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Just a remainder that we should not forget these people were the ones who considered terrorists as literally "upset brothers." They may have changed their policy due to massive pressure from public. Like the lal masjid mulana who had to change his stance.
 
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There are two aspects to this :

One, it's been quite a while since the 1980s, but back then, everyone supported the Taliban, even America. Heck, especially America. When Pakistan decided to be on the US's side, the Taliban became a key aspect - which meant that many Pakistani people ended up learning to love the Taliban since childhood. For some, it might be hard to accept the reality that the brave Islamic warriors they used to hear about turned out to be nothing more than cold-blooded lying murderers.

Secondly, many of the Taliban fighters undoubtedly did start off as 'upset brothers'. Whatever brainwash they went through later is another matter entirely, but the point here is that we didn't do anything to prevent a massive influx of recruits for such militant organizations. We left too many brothers upset, resulting in them turning against us - similar to what happened with Bangladesh, but on a much smaller scale.

This is not meant to try to justify the aforementioned politicians' (NS, IK etc) stances, but rather to give some perspective as to how and why they try to justify their stances. Or rather, why they decided to adopt those stances in the first place.

Now, if this incident was what was needed to wake these people up, then so be it as long as they remain sincere with their new approaches - unlike Mullah Burka who changed his statement on one front but continues to spread the same extremism on the other. His mosque is still the epicenter of extremism and people from his Jamia Hafsa are the most prominent ISIS supporters in Pakistan. That needs to be taken care of, his 'changing his policy' means nothing.
 
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Watch from 9:50



Just a remainder that we should not forget these people were the ones who considered terrorists as literally "upset brothers." They may have changed their policy due to massive pressure from public. Like the lal masjid mulana who had to change his stance.
Imran is no apologist and he still stand by his views you are not read to address the reason why TTP was born and you think you can win war only proof that Imran was right and still is.
 
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Imran is no apologist and he still stand by his views you are not read to address the reason why TTP was born and you think you can win war only proof that Imran was right and still is.
His point was "talks talks talks." Even after the killing of 150 people, you still prefer talks? Did you happen to watch the video?
 
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I'd rather comb my dog for an hr than having to listen to this moron.
Too bad that not many people think the way like you do. Which is, actually, a very good thing.

And FYI, here is the most "moronic" thing. The video, starting 9:50, offers direct video clips of Nawaz, Shahbaz and Imran khan. This is what you've refused to watch just because the title of show is "Najam Sethi/Geo."

Unless of course you were calling Imran Khan a moron, who you refused to listen.
 
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Sethi represents one of the more sane voice on TV.

99% of his analysis is on point. I saw this show live and it really opens your eyes that all of these politicians are true chameleons.

Unfortunately, speaking the truth gets you killed or imprisoned in Pakistan or labeled as a foreign agent. Our country really is in a sad state right now.
 
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Imran khan is a snake.... This guy is doing this for his own potential. Even if you look at his Facebook page he is playing Politics over Peshawar.. Disgusting act by Imran Khan the snake. These guys should be locked up in prison
 
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Imran khan is a snake.... This guy is doing this for his own potential. Even if you look at his Facebook page he is playing Politics over Peshawar.. Disgusting act by Imran Khan the snake. These guys should be locked up in prison
Most Pakistanis prefer to be in prison themselves than to have their cults leaders behind jail. Be in "jiyalas," "patwaris," or the so called "insaafiyans." We follow one leader and become sheeps, refusing to acknowledge good or bad. And many of these ignorance admiring people live with the "confirmation bias."


Confirmation bias is, they refuse to watch or listen what they don't want to believe in. If Imran tomorrow said "I was wrong, I'm a criminal" people will refuse to listen to it, because it doesn't fit their beliefs about the person, even though it fits the "general" opinion. To be clear, if Imran says on TV that we shouldn't fight them, people will refuse to listen to that conversation. But their general opinion is, we should fight them.
 
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Rented TTP are scared of PA's wrath & so they have decided to play dirty games. Corrupt & incompetent politicians, rented HR activists, foreign rented NGO's, corrupt courts are big obstacle in PA's way.
 
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Most Pakistanis prefer to be in prison themselves than to have their cults leaders behind jail. Be in "jiyalas," "patwaris," or the so called "insaafiyans." We follow one leader and become sheeps, refusing to acknowledge good or bad. And many of these ignorance admiring people live with the "confirmation bias."


Confirmation bias is, they refuse to watch or listen what they don't want to believe in. If Imran tomorrow said "I was wrong, I'm a criminal" people will refuse to listen to it, because it doesn't fit their beliefs about the person, even though it fits the "general" opinion. To be clear, if Imran says on TV that we shouldn't fight them, people will refuse to listen to that conversation. But their general opinion is, we should fight them.

Confirmation bias is only looking at things that fit in your pre conceived view, but I get what you mean exactly.
 
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His point was "talks talks talks." Even after the killing of 150 people, you still prefer talks? Did you happen to watch the video?
Well eventually you will talk because you can end TTP but the problem is not going any where Mr until you address the issues which gave birth to groups like TTP and ISIS.
1: Implementation of Shariat by state
2 : Kashmir and Palestine issue solved if not through talks in next 2 to 3 years than by war and there state doing Jihad by their Armed Forces not proxies.
3 : We need to stop being puppets of USA and NATO and west and stop trying to please them.

I'd rather comb my dog for an hr than having to listen to this moron.
Which moron are you talking about ?
 
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1: Implementation of Shariat by state
Do you mean proper Sharia, as implemented by the four caliphs? Or do you mean Burkas along with drug-trade, sex slavery, mass rape and general injustice that was 'implemented' by the Taliban during their time in Afghanistan? Because the former won't appease the Taliban. They don't want Shariat. They want to have power and tyranny.
Kashmir and Palestine issue solved if not through talks in next 2 to 3 years than by war and there state doing Jihad by their Armed Forces not proxies.
This I agree with to some extent but
a) Palestine has nothing to do with us. Sure, they're Muslims, but why don't the fat Arab sheiks or the rest of the 50 Muslim countries deal with it? Don't we have enough problems already?
b) 'Jihad' means struggle. The word you're looking for is 'Qital', which means fighting. And if there is to be a conflict, we're better off keeping our religion away from it and keeping it geopolitical.
We need to stop being puppets of USA and NATO and west and stop trying to please them.
Until Pakistan becomes economically and politically stable, we have no choice but to keep good relations with one of the 'blocs', either the US/NATO or China+Russia. But Russia has India attached, so its a tough choice. And any change in alignment needs to be gradual, we can't suddenly declare war on NATO. It doesn't work that way.

All the 'solutions' you've given here are either entirely unfeasible or require stability to achieve. For stability we need to get rid of terrorism, so looks like a catch-22 situation. But it shouldn't be. There are many, many ways to destroy terrorism. First and foremost, their backbone, the recruit base. Destroy their lies about wanting Sharia (also propagated by you - please do correct that), destroy their takfir (by using Islamic texts etc) and destroy their false beliefs about Jihad by using mosques, maddrassas, school and colleges to educate people.

The terrorists already shiver and plead when they're about to be hanged - they know that their ideology is bullsh!t. We just need to make sure everyone else knows it too.

After that, they can be easily mopped up by military operations, surgical strikes and law enforcement. But the state will need to pay long term attention to regulating education ; especially religious, and to providing facilities to the people of FATA and the tribal agencies in order to avoid them falling into the traps laid by militant groups.
 
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