Taiwan fisherman shot dead by Filipino military

[p3avi8tor69]

So your idea of helping is trolling that makes prefect sense and other thing for you would your trolling stop it? would help build up my countries defense? I here you said your military man you should know things like this takes time? hahaha that's why your loser! loser i think you should go back play your games on your computer you n000b! real warfare is different from your stupid games it takes time and thinking you cant re-spawn back after your dead you fool take your bag of cheap chips and pig out while playing your games the adults are talking

As usual you are evading the question. Sorry to disappoint you but I had a career in the navy and it involved sitting in the left seat.

Judging from your childish post you are still in high school. Stay in school kid and value education instead of gangbanging.

So what's the next island you are going to loose Cebu?

 

[p3avi8tor69]

On the other hand, I have to say that Philippine probably has the most retarded foreign policy in southeast Asia judging by its recent activities. They could have played the safer weak role as 'being bullied', yet they chose to act recklessly and brutally on a possible ally. This gives China the right to sort out the Filipino bullies and bandits, and Taiwan won't be against this anymore.

The Taiwanese according to the Pinoy did try to ram their vessel and based on past behaviors I am inclined to believe the Pinoy version. It is pretty evident the Taiwanese media is hyping this crap up and presenting misleading and biased information such as knowingly deleting the northern islands of the Philippines. Give credit where it is due.

But yeah Philippines does have a very retarded FP but in this case I think they were in the right. Trigger happy mothers.....

 

[ChinaToday]

The Taiwanese according to the Pinoy did try to ram their vessel and based on past behaviors I am inclined to believe the Pinoy version. It is pretty evident the Taiwanese media is hyping this crap up and presenting misleading and biased information such as knowingly deleting the northern islands of the Philippines. Give credit where it is due.

But yeah Philippines does have a very retarded FP but in this case I think they were in the right. Trigger happy mothers.....

oh really? if the pinoy version is so credible how come they denied it at first

Philippine Navy denies Taiwan shooting

The Philippine Navy on Friday denied allegations that its forces had shot dead a crewman of a Taiwan fishing vessel, saying none of its ships were in the area at the time of the apparent incident.

MANILA: The Philippine Navy on Friday denied allegations that its forces had shot dead a crewman of a Taiwan fishing vessel, saying none of its ships were in the area at the time of the apparent incident.

"The Philippine Navy denies any involvement in... an incident where a Taiwanese fisherman was reportedly shot and the wound led to his death," the statement said.

The naval commander in the area said his ships were in port or very close to the Philippine coast at the time, the statement added.

A spokesman for the Philippine coast guard, which is a separate service from the Philippine Navy, could not be contacted for comment.

Asked about the report, Philippine Foreign Secretary Albert del Rosario said: "We cannot confirm it. We will check that".

Taiwan's foreign ministry said that a Taiwanese fishing vessel carrying three Taiwanese and one Indonesian crewman was fired upon early Thursday by a "Philippine government boat".

The incident, some 164 nautical miles off the southernmost tip of Taiwan, left one of the Taiwan crewmen dead.

The ministry did not specify what type of government boat allegedly fired upon the vessel, while Taiwan's coast guard said it was trying to verify reports that it was a Philippine Navy vessel.

The Philippines and Taiwan, along with Brunei, China and Malaysia, have conflicting claims to parts of the South China Sea.

China and Taiwan have been ruled separately since the end of a civil war in 1949, although Beijing claims the island. The Philippines has no diplomatic ties with Taiwan but maintains economic and cultural links.

Philippine Navy denies Taiwan shooting - Channel NewsAsia

Taiwan asks Philippine response to fisherman killing in 72 hours

TAIPEI, May 12 (Xinhua) -- Taiwan's leader Ma Ying-jeou vowed to give the Philippines 72 hours to respond to demands regarding the shooting death of a Taiwanese fisherman at sea, or Taiwan will take actions to retaliate.

