 

[nang2]

Islamist sounds like new communist.

 

[Imran Khan]

Are we living in the same world ? Don't you know US air cover is gone with USA and NATO departed from afghan soil. That's the reason so many districts fell to taliban. As far as so called afghan air force is concerned they can't fly for shit nor they have access to US fighter jets. They have few attack helicopters and light attack aircraft with very little trained pilots which hardly makes any difference in the battle field. CIA can't operate anymore and they don't want to because that will drag US further into the afghan night mare. This time US abandoned afghanistan completely.

mark my words USA will maintain anyhow drones coverage over afghanistan from any side . just wait dear US forces are going not CIA . just look iraq even years after windrow they have air coverage there . i am not agree that USA will just go away . just wait and see dear .

 

[SecularNationalist]

mark my words USA will maintain anyhow drones coverage over afghanistan from any side . just wait dear US forces are going not CIA . just look iraq even years after windrow they have air coverage there . i am not agree that USA will just go away . just wait and see dear .

Unlike Iraq Afghanistan is surrounded by powerful regional and global players. China,Russia , Pakistan and Iran and Uncle Sam knows the consequences. China,Russia and Pakistan are going to recognize Taliban government and using drones against such a government means inviting a strong response from Russia and china. Chinese are definitely going to invest in afghanistan and to protect their investment they will go to any extent.
If after staying in afghanistan and spending trillions of dollars this is the result then what difference would a distant drone coverage will make. Pakistan refused to give them any base and other than pakistan no other country will allow them a drone base.