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Taiwan's UMC admits to stealing trade secrets for Chinese company

If it means closing the technology gap with the West in the fastest time possible, I have no problem with it. In the end, China will be self sufficient in the technology and others won’t be able to deny China that technology.

White man didn’t get strong because of morals. They used colonialism to steal land from natives and used slavery to develop their economies. Free resources and free labour.

China should do this in more areas such as semiconductor equipment like EUV lithography. Reverse engineer and produce for the domestic market.

LOL! I suppose the white man relied on stealing from space aliens to finally advance from a history of being simple farmers.

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We have a Monolith.
 
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Why not say Taiwanese are thieves? Instead the Chinese are being blamed? Did they not say they support Taiwan? Or are they admitting Taiwanese is Chinese, Taiwan belongs to China ?
 
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The US has the largest economy in the world, with the most advanced science and technological base, with the greatest universities and companies in the world.

China is second rate Beidou. The fact China has to steal so much in American know how just solidifies that. China doesnt have the innovative minds to match the US. China will always be playing catch up.

Just like how SpaceX is the first mover in reusable rockets and sending humans to Mars.

And how Tesla is the first mover in EVs and FSD, and scaling up to replace ICE vehicles. China has been left behind again and you dont even realize it. And here you are yapping about worthless statistics.
Thats why China is constantly eating our dust. You dont know how to dream big and execute your vision.
SURE, most advanced SUPA POWA USA needed a Chinese to help them build the first BOEING aircraft.

The Chinese Birdman Who Got U.S. Aircraft Giant Boeing Flying
Sep 24, 2015

It isn't well known outside aviation circles that the first engineer at U.S. aircraft maker Boeing almost a century ago was a man from China, Wong Tsu – and his story is one that doesn’t sound possible in the current era of distrust between the two nations.
Mr. Wong’s hiring by Boeing produced almost immediate results.
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Nobel Prize "architect of the atomic bomb" Enrico Fermi also needed a Chinese to help him.

March 1, 2017
Chien-Shiung Wu Is the Manhattan Project Physicist Who Succeeded Where Fermi Failed
Wu actually made a breakthrough where Fermi himself had struggled—she developed a way to enrich uranium ore that helped create large quantities of fuel for the atomic bomb.
That wasn't the last time she gave Fermi a helping hand. She also was responsible for the first confirmation of his theory of beta decay, where a neutron or proton changes into the other and creates a different element.
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China now have the financial means to do their own R&D development and no need to send their talented people to help the US.
The US should compete fairly instead of resorting to slander and underhand tactics.

The US cannot even handle a virus.
What a JOKE, haha, self nominated best in handling a pandemic, LMAO.

Lets see the technological outcome in 10 years time.

All the progress in the West made possible with the RICHES From Plundering Stolen Lands and EXPLOITING LABOR of SLAVES.
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It's already too late!!! Whatever technologies TSMC/UMC possess they're in the Chinese hands....

These companies are the third party manufacturers of ICs, so they've all the process technologies. Now, the fabless US/European/Jap/Korean etc. companies send their IC designs to get them manufactured there. If some special tweaks in the process technologies are required it's also delivered to them...

In addition, the top IC manufacturing equipment from around the world are staffed there....

Bottom-line: China has the capability to produce almost all sorts of ICs if she wants....
 
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Are these people from the mainland China ?
I don't understand. Although Taiwan is a part of China, isn't it true that the Taiwanese are the thieves in this story? Chinese companies are just buying the technology that the Taiwanese "steal" .

In a business transaction, is the customer still responsible for verifying the origin of the product?

I don't think there is any need to discuss American hypocrisy.Few countries protected the Nazis for the sake of technology.No other country has preached free trade for 70 years and then interfered with free trade by mean means like the US.The first three sanctions target even American Allies.
Why not say Taiwanese are thieves? Instead the Chinese are being blamed? Did they not say they support Taiwan? Or are they admitting Taiwanese is Chinese, Taiwan belongs to China ?

Hello !:wave: Am I the only one of the few that noticed that it is not mainland Chinese that are doing the stealing ?
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West doesn’t operate on morals. They are ruthless in their desire for money and power. Unless we are equally ruthless, we can never beat them.

Where were the morals when they invaded and slaughtered millions of people in foreign lands for 500 years and used the natural resources of those lands without paying a cent. To make it worse, they used the labour of the native people for free (slavery).

China must become self-sufficient in technology by using all means necessary. We see what happens in the current tech war when China is dependent on others for technology.

In fact, Western practicality during its colonial and imperial stages of development (specifically British and US) has become major theories that came to be called geopolitics.

Our Indian friend should study the Roosevelt Corollary (to the Monroe Doctrine) to see how practical national interests are legitimated through rhetoric.

Those developing countries need to study and learn how to wrap practical interests in moral rhetoric.

Roosevelt was perfectly legitimating and turning those ideas into cornerstones of US foreign policy, expanding Monroe's imperialism in Latin America to the rest of the world, including East Asia, through perfect rhetoric and discourse.

Now, the few free-minded nation states, led by China, also need to develop such hardened mindset, and develop such discourses. Otherwise, as our naive Indian friend finds it unacceptable, some will continue to mistake others' interests for their own.

