Taliban say 'Islamic system' only way to Afghan peace, women's rights

[Sharma Ji]

You had NATO gand banging themselves in the mountain tops for 20 years with no results and you think a coalition of Muslim countries is going to do any better?

Their rules of engagement really held them back. Saw tonnes of footage from back in the day where they'd just discard their firearms and walk away from firefights with a flock of small kids, much to the chagrin of the US marines, army or whatever other NATO forces were engaging them.

+with a muslim only force, not westerners/amrikis etc, that may go a big way in reaching out and winning the hearts and minds game. Perhaps NATO could have a role to play too in terms of intel close/fast air and arty etc but no direct engagement. Only an all muslim force would do the outreach and go to the villages and attend shuras with the tribal elders etc.

 

[PakFactor]

Their rules of engagement really held them back. Saw tonnes of footage from back in the day where they'd just discard their firearms and walk away from firefights with a flock of small kids, much to the chagrin of the US marines, army or whatever other NATO forces were engaging them.

+with a muslim only force, not westerners/amrikis etc, that may go a big way in reaching out and winning the hearts and minds game. Perhaps NATO could have a role to play too in terms of intel close/fast air and arty etc but no direct engagement. Only an all muslim force would do the outreach and go to the villages and attend shuras with the tribal elders etc.

Not going to happen, look at Yemen and how they’re performing the best weapons money can buy and they stuck in a dessert hole there. On top of that Talibs don’t look up to the Arabs as they’re considered sold out completely to the West and this rules them out — hell they can’t even control Israel and their making peace, Afghan is a long shot.

US & Co., engaged fully I have friends who are officers and currently serving troops. They ordered cleansing of villages of male populations of 7+ years of age, this war was no different than what the Soviets did.

 

[Sharma Ji]

Not going to happen, look at Yemen and how they’re performing the best weapons money can buy and they stuck in a dessert hole there. On top of that Talibs don’t look up to the Arabs as they’re considered sold out completely to the West and this rules them out — hell they can’t even control Israel and their making peace, Afghan is a long shot.

So apart from leaving them to their own devices, which is to say essentially to abandon Afghanistan.. there is nothing to be done ?

When I lived in Delhi I knew a few Afghan people, men and women both.. they felt pretty emancipated (never discussed politics etc much, I was pretty young then and just having fun) and seemed pretty socially liberal, very tbh.. they can probably dop much better without the Taliban lording over them.

US & Co., engaged fully I have friends who are officers and currently serving troops. They ordered cleansing of villages of male populations of 7+ years of age, this war was no different than what the Soviets did.

:o

 

[jamahir]

The Taliban said Sunday they remain committed to peace talks but insisted a "genuine Islamic system" in Afghanistan was the only way to end the war and ensure rights -- including for women.

Below is the Taliban's understanding of "genuine Islamic system" :

KABUL: The last thing 33-year-old Khatera saw were the three men on a motorcycle who attacked her just after she left her job at a police station in Afghanistan's central Ghazni province, shooting at her and stabbing her with a knife in the eyes.

Waking up in hospital, everything was dark.

"I asked the doctors, why I can't see anything? They told me that my eyes are still bandaged because of the wounds. But at that moment, I knew my eyes had been taken from me," she said.

She and local authorities blame the attack on Taliban militants - who deny involvement – and say the assailants acted on a tip-off from her father who vehemently opposed her working outside the home.

For Khatera, the attack caused not just the loss of her sight but the loss of a dream she had battled to achieve - to have an independent career. She joined the Ghazni police as an officer in its crime branch a few months ago.

"I wish I had served in police at least a year. If this had happened to me after that, it would have been less painful. It happened too soon ... I only got to work and live my dream for three months," she told Reuters.

The attack on Khatera, who only uses one name, is indicative of a growing trend, human rights activists say, of an intense and often violent backlash against women taking jobs, especially in public roles. In Khatera's case, being a police officer could have also angered the Taliban.

what the hell are you smoking??? the current ghani regime is froth with corruption and ineptitude, far FAR more than the previous karzai regime, you call that Islamic??? they are nothing more than stooges of the western powers and that is exactly why the afghan masses are against them and in favor of the Taliban. They know that these western backed regimes are just not gonna hold any fair elections, any elections that will be held will be held under the Taliban rule. that label of "western stooge" is damn near impossible to remove which is why there is no trust being the current regime and the people or the Taliban that the people support.

