Taiwan's latest poll on independence or unification with mainland China

[haidian]

《联合报》昨天也公布“两岸关系年度大调查
在该报调查中，主张维持现状者仍居多数，但主张独立者已降回到24%的基本盘，支持统一的民众也达到23%，足以与独派相抗衡。同时，台湾民众对大陆政府印象欠佳的比率为51%，较去年增加6%，但台湾民众对大陆民众的好感度则从49%升到57%。

在该报调查中，主张维持现状者仍居多数，但主张独立者已降回到24%的基本盘，支持统一的民众也达到23%，足以与独派相抗衡。同时，台湾民众对大陆政府印象欠佳的比率为51%，较去年增加6%，但台湾民众对大陆民众的好感度则从49%升到57%。

Taiwan news report shows the result of the latest public poll on independence or unification.
24% support independence, 23% support unification with mainland China, the rest favors maintaining the current status.

57% hold positive view about mainland China. 51% hold negative view about the mainland Chinese government.

 

[haidian]

Now people in Taiwan are addicted to mainland Chinese TV dramas , gradually identify themselves more as Chinese than Taiwanese, softpower is at work.

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

Now people in Taiwan are addicted to mainland Chinese TV dramas , gradually identify themselves more as Chinese than Taiwanese, softpower is at work.

I guess they always considered themselves "Chinese", but don't like the current Government in the Mainland (CPC).

Now they realize the CPC is not going to go away anytime soon.

After the re-unification, I think we should allow any Taiwanese who have pro-independence beliefs to leave and never return.

 

[艹艹艹]

WE ARE ALL CHINESE

 

[ohmrlobalobayeh]

The general consensus amongst the overseas Chinese community such as Singapore's feels Taiwan is the Chinese motherland's.

Has n always been.

As can be seen when SIngapore airlines readily changed Taiwan's country name at China's request.
https://www.straitstimes.com/asia/e...irlines-scoot-to-name-island-as-part-of-china

 

[Beast]

Nobody likes war and current trend is good for both side as talented Taiwanese continue to work in mianland China and contributed alot like semicon to help China growth.

China is eager to get back Taiwan control to allow its PLAN to have direct access to deep ocean without needing to pass thru many choking points.

 

[shadows888]

I guess they always considered themselves "Chinese", but don't like the current Government in the Mainland (CPC).

Now they realize the CPC is not going to go away anytime soon.

After the re-unification, I think we should allow any Taiwanese who have pro-independence beliefs to leave and never return.

send their as to Australia, usa. their children however will make good 5th columns in the west lmao

 

[TaiShang]

《联合报》昨天也公布“两岸关系年度大调查
在该报调查中，主张维持现状者仍居多数，但主张独立者已降回到24%的基本盘，支持统一的民众也达到23%，足以与独派相抗衡。同时，台湾民众对大陆政府印象欠佳的比率为51%，较去年增加6%，但台湾民众对大陆民众的好感度则从49%升到57%。

在该报调查中，主张维持现状者仍居多数，但主张独立者已降回到24%的基本盘，支持统一的民众也达到23%，足以与独派相抗衡。同时，台湾民众对大陆政府印象欠佳的比率为51%，较去年增加6%，但台湾民众对大陆民众的好感度则从49%升到57%。

Taiwan news report shows the result of the latest public poll on independence or unification.
24% support independence, 23% support unification with mainland China, the rest favors maintaining the current status.

57% hold positive view about mainland China. 51% hold negative view about the mainland Chinese government.

This is my observation, as well, in my private conversation with people. Tsai administration did not make independence movement stronger, in fact, weakened them.

Now most people at least appreciates the importance of maintaining the status quo.

Another interesting observation is: Unlike the generations that got rich in the 70s and 80s (mostly in the West, helped the US build its Silicon Valley, and returned in the 2000s and especially after the 2008 crisis) and now the largest pro-independence group, millennium generation holds a much positive view of the Mainland and warmer toward the idea of a sort of unification.

