Taiwan's UMC admits to stealing trade secrets for Chinese company

[F-22Raptor]

Stealing from your enemies to catch up before you overtake them is a vital part of strengthening your nation so thank you

It’s great to see that Chinese openly accept to being frauds. That’s progress

 

[Beidou2020]

Stealing others know how is an admission of backwardness.

Comprehensive national power is all that matters. Economic power, technological power, military power, financial power.

How you acquire that power is absolutely irrelevant. What matters is getting that power as quickly as possible using any means necessary.

 

[Dark1]

It’s great to see that Chinese openly accept to being frauds. That’s progress

Yup . The first of 5 steps to innovation.
What the gents here dont realize is how much effort and money goes into making something new. And the money plowed into the product is never recovered if a common thief steals the design and is able to manufacture cheaply, since the thief had no R&d expenses.
Its the death of innovation. At a low scale it can be ignored but the industrial scale at which china steals , will lead to a disastrous fall in R&d spending.

 

[F-22Raptor]

Yup . The first of 5 steps to innovation.
What the gents here dont realize is how much effort and money goes into making something new. And the money plowed into the product is never recovered if a common thief steals the design and is able to manufacture cheaply, since the thief had no R&d expenses.
Its the death of innovation. At a low scale it can be ignored but the industrial scale at which china steals , will lead to a disastrous fall in R&d spending.

The Chinese are very good at making incremental improvements off others ideas. But awful at making new innovative products that revolutionize industries.

Chinese overall aren’t as innovative/creative as Americans. That’s from science/tech all the way to entertainment. That last century has proven that.

Comprehensive national power is all that matters. Economic power, technological power, military power, financial power.

How you acquire that power is absolutely irrelevant. What matters is getting that power as quickly as possible using any means necessary.

It’s absolutely relevant. It proves that your second rate and have to rely on others ideas to advance.

China will never beat the United States because the American people are more innovative/creative than Chinese. Apparently the CCP agrees with me.

 

[Dark1]

The Chinese are very good at making incremental improvements off others ideas. But awful at making new innovative products that revolutionize industries.

Chinese overall aren’t as innovative/creative as Americans. That’s from science/tech all the way to entertainment. That last century has proven that.

As a engineer who has inspected equipment in China , i can say confidently say that Chinese make sh.t quality. Our company bought equipment from them because even including 20 % extra spares , they were cheaper.
But all the critical items like electronics, hydraulics, bearings, etc , were 100 % sourced from MNCs.
The chinese orange train just inaugurated in Lahore has the operator controls built by alstom-france. Even the Pakistanis are fully aware of Chinese quality .

 

[Beidou2020]

It’s absolutely relevant. It proves that your second rate and have to rely on others ideas to advance.

China will never beat the United States because the American people are more innovative/creative than Chinese. Apparently the CCP agrees with me.

China has nearly closed the money gap with the 2nd largest economy. Chinese consumer market is now the 2nd largest and very close to being the largest and in many sectors it is already the largest consumer market.

Next step is to close the technology gap. Most important strategic sectors is in semiconductor equipment like DUV and EUV lithography, certain software, jet engines.

Financial markets are now opening up and already Chinese stock market is the 2nd largest and bond market is the 2nd largest. After that is increasing yuan usage in payment transactions. This will be achieved using digital yuan and CIPS.

At the minimum, China will catch up to the most advanced technology in every sector and out produce everyone using the money advantage to get numerical superiority.

Money + Technology is a powerful combination.

 

[rott]

@Beidou2020 don't interrupt your enemy if they're making a mistake. Let them Indians injoy another couple of centuries of slavery and colonization.
This is the last of my post in this thread.

 

[Dark1]

@Beidou2020 don't interrupt your enemy if they're making a mistake. Let them Indians injoy another couple of centuries of slavery and colonization.
This is the last of my post in this thread.

Wise decision. You are on a weak wicket and smart enough to realize it.

 

[rott]

Wise decision. You are on a weak wicket and smart enough to realize it.

What's a f**king wicket. Anyways, I wish Indians well. Don't quote me on this thread again.

 

[F-22Raptor]

China has nearly closed the money gap with the 2nd largest economy. Chinese consumer market is now the 2nd largest and very close to being the largest and in many sectors it is already the largest consumer market.

Next step is to close the technology gap. Most important strategic sectors is in semiconductor equipment like DUV and EUV lithography, certain software, jet engines.

Financial markets are now opening up and already Chinese stock market is the 2nd largest and bond market is the 2nd largest. After that is increasing yuan usage in payment transactions. This will be achieved using digital yuan and CIPS.

At the minimum, China will catch up to the most advanced technology in every sector and out produce everyone using the money advantage to get numerical superiority.

Money + Technology is a powerful combination.

China’s behind in a lot more sectors than those you listed. Vast majority of space technology, reusable rockets, practically everything SpaceX is doing. Electric vehicles and autonomy that Tesla owns and whose moat is only growing. All of AI outside of facial recognition software and natural language processing. Quantum computing. The cloud....