1. NATO is leaving Afghanistan knowing fully that the Taliban will either form the next government fully or will be a major part of a coalition government.

2. The Taliban was partly a creation of Western governments.

3. NATO is not leaving Afghanistan with the space open for some progressive movement to achieve governance. There is one such progressive, left-wing movement called Solidarity Party of Afghanistan. NATO will never allow this movement to come to power. Where ever there is a progressive Muslim-majority country there NATO will arrive, destabilize and arrange for the regressives from that country to come to power. This happened in Afghanistan in the 1980s.

4. You personally should not be in a hurry to support the Taliban.

You had NATO gand banging themselves in the mountain tops for 20 years with no results and you think a coalition of Muslim countries is going to do any better?

NATO was fighting the Taliban in a half-hearted manner. Please see point# 1 above.

 

[Tariq Habib Afridi]

LOL if they are so popular so they will not be afraid with democracy which is actually another form of syura that is endorsed in Quran as a way to solve differences in any government.

LOL Why do you say I am against Islam ??? There is nothing wrong with Islam version of current Afghanistan government, I think it is even closer to actual Islam.

Why do we have to keep doing war over small thing like imposing Burqa to women and others while Islam itself doesnt said so

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By the way i agree with you on other points that they must show flexibility and killing a muslim is the greatest sin after shirk that will lead a person into hell..

However, my dear brother, you have mis-understood this specific verse of quran. they say let there be no compulsion in religion not in islam. means everyone has a choice which ever religion they want to choose but once you choose islam. then it means you have to abide on all that islam has been saying in quran and in sahih hadees. a muslim cannot say that i am muslim but i wont pay the zakat. i hope you understand now

 

[S.Y.A]

democracy which is actually another form of syura

while I agree that the Taliban need to compromise, I would also like to point out that democracy is not Shura. Shura can only advice the head of the state, it has no actual power whatsoever. in democracy, the public or parliament holds power.

 

[Indos]

By the way i agree with you on other points that they must show flexibility and killing a muslim is the greatest sin after shirk that will lead a person into hell..

However, my dear brother, you have mis-understood this specific verse of quran. they say let there be no compulsion in religion not in islam. means everyone has a choice which ever religion they want to choose but once you choose islam. then it means you have to abide on all that islam has been saying in quran and in sahih hadees. a muslim cannot say that i am muslim but i wont pay the zakat. i hope you understand now

Of course we have to abide what God ordered as much as we can, but that verse clearly stated no one can intervene in private thing.

So do you want to be catch and sentenced to prison if you dont do Fajr prayer ? Similar like many Islamic country force women to wear hijab ?

This will create Syriks and people will do pray and wear hijab for Government, not for God

It is clear that base on Quran, what Government can intervene is in the areas where other person can become a victim like if you killed other person, then Government must catch you and killed you as punishment ( if the family dont forgive you )

while I agree that the Taliban need to compromise, I would also like to point out that democracy is not Shura. Shura can only advice the head of the state, it has no actual power whatsoever. in democracy, the public or parliament holds power.

You need to read Islamic story and learn why Abu Bakr can become Caliph, it was a democratic process that make him a Caliph and there is debate and votings as well.

Dont see Islam in the lense of Umayyah or Abassiyah period, they are practically a kingdom

 

[Tariq Habib Afridi]

Of course we have to abide what God ordered as much as we can, but that verse clearly stated no one can intervene in private thing.

So do you want to be catch and sentenced to prison if you dont do Fajr prayer ? Similar like many Islamic country force women to wear hijab ?

This will create Syriks and people will do pray and wear hijab for Government, not for God

It is clear that base on Quran, what Government can intervene is in the areas where other person can become a victim like if you killed other person, then Government must catch you and killed you as punishment ( if the family dont forgive you )


You need to read Islamic story and learn why Abu Bakr can become Caliph, it was a democratic process that make him a Caliph and there is debate and votings as well.

