Taliban again Uproot Infrastructure at Pak Afghan Border

[Genghis khan1]

We can't handle the whole of Afghanistan and there would be too many anti-state elements for it to be feasible, after a while it would turn into a civil war.

#1 is the only option as of now, but it could be done in a more smarter approach.

Any aid given to Afghanistan, whether that be monetary aid, food aid, or freeing up their foreign reserves should be on the grounds that they respect international borders, including the Durrand line. And if anyone is caught trespassing or damaging sovereign property we reserve the right to use lethal force against them.

Everything is doable as long as their is will to do it. Merging area is their demand. Just do it, Use Frontier force, Pashtun tribesmen/ militias and ideological brain washing.

 

[Pandora]

Does the media ever show on domestic news channels the things Taliban do on the borders? I've seen on social media people generally realising that the Afghans don't like Pakistanis, but they need to be made aware that the Taliban don't either

Military Establishment has a strict control over media. No way they will allow their strategic investment sinking to be shown on media otherwise there will be backlash. Tribal areas rarely get any news coverage.

 

[FuturePAF]

We can't handle the whole of Afghanistan and there would be too many anti-state elements for it to be feasible, after a while it would turn into a civil war.

#1 is the only option as of now, but it could be done in a more smarter approach.

Any aid given to Afghanistan, whether that be monetary aid, food aid, or freeing up their foreign reserves should be on the grounds that they respect international borders, including the Durrand line. And if anyone is caught trespassing or damaging sovereign property we reserve the right to use lethal force against them.

Aid should be distributed through these checkpoints. Each parcel of aid, from where ever it came, should be stamped with “Brought to you with the Assistance of Pakistan” or some thing similar.

If each of these Small posts along the border get sized up into towns with medical NGOs and food distribution networks it can re-write the narrative for what this border and its posts are all about; a humanitarian life line to Afghanistan. The aid infrastructure built now, can be an enduring anchor for these posts along the border. Hospitals, food storage facilities, trading facilities/markets.

The tribes on the other side of the border will have to work with the posts (even if begrudgingly) on our side to receive aid or trade through the border or get medical help. Instead of 4-5 points of crossing, if the number of crossings or aid distribution points was in the dozens; but build up in this manner, the people on the other side would have to accept these points as part of their lives. It will also end the excuse that families are being divided if these dozens of crossings are places Afghan roads come up to the border or could be built up to the border and linked with Pakistani roads.

If there is Fasad in the sectors near any post, that crossing point could be shut down, on security grounds for days or more, to send a message.

Having said All this, I trust the matter will be handled diplomatically, but this is a way to deal with two problems at once, speeding up distribution of international aid to try to prevent the on going humanitarian disaster in Afghanistan from getting worse and by changing the perception of the border into a “border of peace”.

 

[TheSolution]

Aid should be distributed through these checkpoints. Each parcel of aid, from where ever it came, should be stamped with “Brought to you with the Assistance of Pakistan” or some thing similar.

If each of these Small posts along the border get sized up into towns with medical NGOs and food distribution networks it can re-write the narrative for what this border and its posts are all about; a humanitarian life line to Afghanistan. The aid infrastructure built now, can be an enduring anchor for these posts along the border. Hospitals, food storage facilities, trading facilities/markets.

The tribes on the other side of the border will have to work with the posts (even if begrudgingly) on our side to receive aid or trade through the border or get medical help. Instead of 4-5 points of crossing, if the number of crossings or aid distribution points was in the dozens; but build up in this manner, the people on the other side would have to accept these points as part of their lives. It will also end the excuse that families are being divided if these dozens of crossings are places Afghan roads come up to the border or could be built up to the border and linked with Pakistani roads.

If there is Fasad in the sectors near any post, that crossing point could be shut down, on security grounds for days or more, to send a message.

Having said All this, I trust the matter will be handled diplomatically, but this is a way to deal with two problems at once, speeding up distribution of international aid to try to prevent the on going humanitarian disaster in Afghanistan from getting worse and by changing the perception of the border into a “border of peace”.

Sounds good if you can control the criminal activities from those checkpoints, they should be high security. But I think cross border travel should be kept minimal between civilians or be heavily controlled.

 

[Genghis khan1]

I trust the matter will be handled diplomatically

It’s a wild-west, most Pakistanis aren’t connected to reality on ground. They will take aid, spit on you and claim you owe them that aid because it’s foreign funding and you are using their (tribal) land.

What Pakistan need is take over Afghan land and their narrative / will to fight. That simply put only Pakistan can do by using Pashtuns (muslim) in invading force. (Kinda last Russian invasion of Ukraine, if Talib 2.0 filed to secure borders )

 

[FuturePAF]

It’s a wild-west, most Pakistanis aren’t connected to reality on ground. They will take aid, spit on you and claim you owe them that aid because it’s foreign funding and you are using their (tribal) land.

What Pakistan need is take over Afghan land and their narrative / will to fight. That simply put only Pakistan can do by using Pashtuns (muslim) in invading force. (Kinda last Russian invasion of Ukraine, if Talib 2.0 filed to secure borders )

It’s highly likely that how it will start. It will have to be a multigenerational undertaking and will be dependent on how our locals who live on our side feel, but with time, if they continue to act the same way they will alienate all their other neighbors and will have to resolve things diplomatically.

But stopping smuggling and unrestricted human traffic as much as possible has to be done. Multiple points allow a more nuanced approach to each and every tribe along the border. Hostile tribes can have the border closed and more receptive tribes can enjoy the trade and movement rather then going all the way to another province to cross at the big 4-5 crossing points.

 

[Rollno21]

Pakistan's 'strategy' of strategic depth has been flawed right from the start. Afghanistan will never be Pakistan's strategic depth. Wait for a few more months. Everyone laughing at how the Americans 'fled' Afghanistan leaving all their weapons, will now realise what the Americans have done. Of course, self fellatio of how 2 super powers were defeated by Pakistan will be the story line as always.

In reality, Pakistan is the Talibanised Aghanistan's strategic depth.

Now, waiting for my ban

When the USA withdrew from Afghanistan, 99% of the Pakistanis on PDF were making claims on how India was thrown out of Afghanistan by pakistani pets taliban and how taliban will help them in Kashmir. I had told them then and I am telling again ,taliban will have a better reason to fight Pakistan then they fighting in Kashmir.

That is a major misconception. Their command structure is very organised so much so that they coordinated their attacks on all provinces after US withdrawl. Dont forget how swiftly they took control of Afghanistan within a week. There is no Top and Lower leadership divide here as even at top level Taliban didnt deny that they were doing this on their own. They just said they will solve it via diplomatic channels.

We need to finish this fence otherwise these Talibs will make Pakistan Aba G ka ghar.

You are missing the point ,the problem is not about completing the fence, it's about taliban uprooting the already fenced part.

 

[The Eagle]

DGISPR categorically mentioned that there are old videos being circulated again & again to undermine Pakistan-Afghanistan relations & malign the International Border. Thread closed accordingly. No more propaganda videos. IEA has already banned use of camera on Border and issued instructions to take action against people involved in attempt to dismantle Border Fence.

Regards,