Ma demanded the Philippines to apologize, clarify the truth and punish people held responsible, offer compensation for the death and the damage to the fishing boat, and start negotiations with Taiwan on a fishery agreement as soon as possible, according to a statement posted on the website of Taiwanese authority.

"If the Philippine government does not make a positive response within 72 hours," Taiwan will freeze on all applications of Philippine laborers, recall its representative to the Philippines and ask the representative of the Philippines in Taipei to leave, the statement said.

The shooting happened on Thursday morning 164 nautical miles southeast of the southernmost tip of Taiwan, according to the island's coast guard authority.

The victim was identified as Hung Shih-Cheng, 65, one of four crew members of the Taiwanese fishing vessel Guang Ta Hsin 28. Hung's body was taken back to Taiwan early Saturday morning.

http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/china/2013-05/12/c_124697230.htm

 

[Bob Ong]

oh really? if the pinoy version is so credible how come they denied it at first

Philippine Navy denies Taiwan shooting

The Philippine Navy on Friday denied allegations that its forces had shot dead a crewman of a Taiwan fishing vessel, saying none of its ships were in the area at the time of the apparent incident.

MANILA: The Philippine Navy on Friday denied allegations that its forces had shot dead a crewman of a Taiwan fishing vessel, saying none of its ships were in the area at the time of the apparent incident.

"The Philippine Navy denies any involvement in... an incident where a Taiwanese fisherman was reportedly shot and the wound led to his death," the statement said.

The naval commander in the area said his ships were in port or very close to the Philippine coast at the time, the statement added.

A spokesman for the Philippine coast guard, which is a separate service from the Philippine Navy, could not be contacted for comment.

Asked about the report, Philippine Foreign Secretary Albert del Rosario said: "We cannot confirm it. We will check that".

Taiwan's foreign ministry said that a Taiwanese fishing vessel carrying three Taiwanese and one Indonesian crewman was fired upon early Thursday by a "Philippine government boat".

The incident, some 164 nautical miles off the southernmost tip of Taiwan, left one of the Taiwan crewmen dead.

The ministry did not specify what type of government boat allegedly fired upon the vessel, while Taiwan's coast guard said it was trying to verify reports that it was a Philippine Navy vessel.

The Philippines and Taiwan, along with Brunei, China and Malaysia, have conflicting claims to parts of the South China Sea.

China and Taiwan have been ruled separately since the end of a civil war in 1949, although Beijing claims the island. The Philippines has no diplomatic ties with Taiwan but maintains economic and cultural links.

Philippine Navy denies Taiwan shooting - Channel NewsAsia

Taiwan asks Philippine response to fisherman killing in 72 hours

TAIPEI, May 12 (Xinhua) -- Taiwan's leader Ma Ying-jeou vowed to give the Philippines 72 hours to respond to demands regarding the shooting death of a Taiwanese fisherman at sea, or Taiwan will take actions to retaliate.

Ma demanded the Philippines to apologize, clarify the truth and punish people held responsible, offer compensation for the death and the damage to the fishing boat, and start negotiations with Taiwan on a fishery agreement as soon as possible, according to a statement posted on the website of Taiwanese authority.

"If the Philippine government does not make a positive response within 72 hours," Taiwan will freeze on all applications of Philippine laborers, recall its representative to the Philippines and ask the representative of the Philippines in Taipei to leave, the statement said.

The shooting happened on Thursday morning 164 nautical miles southeast of the southernmost tip of Taiwan, according to the island's coast guard authority.

The victim was identified as Hung Shih-Cheng, 65, one of four crew members of the Taiwanese fishing vessel Guang Ta Hsin 28. Hung's body was taken back to Taiwan early Saturday morning.

Taiwan asks Philippine response to fisherman killing in 72 hours - Xinhua | English.news.cn

Philippine Coast Guard has a separate service from the Philippine Navy okay?

Anyway heres the follow-up report


Philippines admits to shooting at Taiwan boat

MANILA: The Philippines admitted Friday that its coastguard fired at a Taiwanese fishing boat in an incident that authorities in Taipei said left a crewman dead and triggered widespread outrage on the island.