I believe all the learned and analytical brains on both sides (West and non-West rising states) know the game played here. The likes of Pompeo can feign ignorant of such reality, but, his own pretension of ignorance of the reality of Western dominance is in itself a game, a trick.

Fortunately for us, we have smart people, geopolitcians and scholars, who will see deeply the nature of international politics, of Western colonialism and imperialism, and the persisting dependencies. This way, pseudo moral lecturing of the likes of Pompeo will create an adverse outcome and will propel us to be more acute in playing the game as it has been played historically.

US elites can comfortably assume all 23 million people on the island of Taiwan as potential collaborators with Mainland. This should keep bugging them all the way.
 
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As a engineer who has inspected equipment in China , i can say confidently say that Chinese make sh.t quality. Our company bought equipment from them because even including 20 % extra spares , they were cheaper.
But all the critical items like electronics, hydraulics, bearings, etc , were 100 % sourced from MNCs.
The chinese orange train just inaugurated in Lahore has the operator controls built by alstom-france. Even the Pakistanis are fully aware of Chinese quality .

lmao I know the caliber of Indian "engineers". Every Chinese knows that if an Indian claims to have a PhD, treat them like a bachelors holder until they prove otherwise. If they claim a masters, treat them like a high school graduate until they prove otherwise.

there's a reason why India does not even have a single commercial semiconductor foundry and your most advanced R&D foundry is 1980's level using 200 mm wafers.
 
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UMC was probably threatened that if they don’t plead guilty they will be denied access to US technology. This is a common tactic used by the DOJ.

Besides what is the trade secret anyway.


Patented technology?

The secret is in the patent office.


Financial report for a public company?

It's owned by the public.
 
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Besides what is the trade secret anyway.


In an indictment unsealed Thursday, the DOJ accused China’s Fujian Jinhua Integrated Circuit, Taiwan’s United Microelectronics Corporation, and employees including Jinhua’s president, of economic espionage—of stealing proprietary technology from US-based Micron Technology to make dynamic random access memory chips,

Jinhua, says the indictment, acquired the processes to build a range of chips, including those that use Micron’s “1x-nm” technology. Over the past year, Micron management has been touting that advance as a major piece of its business.

Until Jinhua started cranking them out, China didn’t have the technology to make tiny-featured DRAM, even though factories there make and assemble a wide swath of the planet’s gadgetry. But China’s government had tabbed developing the capacity as a priority in its most recent Five-Year Plan

UMC employees Ho Chien-ting (何建廷), Wang Yong-ming (王永銘) and Rong Le-tien (戎樂天) were found guilty of breaching the Trade Secrets Act (營業秘密法) by leaking sensitive information to Hsinchu-based UMC after leaving Micron, the ruling said.
 
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I thought the haters here were cheering for Taiwan when US are selling weaponry to our Taiwanese friends. Now just to find out that many of them are stealing US tech just to help Mainland? Shouldn't the idiots here projecting their anger at the Taiwanese?
 
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If it means closing the technology gap with the West in the fastest time possible, I have no problem with it. In the end, China will be self sufficient in the technology and others won’t be able to deny China that technology.

White man didn’t get strong because of morals. They used colonialism to steal land from natives and used slavery to develop their economies. Free resources and free labour.

China should do this in more areas such as semiconductor equipment like EUV lithography. Reverse engineer and produce for the domestic market.

Chinese companies can hire those engineers. As long as the career market is open to the foreign engineers, a lot of talents will come to China.
 
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This thread is about China vs USA... But I see the eunuchs (indians) are laughing at someone who does not have a 10 inch dick...LMAO....

Indians laughing at China for not being as technologically advanced as the USA is the equivalent of a street begger laughing at a multi-millionaire because he’s not a multi-billionaire yet.
 
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UMC was probably threatened that if they don’t plead guilty they will be denied access to US technology. This is a common tactic used by the DOJ.

More likely than not,
it was TRUMPed up charges created from thin air by Muricans to smear China .

And Taiwanese got arm twisted to go along to frame China in a crime that never happened but in the script
provided by Pompeo and gang.
lmao I know the caliber of Indian "engineers". Every Chinese knows that if an Indian claims to have a PhD, treat them like a bachelors holder until they prove otherwise. If they claim a masters, treat them like a high school graduate until they prove otherwise.

there's a reason why India does not even have a single commercial semiconductor foundry and your most advanced R&D foundry is 1980's level using 200 mm wafers.


Indian engineers and scientists and self styled experts all came from this type of skool :enjoy:

With Indian graduates from skools like below? :rofl: :rofl::rofl:


This is India! :enjoy: :enjoy: :enjoy:



:rofl: :rofl::rofl:

India filled with graduates from Indian skools like below

And India army got those graduates from Indian skools

Indian engineers and scientists and administrators and planners! :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:


No wonder India cannot even make bullets and must buy from Russia and overseas.:rofl::enjoy::pleasantry:
And the artillery that India designed tend to explode and kill more Indians than anybody else.:rofl:




Relatives scale buildings to help Indian students cheat on exams - video
Students in Hajipur, north-eastern India, were given a helping hand from friends and family as they sat state exams on Thursday.





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