Practically every technology that matters the US is ahead.

 

[Dark1]

China’s behind in a lot more sectors than those you listed. Vast majority of space technology, reusable rockets, practically everything SpaceX is doing. Electric vehicles and autonomy that Tesla owns and whose moat is only growing. All of AI outside of facial recognition software and natural language processing. Quantum computing. The cloud....

Practically every technology that matters the US is ahead.

Makes me laugh when Chinese talk about competing with the Americans in space technology.
Americans had a man on the moon in the 60s, 50 years back.
While the Chinese are using Russian copied rockets in 2020.
The Russians are the true pioneers in space along with the Americans.
Then come the Europeans and the Japanese.
China is nowhere in the run. They should be humble about where they stand not grandstand. Its embarrassing for all space enthusiasts.

What's a f**king wicket. Anyways, I wish Indians well. Don't quote me on this thread again.

Ok. Best wishes.

 

[F-22Raptor]

Makes me laugh when Chinese talk about competing with the Americans in space technology.
Americans had a man on the moon in the 60s, 50 years back.
While the Chinese are using Russian copied rockets in 2020.
The Russians are the true pioneers in space along with the Americans.
Then come the Europeans and the Japanese.
China is nowhere in the run. They should be humble about where they stand not grandstand. Its embarrassing for all space enthusiasts.

Ok. Best wishes.

Once SpaceX lands humans and begins colonizing Mars everything China is doing will pale in comparison. That will open a whole new era of human development.

 

[redtom]

I don't understand. Although Taiwan is a part of China, isn't it true that the Taiwanese are the thieves in this story? Chinese companies are just buying the technology that the Taiwanese "steal" .

In a business transaction, is the customer still responsible for verifying the origin of the product?

I don't think there is any need to discuss American hypocrisy.Few countries protected the Nazis for the sake of technology.No other country has preached free trade for 70 years and then interfered with free trade by mean means like the US.The first three sanctions target even American Allies.

 

[Beidou2020]

China’s behind in a lot more sectors than those you listed. Vast majority of space technology, reusable rockets, practically everything SpaceX is doing. Electric vehicles and autonomy that Tesla owns and whose moat is only growing. All of AI outside of facial recognition software and natural language processing. Quantum computing. The cloud....

Practically every technology that matters the US is ahead.

Once China has absorbed all US technology, no country will be ahead of China in technology. China can catch up faster than you can move ahead. China’s base level of technology is now very good so the catch up speed will be even faster. You’ll be behind in money and won’t be ahead in technology.

Match technology and out produce using the bigger economy. Once China catches up in technology it is game over for the US.

China catching up in technology is the ultimate fear of the US. This is why China will do everything to get US technology. If you don’t like the methods of acquiring that technology, that’s your problem bud.

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[F-22Raptor]

Once China has absorbed all US technology, no country will be ahead of China in technology. China can catch up faster than you can move ahead. China’s base level of technology is now very good so the catch up speed will be even faster. You’ll be behind in money and won’t be ahead in technology.

Match technology and out produce using the bigger economy. Once China catches up in technology it is game over for the US.

China catching up in technology is the ultimate fear of the US. This is why China will do everything to get US technology. If you don’t like the methods of acquiring that technology, that’s your problem bud.

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Total Trade (2)
- Goods Trade (2)
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Total Exports (1)
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Total Imports (2)
- Goods Imports (2)
- Services Imports (2)
Annual Inbound FDI (2)
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Machine Tool market (1)
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Truck market (1)
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Agricultural Machinery market (1)
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Beer market (1)
Consumer Electronics market (1)
PC market (1)
Smartphone market (1)
Mobile Communications market (1)
Mobile App market (1)
Telecommunication Equipment market (1)
3G market (1)
4G LTE market (1)
5G market (1)
LCD TV market (1)
Semiconductor market (1)
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DRAM market (1)
Camera market (1)
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Video Gaming market (1)
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Grocery market (1)
Ice Cream market (1)
Apparel market (1)
Footwear market (1)
Glasses market (1)
Fibre Optic market (1)
RFID market (1)
Book market (1)
Tourist outbounds (1)
Tourism spender (1)
Movie market (1)



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Household Consumer market (2)
Retail market (2)
Catering market (2)
Insurance market (2)
Pharmaceutical market (2)
Medical Device market (2)
Advertising market (2)
- Internet Advertising market (?)
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The US has the largest economy in the world, with the most advanced science and technological base, with the greatest universities and companies in the world.

China is second rate Beidou. The fact China has to steal so much in American know how just solidifies that. China doesnt have the innovative minds to match the US. China will always be playing catch up.

Just like how SpaceX is the first mover in reusable rockets and sending humans to Mars.

And how Tesla is the first mover in EVs and FSD, and scaling up to replace ICE vehicles. China has been left behind again and you dont even realize it. And here you are yapping about worthless statistics.
Thats why China is constantly eating our dust. You dont know how to dream big and execute your vision.