Taiwanese President Ma Ying-jeou demanded that the Philippines apologise for Thursday's shooting, which the Taiwanese government said killed a 65-year-old fisherman and badly damaged the vessel.

But Philippine coastguard spokesman Commander Armand Balilo said the incident took place in Philippine waters and the Filipino personnel had been properly carrying out their duties to stop illegal fishing.

"If somebody died, they deserve our sympathy but not an apology," Balilo told reporters.

Balilo said the incident happened just north of the main Philippine island of Luzon in the Balintang channel, which is part of the Philippines' territory and not claimed by any other country or Taiwan.

"This is part of Philippine waters," he said.

Balilo said the 30-metre (100-foot) coastguard vessel initially saw two fishing vessels and tried to approach them. He said the coastguard crew fired at the smaller of the two vessels after it tried to ram the Filipino boat.

"They fired at the machinery to disable it. They were able to disable the vessel although they were not aware at the time that somebody had been hit," he said.

Balilo said the coastguard quickly left the area after it saw a third vessel, "a big white ship", come into view.

"Our people felt threatened so they left the area," he said.

In Taipei, Ma insisted the Philippine side was at fault.

"We demand the Philippines investigate and clarify the truth, to apologise, apprehend the killer and compensate," he told reporters.

Taiwanese Foreign Minister David Lin also said he was "very angry".

The incident dominated Taiwanese media, which strongly condemned the Filipinos and carried reports from the boat's captain insisting he did not cross over into Philippine waters.

"Barbaric Philippine vessel fired at our fishing boat, seasoned fisherman shot dead," read the headline of a front-page story in the Taipei-based China Times newspaper.

Hung Yu-chih, the captain of the boat who is also the dead man's son, told the China Times that Philippine gunmen fired several shots at them.

He said one of the shots hit the fuel tank of the vessel, which had only four people on board.

Two Taiwanese fishing boats came to Hung's rescue after he called for help, and towed the boat back to a port in southern Taiwan.

In 2006, a Taiwanese fishing boat skipper was shot dead off the northern Philippines. Taipei protested then to the Philippines over what it said was the improper use of weapons.

Taiwan has ruled itself since 1949, but China still considers the island part of its territory. The Philippines, like most countries, officially recognises China over Taiwan but maintains trade ties with the island.

The incident comes at a time of heightened tensions around the region over rival claims to the nearby South China Sea.

China, the Philippines, Taiwan, Vietnam, Malaysia and Brunei all have competing claims to parts of the sea.

China's increasingly aggressive tactics to assert its authority over the waters in recent years have raised alarm among the rival claimants. China said on Tuesday it had sent one of its largest fishing fleets into the sea.

- AFP/ac

Philippines admits to shooting at Taiwan boat - Channel NewsAsia

 

[p3avi8tor69]

oh really? if the pinoy version is so credible how come they denied it at first

Because their military is still in the 1960's technology wise, hence they were clueless. They had to wait for their boats to dock and get a report. Pinoy government also has a habit of yakking a lot instead of thinking first.

 

[Fsjal]

On the other hand, I have to say that Philippine probably has the most retarded foreign policy in southeast Asia judging by its recent activities. They could have played the safer weak role as 'being bullied', yet they chose to act recklessly and brutally on a possible ally. This gives China the right to sort out the Filipino bullies and bandits, and Taiwan won't be against this anymore.

Aquino probably wants to consolidate his power. Anyway, corruption has changed the Philippines since '86

oh really? if the pinoy version is so credible how come they denied it at first

Philippine Navy denies Taiwan shooting

The Philippine Navy on Friday denied allegations that its forces had shot dead a crewman of a Taiwan fishing vessel, saying none of its ships were in the area at the time of the apparent incident.

MANILA: The Philippine Navy on Friday denied allegations that its forces had shot dead a crewman of a Taiwan fishing vessel, saying none of its ships were in the area at the time of the apparent incident.

"The Philippine Navy denies any involvement in... an incident where a Taiwanese fisherman was reportedly shot and the wound led to his death," the statement said.