If you talk to younger people about unification prospects, their reactions will never be strong -- unlike their parents.

As @long_ say, that's the just the natural order of things. Not surprising.

send their as to Australia, usa. their children however will make good 5th columns in the west lmao

Taiwan young generations are not that much interested in the US, unlike their parents.

 

[haidian]

A wealthy and prosperous China is the best weapon for unification.

 

[Suika]

While I usually disagree I can agree here, but with some buts..

I agree that Tsai hurt the independence sentiment since it was that sentiment that she relyed on for winning the election. Independence was not achived but yet, economic losses like with tourism was hurt. So hurt for nothing some can conclude. She's been in power for over 2 years now so disappointment has set in.

However, here are some buts...

23% is still just that, 23%. Its a gain but if one was to consider the composition of those that selected unification in the poll, it is highly likely to include those that that identify themselves as either "Chinese" or "Chinese and Taiwanese" which is about 10% of the population for both. So that sum of about 20% is probably making up the bulk of that 23%. The other 75 to 80 percent identify themselves as just "Taiwanese". They are the ones going for either "independence", "status que", or "don't know".

So even though my preference is for Taiwan indepedence, I think it is still fair to conclude even without considering my posture that 23% doesn't go as far as indicating things like addiction to Chinese drama and such. Going to 15～20 will be easy. Going from 23 to 28, 30, 35 and so on will be hard.

Afterall, probably the hardest point for the pro unification camp is Taiwan's democracy. Unification with China would mean its end.

 

[TaiShang]

The railways accident in which Taiwan relied on Japan tech also hurt Tsai pretty badly. People were looking for a scapegoat, and she is now the perfect one.

Also, new poll numbers came out (I saw on the newspaper this morning at the breakfast restaurant) regarding youth's desire to find a job in Mainland and settle down there. The figures have increased considerably.

As @haidian says, the best weapon is development and strength. Most Taiwan people feel proud of having a strong Mainland, which points to the strength and vitality of the Chinese civilization.

The pride is in blood and cultural codes, which cannot be taken away through colonization or politics.

What Mainland needs to do is simply continue to grow stronger and more confident, which will have an immense effect on the young generations who are currently mostly aimless and without much ambition. Mainland is the spark to put them in the moving.

 

[Kyle Sun]

For now, most TW people support neither independence nor unification.

 

[ohmrlobalobayeh]

While I usually disagree I can agree here, but with some buts..

I agree that Tsai hurt the independence sentiment since it was that sentiment that she relyed on for winning the election. Independence was not achived but yet, economic losses like with tourism was hurt. So hurt for nothing some can conclude. She's been in power for over 2 years now so disappointment has set in.

However, here are some buts...

23% is still just that, 23%. Its a gain but if one was to consider the composition of those that selected unification in the poll, it is highly likely to include those that that identify themselves as either "Chinese" or "Chinese and Taiwanese" which is about 10% of the population for both. So that sum of about 20% is probably making up the bulk of that 23%. The other 75 to 80 percent identify themselves as just "Taiwanese". They are the ones going for either "independence", "status que", or "don't know".

So even though my preference is for Taiwan indepedence, I think it is still fair to conclude even without considering my posture that 23% doesn't go as far as indicating things like addiction to Chinese drama and such. Going to 15～20 will be easy. Going from 23 to 28, 30, 35 and so on will be hard.

Afterall, probably the hardest point for the pro unification camp is Taiwan's democracy. Unification with China would mean its end.

Ya my preference is for Ryukyu independance too, or join China.

Ryukyu people have culturally n historically more ties with China than they do with the central goverment in Japan

 

[dy1022]

琉球独立。

 

[waz]

In time Taiwan will join China, time is on China's side, and with the current generations identifying more with the mainland people, as opposed to a separate people, it's a forgone conclusion.