Dont see Islam in the lense of Umayyah or Abassiyah period, they are practically a kingdom

Again I totally agree with you but i respectfully differ on this lines "but that verse clearly stated no one can intervene in private thing."
this verse only say that you can not forcefully convert one to your religion.and nothing such that you have mentioned.

However i also agree you cannot for women to wear burqas and hijaab etc.. and the rest of the things like fajr prayer etc. This is no government responsibility but i will also mention here one hadees where parents can make their child pray after 14 years.

 

[Indos]

Again I totally agree with you but i respectfully differ on this lines "but that verse clearly stated no one can intervene in private thing."
this verse only say that you can not forcefully convert one to your religion.and nothing such that you have mentioned.

However i also agree you cannot for women to wear burqas and hijaab etc.. and the rest of the things like fajr prayer etc. This is no government responsibility but i will also mention here one hadees where parents can make their child pray after 14 years.

Yup, about child of course it can, since it is part of their responsibility and education, but when the child has been grown up, our parent dont have any right to force us to do prayer

This I think many Muslim still dont see very critical part of our Iman which is to avoid any thing that can make them another God beside Allah.

We should look on our feeling and see whether we really do this for Allah or for another person...

 

[Falconless]

That's not fact. China never trained Taliban. Don't mix Taliban with guerrillas during Soviet Union occupation.

The Taliban appeared out of thin air.

 

[striver44]

Hey @waz @The Eagle @LeGenD what happened to banning religious discussion?

 

[313ghazi]

Stubborn people and dont want to make any compromize, why dont let people to decide instead of keep trying to solve differences through war which is against many verses in Quran

Killing one Muslim will be punished with hell, while making compromize is endorsed in Quran, this Taliban is the one who dont understand Quran

When you win the war, you set the rules. Most of Afghanistan is as uneducated and backwards as the Taliban, democracy is a waste of time in countries like theirs.

 

[Kingslayerr]

Soon people in ex FATA KPK will also ask for it and eventually people in punjab and rest of the country will want it when they see quick and easy justice in neighborhood.
When you have an incabable system the judiciary sellouts exonerating and saving their own kin like qazi faez are just the cherry on cake , things look murky ahead.

There was a time when this type of system was being placed by the TTP in kpk areas, didn't worked out well for them. There should be no talibinazation in Pakistan, its a menace a curse and not a way of life.
Its high time Pakistan should start searching for ways to eliminate dependence on afghanistan for import export and routs. Find new ways to reach central asia close the border completely with afghanistan and start to shify people living on the border to mainland to reduce their extremism. We should have no connection with afghanistan for our own safety.

 

[Muhammed45]

Taliban is a reality of Afghanistan. Period, inside every group there are American paid elements, collaborating their terrorism with US government and CIA. Bin Ladin the Saudi paid agent was an American stooge hence Taliban and Afghanistan in deep trouble, above all, misguided to say the least. Some might find it weird, don't forget that Satanic USA has no allies but disposable agents with an specific expiry date.
On the other hand Americans always tried to portray the anti-occupation forces of Afghanistan as terrorists. In this context, all the terror elements inside the country are led by USA and American media campaign introduces resisting elements pf Taliban as terrorists.
The Talibs that are fighting against ISIS and NATO invasion are supported by Iran as we witnessed in the past, general Soleimani was in close contact with their leaders.
They need to just remove Saudi paid elements from their ranks and work for their country/people, their freedom and welfare.

 

[Cthulhu]

The Taliban said Sunday they remain committed to peace talks but insisted a "genuine Islamic system" in Afghanistan was the only way to end the war and ensure rights -- including for women.

© Alexander Zemlianichenko Taliban co-founder Mullah Abdul Ghani Baradar (C) has said the group remains committed to peace talks but that a 'genuine Islamic system' is the only way to end the war
Talks between the militants and the Afghan government have been deadlocked for months and violence has surged across the country since May when the US military began its final withdrawal.

I'm rally looking forward to see Erdogan putting Turk troops on the ground in Afghanistan.