The naval commander in the area said his ships were in port or very close to the Philippine coast at the time, the statement added.

A spokesman for the Philippine coast guard, which is a separate service from the Philippine Navy, could not be contacted for comment.

Asked about the report, Philippine Foreign Secretary Albert del Rosario said: "We cannot confirm it. We will check that".

Taiwan's foreign ministry said that a Taiwanese fishing vessel carrying three Taiwanese and one Indonesian crewman was fired upon early Thursday by a "Philippine government boat".

The incident, some 164 nautical miles off the southernmost tip of Taiwan, left one of the Taiwan crewmen dead.

The ministry did not specify what type of government boat allegedly fired upon the vessel, while Taiwan's coast guard said it was trying to verify reports that it was a Philippine Navy vessel.

The Philippines and Taiwan, along with Brunei, China and Malaysia, have conflicting claims to parts of the South China Sea.

China and Taiwan have been ruled separately since the end of a civil war in 1949, although Beijing claims the island. The Philippines has no diplomatic ties with Taiwan but maintains economic and cultural links.

Philippine Navy denies Taiwan shooting - Channel NewsAsia

Taiwan asks Philippine response to fisherman killing in 72 hours

TAIPEI, May 12 (Xinhua) -- Taiwan's leader Ma Ying-jeou vowed to give the Philippines 72 hours to respond to demands regarding the shooting death of a Taiwanese fisherman at sea, or Taiwan will take actions to retaliate.

Ma demanded the Philippines to apologize, clarify the truth and punish people held responsible, offer compensation for the death and the damage to the fishing boat, and start negotiations with Taiwan on a fishery agreement as soon as possible, according to a statement posted on the website of Taiwanese authority.

"If the Philippine government does not make a positive response within 72 hours," Taiwan will freeze on all applications of Philippine laborers, recall its representative to the Philippines and ask the representative of the Philippines in Taipei to leave, the statement said.

The shooting happened on Thursday morning 164 nautical miles southeast of the southernmost tip of Taiwan, according to the island's coast guard authority.

The victim was identified as Hung Shih-Cheng, 65, one of four crew members of the Taiwanese fishing vessel Guang Ta Hsin 28. Hung's body was taken back to Taiwan early Saturday morning.

http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/china/2013-05/12/c_124697230.htm

Misleading title. Anyway, blame the Phil. Coastguard

 

[jhungary]

I will say this here, again, blaming anyone in this event at this early stage is UNWISE

I don't know how things handle in Taiwan, China or Philippine. Unless you are there at either ship, YOU DO NOT HAVE THE WHOLE PICTURE. All information above is just hearsay, member please reserve your thought until a clear report come out.
Or be ready to put your feet down your throat.

It's pretty stupid to blindly blame the PCG or Taiwanese Trawler just because you chest thump your country.

 

[huskie]

I was already being polite when I said the Filipino acted recklessly and brutally. There was absolutely no necessity of firing dozens of shots at a fishing boat under non-emergency circumstances, especially when this fishing boat comes from a non-hostile neighbor with similar hostility toward mainland China. Whatever the fishing boat did (no one knows for sure with any evidence), a warning shot already drove it away, and the Filipino coastguard pouring bullets on it even after one hour of chase is simply cold blooded murder. And whether the fishing boat crossed line at the beginning does not matter anymore, the Filipinos have successfully ruined their image as the weak kid bullied by others. They chose to be the crazy kid shooting someone else on the campus. They lost big time in this case.

The Taiwanese according to the Pinoy did try to ram their vessel and based on past behaviors I am inclined to believe the Pinoy version. It is pretty evident the Taiwanese media is hyping this crap up and presenting misleading and biased information such as knowingly deleting the northern islands of the Philippines. Give credit where it is due.

But yeah Philippines does have a very retarded FP but in this case I think they were in the right. Trigger happy mothers.....

 

[Skyried]

Philippines admits to shooting at Taiwan boat

1. Taiwan tried to hide the Batanes province from their map.

2. Instead of saying they were shot at by a 30meter CG vessel, they were attacked by a military warship.

3. They've said that it happens in 164miles in southernmost part of their country but not inside Philippine waters.

This is another classic example of how Chinese falsely portray themselves as victims.

Quick question, are you talking about the Taiwanese or the Chinese, because you seem to switch mid way through your points. Might I also point out that your cited source image uses Simplified characters rather than what we Taiwanese use - which is Traditional. I suggest re-checking your sources before spouting them off as "Taiwan Taiwan tried to hide the Batanes province from their map."

 

[longyi]

The Taiwan fishing boat Kuang Ta Hsing No. 28 (廣大興28&#34399 supposedly rammed the PCG boat:

No marks on the bow that shows any ramming actions. Not much signs of the 52 bullet holes either so the holes must be on the stern of the boat which means it was running away when she was shot. Clearly the PCG didn't shoot out of self defense but rather cold blooded murder by shooting from behind.

 

[zxmint]

This incident just showed how weak Ma is. Ma is not strong enough to be a leader. He's just a whimpy guy who cannot decide anything big!!!

First Ma sells his soul to the Japanese with the fishing agreement around dioyu island, then now he simply uses his mouth to condemn his incident?? Where's the counter measurements? Oh yea, I forgot, Ma is a peaceful person, just like how Qing dynasty was peaceful. Darn it!

All my rage!!

Ma requests Philippines to sign fishing agreement this time too, by threatening to stop handing out visas to Philippines maids...What is he thinking about?

 

[Bob Ong]

BLUE color is UNDISPUTED EEZ
GREEN color is the DISPUTED area.


TAIWAN EEZ

PHILIPPINE EEZ

It’s always the Chinese or Taiwanese fishermen poaching and causing all these problems in other countries.

 

[zxmint]

"If somebody died, they deserve our sympathy but not an apology"
I really can't stop laughing when I hear this word. What do Filipinos think they are? US? Every Chinese people remember what US government said when they bombed Chinese embassy in Yugoslavia. But nowadays, who dare do that again? Just have try. Pride always come from power,

BLUE color is UNDISPUTED EEZ
GREEN color is the DISPUTED area.


TAIWAN EEZ

PHILIPPINE EEZ

It’s always the Chinese or Taiwanese fishermen poaching and causing all these problems in other countries.

Killers have no rights to blame others. Under any circumstances you cannot kill unarmed fishermen who can never have threats to armed warships, not to say this event happened in public sea area. Shame on you.

 

[Bob Ong]

"If somebody died, they deserve our sympathy but not an apology"
I really can't stop laughing when I hear this word. What do Filipinos think they are? US? Every Chinese people remember what US government said when they bombed Chinese embassy in Yugoslavia. But nowadays, who dare do that again? Just have try. Pride always come from power,



Killers have no rights to blame others. Under any circumstances you cannot kill unarmed fishermen who can never have threats to armed warships, not to say this event happened in public sea area. Shame on you.

Loss of life is regrettable, but these Taiwanese vessels provoked our men to fire on them when they try to ram the coast guard vessel. What would they expect, that our coast guard will just look, let it happen and then their ship sink and all of them drown to death or die from the impact? If it’s them they will fire on any vessels trying to ram their ship too. Sadly, these Taiwanese seems to be like their Chinese counterpart that seems to be unable to comprehend what is right from wrong.

 

[zxmint]

I will say this here, again, blaming anyone in this event at this early stage is UNWISE

I don't know how things handle in Taiwan, China or Philippine. Unless you are there at either ship, YOU DO NOT HAVE THE WHOLE PICTURE. All information above is just hearsay, member please reserve your thought until a clear report come out.
Or be ready to put your feet down your throat.

It's pretty stupid to blindly blame the PCG or Taiwanese Trawler just because you chest thump your country.

It is just like nothing happens for Americans or Europeans but it does not mean all information are just hearsay. People down out there. It won't take you too much time to search about this event online anyway.